Republican Party Too Extreme, Majority Of Americans Say: Poll

My biggest issue with the Republican party is how they can never seem to keep the Christian religion out of their politics. Governments are supposed to work for the people by defending them and maintaining order, not forcing a religion upon the people.

"But this is a Christian nation!" -- No, it's not. Thomas Jefferson even owned a copy of the Koran. Our founding fathers who drafted the Constitution were "dieists".

There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state, in part because of the freedom of religion we have in America. If you allow the freedom to practice any religion, you can't elevate one higher than others.

Republicans seem to want to legislate Christian morals on everyone else. I'm sorry, but that doesn't work.

I have seen some changes though. I was surprised at the former Republicans that are now outspoken FOR gay marriage. Interesting times...

I'd love to see all political parties done away with. I don't know if that would even be possible, but it would be liberating. The democrat party and the republican party ... both very extreme. Most people don't follow the party line anyways. I know pro-life democrats and I know pro-choice republicans. Most people don't fit into the 'party' mold. Get rid of the parties.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Ghost375

 

Look at how they respond. They blame others. They act like the survey can't be trusted. They refuse to acknowledge it.

Oh do you mean like for the last 12 years the last potus is to blame and the how the current right wingers in the House are to blame?

Haven't seen their opposites own up to anything.

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People confuse "nuetral" and "objective truth"...with the "middle road". If one person says the sky is blue and the other screams it is full of flying purple demons spitting fire....the "objective take" isn't that thier are a few demons flying overhead...it's that the sky is blue and the other guy is full of crap or crazy. You don't split the difference.

Dems are to blame for a portion of the dysfunction in DC, but the folks whose policy decisions for the past 5 years have centered on "Obama must fail" own the huge majority of blame.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I'd love to see all political parties done away with. I don't know if that would even be possible, but it would be liberating. The democrat party and the republican party ... both very extreme. Most people don't follow the party line anyways. I know pro-life democrats and I know pro-choice republicans. Most people don't fit into the 'party' mold. Get rid of the parties.

Small thing, but you could remove party affiliation from voting ballots...at least it would require folks to remember the names of thier local choices, rather than simply checking D or R down the line. It might also encourage folks to research a little and make choices in a different way.

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Interesting... and here I sit viewing the modern GOP as being a marginalized, liberal bastardization of the political party I grew up supporting.

The article doesn't implicitly state that the GOP is extreme to the right or to the left. I suspect at least a portion of the self-identified Republicans who said the party is too extreme shares my view and was thinking they have gone to the extreme in the leftward direction. Today's GOP is essentially the Democrat party of the John kennedy years. There is, in fact, very little difference between the two. I mean "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.".... does that sound even remotely like "here's your handout, remember to vote for the re-election of the Meal Ticket in the November elections!" JFK was against what has made so many American despise labor unions (union corruption), rather than embracing the corruption and bending it to his own political advantage the way modern politicians have. He was a strong believer in American Exceptionalism, unlike the modern Democrat party. He didn't suffer comunists, unlike today's Democrat party which seems to embrace that ethos so comfortably on a social level.

The GOP hasn't moved to the right. In fact the opposite is true. The GOP has moved to the left, the Democrats have moved even further to the left, and God help us all, it appears that society has moved even quicker to the left. Further evidence of the demise of America and the prevalence of the Low Information Voter.

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Both parties don't represent the people anymore. Both parties dig there heels in more and more and strong arm the American people in their name.

Originally posted by neo96

I do love how "superior" the left "feels" right now just means they are scared of the right and still the election continues to remind people of just "how bad" the gop is.

Well someone is Scared, Lets ask Gov Bobby Jindal. Rep

“We must stop being the stupid party.” “We must stop looking backward.” “We must stop insulting the intelligence of voters.” Gov. Bobby Jindal held little back with his sharp words to Republicans Thursday evening, urging his own party to rethink their arguments against Democrats and appeals to voters in his remarks to party members attending the Republican National Committee’s Winter Meeting.

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Originally posted by Tw0Sides
]Well someone is Scared, Lets ask Gov Bobby Jindal. Rep

“We must stop being the stupid party.” “We must stop looking backward.” “We must stop insulting the intelligence of voters.” Gov. Bobby Jindal held little back with his sharp words to Republicans .

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Hey hey, another RINO (Jindal, not you) spouting off and pretending he knows jack squat about what he's talking about. It seems there's a contradiction in his logic as well. According to him the GOP is the "stupid party" yet it loses because it is "insulting the intelligence of voters." Well now, the majority of American voters are about as bright as a box of crushed light bulbs, so if the GOP was the "stupid party", wouldn't they have enough support to hold pretty much every office in the land?

Jindal represents what's wrong with this party. He, Romney, McCain, Guiliani, RINOs each and every one of them. They deserve to be shown an open door and given a swift boot to the ass, removing them from the Republican gene pool so the natural progression of the party can resume and prominence can once again be achieved.

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People confuse "nuetral" and "objective truth"...with the "middle road

Really Those Rinos McCain and Romney were "middle of the road" and yet that wasn't good enough for the crowd that says the right needs to be more like the left when the truth is they don't want them to be they would have no one to vilify.

Not a single democrat will ever vote for a republican candidate and anyone who says the left is neutral or objecftive or middle of the road is selling the same crap the current admin is.

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I do love how some people seize what the right says as if it is suppose to justify their opinions then turn around and continue to vilify as per the premise of this thread.

People want one party Go Forward with that lunacy.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Lets ask Gov Bobby Jindal.

Oh gawd .. ... him? He tells people not to be stupid, but he did an early POTUS endorsement of his Texas gov. neighbor .. that whackadoo Rick Perry. Talk about STUPID!

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Ghost375

 

Look at how they respond. They blame others. They act like the survey can't be trusted. They refuse to acknowledge it.

Oh do you mean like for the last 12 years the last potus is to blame and the how the current right wingers in the House are to blame?

Haven't seen their opposites own up to anything.

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The emphasis was on "They refuse to acknowledge [they are too extreme].
Again, you're still skirting the issue, and that was my whole point. As soon as any criticism is directed at the GOP, they refuse to acknowledge it, and immediately start pointing the finger at others.

You did exactly what I said was the problem with you guys!

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Skirted nothing because all I hear about how "obstructionist" the right is and how the right is extreme for not rolling over and play dead letting the left do whatever the hell it wants.

The left loves to say how superior they are to the right to date none have ever proved it the only thing I have seen is them saying how better they are

and immediately start pointing the finger at others.

Like the op and what you just did?


For those who think they know what a extremist republican party looks like it would have looked liked:

Obama versus Santorum in the 2012 election
Obama versus Gingrich in the 2012 election.

Neither one happened feel free to continue think the GOP is "extremist" which is far from the truth.

Originally posted by neo96
For those who think they know what a extremist republican party looks like it would have looked liked:

Obama versus Santorum in the 2012 election
Obama versus Gingrich in the 2012 election.

Neither one happened feel free to continue think the GOP is "extremist" which is far from the truth.

Gingrich? Really Neo? Mr. Cap and Trade? He's ridiculously intelligent, far, far surpassing the See n' Say teleprompter warriors of late, I'll give you that. The guy is a progressive Republican, though.

Santorum, alright.... I suppose he's closer to an actual Conservative, however his support of bank deregulation alongside the Democrats wasn't exactly a shining moment for him.

I'd have thrown in a Hermann Cain or possibly a John Huntsman instead. I also think Paul Ryan qualifies... at least superficially. I have no real reason to dislike or distrust Ryan, as I'd have probably jumped at the chance to be Veep, too. Can't really hold it against him that it was Romney he was stuck running with...

Neo...You seem confused in a half-dozen ways...

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5

 

People confuse "nuetral" and "objective truth"...with the "middle road

Really Those Rinos McCain and Romney were "middle of the road" and yet that wasn't good enough for the crowd that says the right needs to be more like the left when the truth is they don't want them to be they would have no one to vilify.

McCain and Romney, although more centrist Republicans, were required to move to the FARTHEST RIGHT to secure thier parties nomination and couldn't return to the middle quick enough to win a general election from the middle.

That is why the GOP is strategizing for fewer Primary debates next time, to give the candidate more time to cross the vast gulf they have created between what they demand from thier Nominees and what the American public will stomache in a general election.

Of course the simpler solution would be to move the entire GOP party back closer to center, but what the hell, too many folks like crazy....so less debates and more time to forget all the crap they said in the primaries and sprint to the center.

Originally posted by neo96
Not a single democrat will ever vote for a republican candidate

Reagan got Democrat votes...even "w" the first time got Democrat votes...It wasn't until the Godfather Rove decided that "divide and conquer" was the new strategy and the talk about the "Permanent Majority"...remember? Recruit the Christian right, use issues like "Gay Marriage" to divide..."Gay Marriage" was Roves brainchild...just split the nation and the GOP would have the "Permenent Majority...and as a result of that failed strategy/miscalculation...a strategy the GOP still hangs onto and doubles down on at every turn creeping ever more so to the farthest right...they haven't won the Popular vote in a Presidential election now for 3 Presidential elections, 13 years...and have only won the popular vote in a presidential election ONCE in the past 25 years....Keep pretending nothing is wrong...

Originally posted by neo96and anyone who says the left is neutral or objecftive or middle of the road is selling the same crap the current admin is.

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I didn't say the "left" is neutral and "objective"...wow...are you capable of understanding those terms absent assigning them to left or right?

Facts, science, math and logic do not have a political affiliation.

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Where are they getting "extreme" from other than a left wing "news organization" ?

A "extreme" republican party would have a difference face than what we have seen they really want 1 party which is pretty much what we have now.

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McCain and Romney, although more centrist Republicans,

Wonder whose confused seems to me that is what people are saying they need to be "middle of the road" now they can't even agree with what middle of the road is.

Both were rinos which is the complete opposite of extreme which was the premise of the thread.

Of course the simpler solution would be to move the entire GOP party back closer to center, but what the hell, too many folks like crazy....so less debates and more time to forget all the crap they said in the primaries and sprint to the center.

So you do really want 1 party system as was already said why do we need a "right" or a left" when people have stated they don't want a right at all.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by burdman30ott6

 

Where are they getting "extreme" from other than a left wing "news organization" ?

A "extreme" republican party would have a difference face than what we have seen they really want 1 party which is pretty much what we have now.

Definitely agree with that. The problem is, either through disinterest or plain old stupidity, the average American voter actually absorbs what the liberal media pushes about candidates and issues. They have created a zero sum game for the GOP, yet a massively forgiving atmosphere for the Democrat candidates. A GOP candidate can have an excellent economic plan, an excellent defense strategy, an excellent grasp on foreign affairs, and be of solid moral character... and the media will present him as Public Enemy #1 because he or she is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman. These are two fringe issues which frankly should NEVER play a role in demeaning a politician. They impact a minute percentage of Americans, yet we are expected to vote against the overall good of the majority of the nation (along with the good of ourselves) because the polician isn't socially progressive enough to crap on ther own moral underpinnings.

Conversely, you can have a Democrat candidate who presents a complete lack of American exceptionalism, openly decries traditional American strengths on the public stage, has absolutely no clue as to how to deal with national budgeting and spending concerns, wishes to support and expand the roles of the have nots by taking ever more from the haves, is a complete global tool, and doesn't give two craps about the Constitution except when it suits them... and the media presents them as a populist hero because they support the minute minority of special interest voters.

To be honest, it is well past time for the Right side of politics to enact the same balls to the wall full assault against the First Amendment as the Left side has enacted against the Second. One of those amendments is loosely tied in with a couple thousand deaths a year... the other is directly leading to the death of an entire nation.

Originally posted by neo96
feel free to continue think the GOP is "extremist" which is far from the truth.

Well the majority of America says otherwise.
Maybe you should cool off a bit, and really go over how you all act with an open mind.

The extremity does not really lie with your guys' views on issues. It's how you act.
It's one thing to be anti-abortion. It's another to shout how anyone who has an abortion is going to hell.

It's one thing to respectfully think the sanctity of marriage belongs to a man and his wife. It's another to shout that all homosexuals are going to hell.

It's one thing to be pro-gun. It's another to practically worship guns, call anyone who even suggests we could improve gun safety a communist fascist.

It's one thing to have a laissez-faire attitude towards the economy. It's another to call anyone who suggests we need to regulate corporations a little bit, and maybe raise their taxes(instead of PAYING them), a socialist LIBTARD.

It's not Republicans views that are the problem. It's how they act. Anyone who has views different from them is an evil enemy. Anyone who disagrees with you hates freedom.

Originally posted by Ghost375
The extremity does not really lie with your guys' views on issues. It's how you act.
It's one thing to be anti-abortion. It's another to shout how anyone who has an abortion is going to hell.

It is one thing to get an abortion. It's another to not only get one, but expect everyone else's tax dollars to pay for you to get one.

It's one thing to respectfully think the sanctity of marriage belongs to a man and his wife. It's another to shout that all homosexuals are going to hell.

It is one thing to be gay. It's another thing to hold lavish parades flaunting you gayness and demand that it be presented as a perfectly normal issue (despite the fact that we're dealing with less than 3% of the entire population.)

It's one thing to be pro-gun. It's another to practically worship guns, call anyone who even suggests we could improve gun safety a communist fascist.

It is one thing to ask questions regarding improving public safety. It's another to seriously suggest removing Rights in exchange for an illusion of public safety.

It's one thing to have a laissez-faire attitude towards the economy. It's another to call anyone who suggests we need to regulate corporations a little bit, and maybe raise their taxes(instead of PAYING them), a socialist LIBTARD.

Who are you referring to here? I have yet to hear any Democrats suggest raising corporate taxes at all, the Democrats were in favor of TARP, and the Democrats were the ones who wanted deregulation to allow more people to purchase homes they couldn't afford. Both parties have an equal amount of blood on their hands here.

It's not Republicans views that are the problem. It's how they act. Anyone who has views different from them is an evil enemy. Anyone who disagrees with you hates freedom.

...and anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist, anyone who disagrees with Pelosi is a sexist, anyone who disagrees with Barney Frank is a bigot, anyone who disagrees with abortion is a mysoginist, and anyone who embraces the Constitution is a potential Domestic Terrorist.

Absolutism is the problem, not one party or the other. BOTH parties are full of idiots. The other problem is the majority of American voters are not qualified to cast a vote. The combination of high voter turnout, lower overall IQs among the population, and more people on the tax payer dole is a death knell for this nation. I (along with others) can only hope and pray that it is either reversed swiftly or else dies as quickly as possible so rebuilding can occur. Nobody likes long, drawn out, "look at me!" deaths... they're just awkward for all involved.