Don't fall for other peoples version of God, you can find him/her/it yourself.
People who preach do it for selfish reasons.
Intrestingly enough before all the Male type of religions people followed female type religions but I digress.
Very simple question, page 1
reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 05:05 AM by arpgme
reply to post by Bacardi
And the worse part about it is that the Abrahamic God (Yahweh) IS an ancient god that was worshiped among many. He was the ancient Canaanite War God, and they worshiped different god for different things.
Why would the Canaanites be special among all people ? And why would a war god who believing in killing and conflict be the ultimate god to be worshiped?
To rephrase your father example, imagine if your father happened to be a race that you were not a part of, and he was a convicted murderer AND he wasn't in your life until you actually went to the country for a vacation and accidentally discovered him... doesn't make the situation any better.
And the worse part about it is that the Abrahamic God (Yahweh) IS an ancient god that was worshiped among many. He was the ancient Canaanite War God, and they worshiped different god for different things.
Why would the Canaanites be special among all people ? And why would a war god who believing in killing and conflict be the ultimate god to be worshiped?
To rephrase your father example, imagine if your father happened to be a race that you were not a part of, and he was a convicted murderer AND he wasn't in your life until you actually went to the country for a vacation and accidentally discovered him... doesn't make the situation any better.
reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 07:11 AM by MamaJ
reply to post by Bacardi
Jesus tells us through the ancient texts that your father is within you, and outside of you. He is everywhere. In the Gnostic texts John speaks of "God" as not a "God" but something indescribable that is also within you.
IF the above assertions are indeed true, he would not be just showing up now... he has always been and it would be you who hasn't found him within.
There is a lot of information "out there" for one to choose which to believe or not believe. The belief in anything does come from within, all you have to do is seek what "it is", that lies within your heart and you will then know your creator, and or father.
Only by reading and studying will you be able to expand your mind, if that is what you choose to do. By expanding my mind I have been able to broaden my knowledge, thus choices in that which I believe to be important and goes along with what I have always believed. Expanding on my belief is important, however you are not me. Your heart will lead you in the right direction... follow it.
Jesus tells us through the ancient texts that your father is within you, and outside of you. He is everywhere. In the Gnostic texts John speaks of "God" as not a "God" but something indescribable that is also within you.
IF the above assertions are indeed true, he would not be just showing up now... he has always been and it would be you who hasn't found him within.
There is a lot of information "out there" for one to choose which to believe or not believe. The belief in anything does come from within, all you have to do is seek what "it is", that lies within your heart and you will then know your creator, and or father.
Only by reading and studying will you be able to expand your mind, if that is what you choose to do. By expanding my mind I have been able to broaden my knowledge, thus choices in that which I believe to be important and goes along with what I have always believed. Expanding on my belief is important, however you are not me. Your heart will lead you in the right direction... follow it.
reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 08:46 AM by maes2
reply to post by Bacardi
Monotheism. it is rational. you do not need divine books to realize existence of the first creator.
Monotheism. it is rational. you do not need divine books to realize existence of the first creator.
reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 04:07 PM by jiggerj
reply to post by Bacardi
Here's your answer: It doesn't matter.
If a god created us it's so that we would experience life HERE, and not waste it waiting for the next life or paradise or whatever nonsense comes after this life.
If there is no god and we were created by natural means then the answer is the same. We have this life HERE.
Live long and prosper. That's it.
Here's your answer: It doesn't matter.
If a god created us it's so that we would experience life HERE, and not waste it waiting for the next life or paradise or whatever nonsense comes after this life.
If there is no god and we were created by natural means then the answer is the same. We have this life HERE.
Live long and prosper. That's it.
reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 04:57 PM by SpiritofEnoch
reply to post by jiggerj
It does matter.
Do humans have free will, or don't they?
Yes. We all choose to do everything we do for our own reasons.
It does matter.
Do humans have free will, or don't they?
Yes. We all choose to do everything we do for our own reasons.
reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 06:47 PM by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by SpiritofEnoch
Is God omniscient? If so, then our lives and futures are perfectly predetermined and known. Therefore, no free-will, or God is not omniscient.
Nonetheless, a little study on free-will shows that we do not know whether we possess it or not.
Is God omniscient? If so, then our lives and futures are perfectly predetermined and known. Therefore, no free-will, or God is not omniscient.
Nonetheless, a little study on free-will shows that we do not know whether we possess it or not.
reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 07:17 PM by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch
reply to post by jiggerj
It does matter.
Do humans have free will, or don't they?
Yes. We all choose to do everything we do for our own reasons.
Your answers are in the thread "Love or Tyranny" AfterInfinity OP. Nutshell preface after many pages of fleshing out: Free will? as designed by the creator for you to act upon. You dont act upon it you die; you express your free will you die as well. Whos will is being exacted? YOURS or your Creator's grand experiment and how can you possibly tell the difference?
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reply posted on 5-3-2013 @ 11:10 PM by jiggerj
Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch
reply to post by jiggerj
It does matter.
Do humans have free will, or don't they?
Yes. We all choose to do everything we do for our own reasons.
I don't see how this fits in with my reply, but:
If a god set forth rules that must be obeyed or perish then we have no free will. If we were created by natural means then we cannot make choices that are outside of the chemical make-up of our brains, and we have no free will.
We don't choose what we do for our own reasons. We choose what we do out of an inborn drive for self-preservation. The only difference is how each of us determines what self-preservation means. For some, self-preservation is the desire to take care of one's own selfish needs. For others, self-preservation is the desire to protect all of humanity, the planet, and society.
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