1. There are NO kings or sultans in the democratic republic of Philippines. Everyone is a citizen, abiding by the Philippines Constitution.

Anyone who claims otherwise is only a seccessionist or traitor, and the Philippine govt MUST deal with them accordingly, because if the govt fails, its own legitimacy to rule will end and chaos reign instead.

The last king of the Sulu Sultanate ceded all rights to Spain by a peace treaty in 1878 and upheld by International Court of Justice in 2003. With Philippine self determination and indepence, all past terrorities held by colonial powers was returned back to to the Free Philippine People.

Sabah, a part of its territory, was ceded by the last sulu sultan for pepertuity to a british company in 1878 for annual cessation payments of $1700. The company in turn was turned over to the British govt in full - its profits and debts, lock,stock and barrel. And when England gave full indepence to Malaysia, Sabah was included, even the cessation payments which Malaysia had never failed to pay up.


2. Ever since 1878, the descendents of the Sulu Sultanate had done NOTHING for its own people, let alone its own people in Sabah. There were no courts, no security, no education, no healthcare, no social expenditure, NOTHING to the people. $1700 back in 1878 was a HUGE sum, but only the descendents enjoyed it for themselves.

They had done NOTHING for the ex people of the dead sultanate, FAILED THEM and had absolve ALL RESPONSIBILITY to them. Thus Sabahans owe them NOTHING.


3. The presence of Philippine militants in Sabah IS AN ACT OF WAR upon a sovereign nation, as they are armed and with intentions to kill and had already started slaughtering innocent malaysians, for the purpose to claim terroritory.

If the Philippine Govt refuses to act DECISELY upon those militants, it only proves that they are complicit in this ACT OF WAR upon Malaysian territory.


4. When a landlord cede or leases a house at $1700 a year FOREVER, and signed upon the documents, the contract STANDS.

Today, the descendants of the sulu not only seek to increase the price to Billions of dollars to dishonor the contract, they even intend to backed it up with VIOLENCE if they do not get what they want. This is against EVERY contractual law on Earth, if not International Rule of Law.


5. Thus, the Malaysian govt have EVERY right to determine the level of response to those armed and dangerous militant invasion inorder to protect its own citizens and defend the nation. There is NO such thing as proportionate response in the violent act of war uncalled for by those militants whom had already proven they are ready to kill and had killed.


6. The militants will get no support and if they refused to lay down their arms, instead seek for death, then both the Malaysian and Philippine govt MUST grant their request, including to the leader descendant calling out for slaughter - DEATH. Better them whom sought for violence than to have many more innocents caught up in between as it drags on.


7. Can the insignificant nobody me claim today to be the descendant of Julius Ceasar and his wife Cleopatra, Ruler of Egypt, and thus lay claim to roman estates throughout his conquest as well as Cleopatra's Egypt or perhaps 10 billion dollars a year as idemity? I am sure I can find a few simple minded suicide bombers to lay seige upon national capitals to make them bow to my demands.

BUT that would only be GRAND LARCENY of EPIC HISTORIC PROPORTIONS, modern daylight robbery. And that's what this whole issue by the sulu descendants is all about - GRAND LARCENY.

May his supporters wake up and realizes that they are only fighting and killing and dying for the sulu descendants greed. He has no intention or the capability to rule the land effectively, NOR will he ever gain back that land. Sabahans will NEVER bow to this absentee landlord and civil war will only ensue.

All the descendants and their cronies want is MONEY. Billions of it. They care nothing about blood spilt, afterall, its others and innocent others blood, not theirs.

May they and their supporters be brought to justice before more precious human lives are lost.

That sounds interesting and I am sure there is a lot of truth to it. I don't know much about that country at all though and it sounds like I am hearing one side of the story in your OP. I think it has a lot of truth to it though. To try to fix injustices in other countries is almost impossible for us, we have problems trying to fix some similar injustices here in America. If America's government did go out and try to help fix this, it would probably get worse

To be clear, I was obviously aware of the current situation in Borneo, only, I had no idea of the historical overtones involved... the mainstream media is focusing on the upcoming elections as the source of the conflict, when. as the OP points out, it clearly stems from disagreement over an age old treaty.

the Billmeister

Thanks for the replies

I agree that there is nothing that America can do, but at the least, americans and the rest of our world be aware of what's going on, as such issues could have cascading effects that will ultimately hurt international security,trade, and more critically - precious human lives, and when SHTF, we know not the causes and become susceptabile to other's narratives, some true, and others more sadly, malevolant that would hurt everyone sharing our world.

Facts are often readily avaliable in our modern connected world - the net or even face to face. There is truly only 6 degress of separation between humans, to discern truths, painful...as it often is to many....

1. The Sipadan and Ligitan case of administration was between 2 nations before the ICC. Currently, Philippines is ONLY a claimnaint, not a resolved and undisputed owner of the islands, and thus have no jurisdication on those islands in any manner that would be prejudical to the judgement of resolution, which is in accordance to the terms of treaty between UK, Malaysia and Philippines iwth regards to the Manila Accord.

The article writer's judgement is only based upon prejudical and ignorant opinion, a right but still ignorant.


2. To use Bandits example to show the case of landmass claims is disingenious, for using such examples, then planet Earth would have to be CARVED up into 7 BILLION pieces, because each of our ancestors had been 'bandits' too.

Banditry was common before the existance of international Rule of Law in the course of our curren civilisation since it began. Chinese migrants wandered down into South Asia, so did indigenous australians and sub-continent Indians, displacing whomever was the local despot through the force of arms.

Rome was attacked by millions of german migrants, but were beaten back. However, they could not fight against the eastern european tribes later on and fell. Rome was no more.

One only owns what one can defend. Failure, and it will result in a transfer of ownership. Those were the days.

But today, after our world had seen 2 Great world wars, mankind formed UN, grew wiser and more matured, and sought agreements by living and upholding the international Rule of Law to avoid bloodshed again. Colonials returned the land back to their People so long as they are capable of ruling, protecting and caring for it.


3. The Manila Accord sought for peaceful means as atribitration to the issue of Sabah.

Were the armed philippine militants currently in Malaysia now representatives of the Philippine govt, acting on behalf of the constitutionally legitimate Philippine govt, and had sought PEACEFULL means?

None.

The Malaysian govt had been kind enough to give those invaders a month to talk and lay down their arms. The militants response was to use the ruse of white flags to lure the Malaysian police to their sector and then greet the unsuspecting Malaysian policemen with hails of bullets, slaughtering several of them.

The militants made their choice - death, and it shall be granted to EVERY single one of them, before even more innocents die.

Regarding the Manila Accord, Philippines had not been negligent in pursuing its claims. However, what Philippines have realistically as a point is the cecession treaty for North Bornea signed by the sulus in 1878 to the british company, which may not hold up in the ICC in favor to Philippines, who is a beneficiary of another treaty by the same sulus in 1878 when it surrended its territories to Spain, and Spain had agreed to honor the sulu treaty with the Brit company.

Philippines prefers to work pragmatically on economic betterment of its people for peace than to destroy it over a contentious piece of treaty, and is a close trading neigbour as well as ally of Malaysia and ASEAN, and had enjoy peace for decades.

Make no mistakes, those philippine militants invaders on Malaysian soil are NOT for the glory and sovereignity of the Free Philippine People. Those militants are there for themselves, more for their leader, for GREED, for himself and his cronies. His men and supporters are only meant as canon fodder to protect him to claim billions in another great display of grand larceny in the guise of dubious and defunct ancient rights.

Why should i be envious on stars and flags, does it mean something or can it be converted to commodity here? You're really reaching here now and if indeed it can be converted into cash, then mabrook to you and your stars.

I'm sorry if i have exposed the irony of your nickname and your posts here by presenting the real facts with actual links which you are dismissing as lies where as until now all you've got are your own slanted opinions and not even a single iota of evidence presented.

Don't shoot me, i'm just a messenger and those quoted links i have given all came from the Malaysian side and their former muslim buddies, the warrior tausugs of sulu trained and armed by the Malaysian themselves to create trouble in Mindanao for several decades. So who is complicit now?

You keep saying it was a Malayian Police operation when it clearly says from the Malaysian themselves that it is a joint Police/Military operation who running after these group, so are you telling us now those planes dropping bombs and the APCs all came from the Police group? (hhhmmm....another lie got exposed)

I am shocked and saddened that the Philippine govt REFUSED to arrest the self proclaimed sulu sultan. Right now he is sitting in comfort in Philippines, giving interviews to the media and foolish syncophants hoping for a piece of the pie, IF he is successful in his claims.

Philippine is a democratic country, ruled by law from its constitution. Karrim is a philippine citizen and subjected to philippine laws. And there NO laws in Philippines that support slaughtering of innocent people - local or foreign, or worse, to dish out carnage and slaying in a foreign land in times of peace.

Karrim had ORDERED the invasion upon Malaysia, and his wife had inflamed the malaysian citizens living there to rise up and kill the non-filipinoes. These had been done OPENLY, and reported by the press. These are evidences of their crimes and YET, the Philippine govt had done nothing.

I do understand the underlaying reasons why they did not act, because they fear that arresting Karrim would only create martyrs out of them, rallying others to such foolish cause and create instability within Philippines, already wrecked with seccessionists.

BUT the truth is that if the Philippine FEARS to act intelligently and decisively, to bring Karrim to justice, then it WILL ONLY BE AN OPEN INVITION to others to seek seccession for their own causes - druglords, 2 bit tribal groups, sugar barons, crime gangs, corrupted elites, etc, and then Philippines WILL ONLY BE DESTROYED..WITHIN...BY THEMSELVES.


In the past, Philippine territories were mainly island chains and ruled by weak tribal factions. They had never unite, had never progressed and evolved while the West did. As a result, when the colonizer Spain came in the 15th century, they easily fell and became slaves, had remained slaves, thanks to their regressive leaders who led them.

It was Spain who UNITED the terroritories and gave it its name, and brought civilisation to the terroritory. But colonialism had never worked, for no human remains slave for long. The slaves and their descendants learnt civilisation and in time tried to overthrow the spanish. They failed.

It was the Spanish American war in the late 18th century that they saw a glimmer of independence, when spain ceded its philippine terroritories won or signed by treaties from the indigenous people, those that they held, to USA in 1898.

The philippine slaves of many tribes including the Moros fought as one united country sharing the dream of unity an freedom, from 1898 against USA, till their absolute defeat to America in 1913. However, USA is not a colonizer, and by 1916, it promised indepence to the People, which in 1935, they ruled themselves, but were disrupted by WW2, and yet once again, USA rush to their help to free them from the brutual japs occupying their lands, and sovereignity by 1946.

Thus, as all can see, those calling for seccession in Philippine today are traitors to the philippine forefathers whom had fought TOGETHER as a nation to end their enslavement. If they had each fought as a tribal unit alone, they would have failed miserably, and remained slaves, even today and become colonized by others -such as China or Islamic Radicals.

It was the blood of ALL Philippine People past, that had created the progress and evolution of its society today, united by its constitution and rule of law. And for the seccessionists, they MUST be dealt with, or the blood, sacrifices and efforts of the founding fathers would have been in vain, as well the thousands of american troops who died there to free their fellow human brothers and sisters of the Philippine People from the japanese imperial army in the 40s.

May karrim and all his fellow seccessionist conspirators be arrested, tried and sentence after trial. The Rule of Law must be upheld AT ALL TIMES, or chaos will only follow. The seccessionists are but few. They may make us of all forms of media to trumpet their causes, BUT equally, so too can the majority of Philippine People and the govt do the same, and win.