Sciatica problem. Is there a fix for it? Or am I just screwed?

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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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OK, I am sure this will sound odd, I know I looked at my midwife funny at first. When I was pregnant the first time, I had sciatica. My midwife suggested that I sit on a tennis ball for immediate relief. As other posters mentioned deep tissue massage or acupressure helps, and the tennis ball provides a firm but giving surface to be able to massage it yourself. It worked great for me. It is an immediate relief. I don't know about the long term issues, as I got lucky and it only affected me during my pregnancies, but it really did work. It's a pretty cheap and convenient fix too.

Good Luck, and I hope you feel better.




posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex

I've read that Truckers, Cops and Pregnant women often have this problem. After a car accident 15 years back, plus ten years of jumping out of airplanes, with combat gear, and wearing all that stuff for thirty years, I guess I should have seen this coming.



I feel your pain, literally! I'm 6 mths pregnant and suffer from this. I have always had some sciatic problems but being pregnant and a head on car accident last year have not helped matters. I can't walk very far without it giving me intense pain, it sucks because just going to the store could be a problem and the further along I get the more of a problem it is becoming.

I am going to do acupuncture. I have read in various baby books and online that it is suppose to be really helpful for sciatica problems. I had a few friends who did it and swear by it vs going to a chiropractor, something i will not do. I haven't had an MRI due to no insurance and when I was using my insurance from the accident they gave me the run around and used up all my funds which left me with nothing to get the MRI done. The one thing I complained about after the accident they ignored every time and even now I feel like my own obgyn is giving me the run around when I ask for help as well. People who don't suffer from this have no idea how bad it can be and how it can make you immobile!

Hope you find a remedy!! I know how you feel. When I have my acupuncture I'll let you know how it works out for me!




posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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I had both a CAT and a MRI. Three compressed discs. OUCH! (I say that lightly).

Are you talking about fusing the vertabrae?

I have a friend who had that done and he recommends it, though my Mom had it done as well, and she recommends caution as it did not work for her over time.

Yes.
I have 4 cervical vertabrae fused. It was done in two separate operations. I have one thoracic disc that can't be operated on because it lies behind my heart and lungs.
Before I had my second fusion, I was unable to raise my right arm above shoulder level. I had immediate relief after both operations.

ETA: Research your doctor before you commit to surgery. I would recommend a neck and spine specialist.
I had very good results with my surgery and I suffered for ten years before I finally had a doctor say, 'You need to see a specialist'.
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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Hey man, not good!

For months i thought that i had Sciatica. Turned out to be Piriformis Syndrome
Piriformis Syndrome

Hurts like hell and does affect my back also so maybe thats why it was thought to be Sciatica at first.

Hope you get sorted out man!



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:44 PM
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Thanks M! I would appreciate if you let me know how it goes. As it is, that’ll be the last resort before I go the injection/surgery route.

It's always goos to learn from others experiances.

I love your recipes. You’ve been quite the asset to my cookbook.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by CeltAngel

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by butcherguy
 


I had both a CAT and a MRI. Three compressed discs. OUCH! (I say that lightly).



For compressed discs, is there a reason you would NOT see a chiropractor? I had 4 compressed discs at the bottom of my spine that were pointing the wrong way (took a nasty spill a few years earlier). It took a couple weeks, but the adjustments, combined with time on the decompression table, fixed me up with no need to drugs, surgery, etc.


May I ask you a question? (kinda stupid as I'm asking permission to ask a question and will then just ask anyway!)

I have always been warned that even if you got an adjustment from a chiropractor and it helped, you would have to continually go for regular adjustments or the problem would come back. Is this true in your experience?

I have a mild lower back issue and feel like I could use an adjustment, but I don't want to have to go all the time. My back issue always goes away within a few days or a week after aggravation, but it always tends to become aggravated easily. I just feel like it's not bad enough to do anything like spinal decompression, but I'm also curious if one session with a chiro might help.

Sorry for rambling--I've been wondering about this for a long time but have never had the opportunity to ask someone who might be informed!



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 06:48 PM
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No not a CT scan. An MRI scan. I am a neuroradiologist, and just spent all

day today reading spine scans for discs, tumors, and the like.

Ive also had "sciatica" (radiculopathy technically) of the lumbar and cervical spine!

Advice: Small to medium disc herniations (which press on nearby nerves

irritating them to cause pain and numbness, "sciatica" named after the most

commonly affected greater sciatic nerveat L4-5) almost INVARIABLY GET BETTER!

Tincture of time. If in 3 months it doesnt get better and ruins your sleep, job,

and life in general - then pursue a surgeon's advice. Even then if you are NOT still

on percocet, consider waiting another 2-3 months if you can to avoid surgery.

Surgeon's skill vary widely institution to institution - even within the same. I would only

go to 1 of our 3 spine surgeons if that tells you something, and doctors telling patients

who not to see is very frowned upon. So do your homework before the 1st visit, NEVER

have someone book you an appt with someone you don't know a thing about.

Finally, you should know a famous swedish study of thousands of patients in the late 90's

put half the patients into medical treatment (rest, NSAID's, PT) and the other half had

discectomy (surgery). Virtually ALL patients were better at one year, from both groups. The

surgically treated group got better faster.

From my experience, only the very large disc herniations (focal protrusion, synonymous) and

extrusions or free fragments may not get better with time. But i just saw a 7/10 in size

disc extrusion in a 70 year old man get completely RESORBED by his body's own immune

system in the year's time between his 2 mri scans, today. That was cool.

If $ is a problem, negotiate with a local MRI center and your doctor for reduced fees.

MRI's of the low back get reimbursed anywhere from $300-$1100 depending on the region and

local contracts. Many centers cash cost can be negotiated down to even $500-700 if you play

your cards politely and persistently (if you don't have insurance that is).

It takes me 5 minutes to look at a scan. Those center owners

own a gold mine (I don't own a machine, shucks)

Peace out and good luck!

(And don't be lifting heavy things or jumping outta airplanes, rest and follow the PT advice).

PS- i've had cervical (neck) accupuncture. Accupuncture works , in the right hands, its in our

western medical literature too....
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
I must thank everybody for their advice.

You all have pointed me in different directions a hell of a lot better than google. I had a feeling that the members of ATS would pull through.
Nothing like personal experiance.

I know that it's my decision as to what route I take. But I still thank you from the bottom off my heart.

Good luck to all and me.


TDawgRex - I read most of the posts on your thread here and I did not notice anyone responding with the solution that helped cure me of my sciatica problem 10 years ago. I woke up one morning to that familiar pain in the butt and also a numb foot and lower leg. The best way to describe the leg pain? A combination of a leg cramp and charlie horse that never subsides. I suffered from frequent lower back spasms for years prior to that, especially playing my favorite sport volleyball. So, when this hit, I never thought I'd even walk right again let alone play VB.

After a visit to the ER for MRI, they said it was bursitis and gave me painkillers. Well - long story short, I finally went to 3 different chiropractors that told me I had a curve in my spine which was causing a tilted lumbar vertebrae - but the adjustments didn't work too well. At the advice of a friend, I gave a well-respected chiropractor one last shot - he was Number 4. Within 1 minute of visiting him, he told me the problem - my right leg was 1/2 inch shorter, and a heel lift would solve the pain. Within 1 day after getting the lift, my pain was 100% gone and has been for 10 years. I suffered 3 months non-stop with the pain, and he told me that the other chiro-crackers were adjusting me opposite of the way I needed. He told me that most people have anatomically short legs on either side, AKA no one's perfect...mine was a little more than usual.

so, just a thought - have a chiropractor or someone measure the leg length, and it might be a solution.

Best of luck to you my friend - I feel your pain.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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CBD



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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I did do this also. Yuniorsan's advice is quite correct. Getting acupuncture is very likely to make a big difference. I went twice a week for a while then tapered my visits to once a week, then once every two weeks and now I don't go at all and normally manage it myself. My guess is that it will help stop the inflammation in the nerve which is needed to get it under control but others would know more about that than I do. The only problem is if you don't have heath insurance that covers it, it can be expensive. However, it is still a lot less costly than surgery.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by ObservingYou

BUILD UP YOU CORE MUSCLES and the rest will follow


I highly agree with this statement. This is what I have seen work for most ex-sciatica sufferers.
Also have heard wonderful things with QiGong.

Good luck!



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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I had a pinched sciatica as part of a leg injury I sustained about a decade ago. It's a really really nasty thing my friend and I know it sucks.

I had to get surgery. I found nothing for relief other than things I'm not able to mention here
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~Tenth



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by yadda333

Originally posted by CeltAngel

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by butcherguy
 


I had both a CAT and a MRI. Three compressed discs. OUCH! (I say that lightly).



For compressed discs, is there a reason you would NOT see a chiropractor? I had 4 compressed discs at the bottom of my spine that were pointing the wrong way (took a nasty spill a few years earlier). It took a couple weeks, but the adjustments, combined with time on the decompression table, fixed me up with no need to drugs, surgery, etc.


May I ask you a question? (kinda stupid as I'm asking permission to ask a question and will then just ask anyway!)

I have always been warned that even if you got an adjustment from a chiropractor and it helped, you would have to continually go for regular adjustments or the problem would come back. Is this true in your experience?

I have a mild lower back issue and feel like I could use an adjustment, but I don't want to have to go all the time. My back issue always goes away within a few days or a week after aggravation, but it always tends to become aggravated easily. I just feel like it's not bad enough to do anything like spinal decompression, but I'm also curious if one session with a chiro might help.

Sorry for rambling--I've been wondering about this for a long time but have never had the opportunity to ask someone who might be informed!



Going to a chiropractor is like going to the dentist. If you haven't been taking care of your teeth, the dentist isn't going to be able to fix you in one visit, but given time and your participation, he can put you right again. Once you spend all of that time and money on fixing your teeth, you are going to be more likely to take good care of them, and that includes regular dental visits. You won't spend 3k on fixing your teeth then go home and avoid toothpaste.


If you go and see a chiropractor, you will have your problem corrected and corrected quickly. Does that mean you won't ever have a flare again? No.. That depends on you. If you keep doing the things that caused the instability in the first place, there is a very good chance that it will return at some point. However, if you get the problem corrected, follow through with the rehab excercises they prescribe, wear orthotics if needed, and get a periodic adjustment to maintain your spinal mobility -then you can likely avoid a future flare. Chiropractic care does not result in creating patients for life. Probably 70 % of the people that utilize chiropractic, do so for a particular complaint, and the doctor might never see them again for years. 30% realize that they feel much better with periodic adjustments and make a point of getting a tune up every month r two.

Chiropractors are experts of the nervous system, each set of spinal nerves exits along a specific point (spinal segment). The sciatic nerve is about the thickness of your thumb, and sciatic pain is triggered by aberrant pressure on the lower lumbar nerves. As far as adjustments go, the lumbar ones are easy. Usually the only people that will ever tell you to not visit a chiropractor, haven't visited one themself, or come from a position of professional competition or ignorance.

If you poll patients, chiropractic patients consistantly report one of the highest satisfaction rates with their care (amongst the healthcare professions). Chiropractors have amongst the lowest rates for malpractice insurance. If you are living in pain, you are doing yourself a disservice by not getting a chiropractic evaluation. We love to see sciatic patients in our offices, it is easy for us to fix and it is wonderful to see someone leave your office practically dancing after they walked in all antalgic and miserable.

I am a chiropractor, and in 10 years, I have rarely seen a sciatic patient that wasn't better at 6 weeks, most considerably sooner.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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I would try.. getting on the ground in a sit-up mode, put your side that hurts foot(ankle) to the knee of your other leg, then use your hands to reach the ankle of the opposite foot like try to lock your hands around it, lastly in that position in mind pull into like almost a ball.

Also, you can stand while having one foot crossed over like a ballerina but not on your tip toes and just bend over to touch your toes.

I used to have pain doing this, the stretches helped. I also, drank four drops of oreganol oil mixed. Specifically,
"Oil of Oreganol, Oreganol Mediterranean Source Wilde Handpicked P73, North American Herb & Spice" Mixed with, "Simply Apple" approximately at 8oz and up. At four hours a day for a few days till the pain would subside.

Location I get that oil from.

Most people opt for surgery, but this helped me. This is preventable with stretching most likely. Hope that helps before you go spending thousands of dollars for nothing.
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Oh, and I haven't got this pain again since.
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 10:58 PM
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well, i have had compressed discs at L3-4 for more than 20 years.

cortizone did help for about 2-4 months.

not much else has including accupuncture.. accupressure, tai chi and other natural therapies.

i take copious amounts of pain pills instead. they arent perfect, but they ease most of the pain, and keep me high enough not to notice the rest.

good luck finding your own solution.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh
CBD


What is CBD? Chronic Back disorder?

Or a treatment? Or is it a reference to that which we cannot discuss? If so, those days are thirty years in the past for me.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:37 PM
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TDawg,

Just to get a baseline; how easy is it for you to touch your toes without bending your knees? Can you bend over standing up and tie your shoes? I don't mean to put you out, I am just trying to get an idea of what kind of range of motion you are capable of.

Thanks.




posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:46 PM
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Sorry to hear about your back problems OP. I am in a similar position to you it seems...

I have had back problems L5/S1 for about 20 years now. Last year my band went touring in Europe and being a drummer, I had to lug my gear around every night and set up and tear down (and play of course!) and about a week or so into the tour I noticed that my right knee area was numb. I thought that's pretty weird and when it didn't go away by the next day I was worried. It has now been numb since July of last year.

Along with the constant numbness, i've had pains in that area like someone jabbed me with a heated knife and other sorts of lovely pains - mainly on the right side but some on the left.

When I came back from Europe, I told my chiro and he did lots of different adjustments and also then put me on a disc decompression table which only really gave me a little bit of relief. The numbness is still there so I went to an orthopaedic surgeon who took a stack of my cash and spent 1 minute looking at my MRI. His verdict...lose weight. He was a turd. I was really hoping for a better diagnosis than that but that was it. I'm going to go and see another specialist to get a second opinion. In the meantime, i'm doing a pretty good amount of gym (including core stuff) and also some Bikram Yoga classes. Oh and i've quit going to the chiro for now too...was spending too much money there and just wasn't seeing the results he promised.

I hope you find an answer as I can really sympathesize. It sucks.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:53 PM
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I have to bend my knees to touch my toes. I use the golf ball method to pick stuff up off the floor when I do drop something as well.

The Physical therapist says my upper body range of motion is ok though. It wasn't earlier, so there is a slow improvement.

I have a appt. with a massage therapist thursday and will be going down the list of recommendations as I go if I see no improvement.

Thanks everybody!



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:55 PM
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My physical therapist told to hold off on the gym for a bit longer. Has the Bikram Yoga worked for you so far? I've read that some yoga techniques have actually been injuring males. (they probably try stretching to far IMO)





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