This unbelievable video just made the front page of AOL.com

reply to post by TheEthicalSkeptic

I recently started a venture with a Wall Street connected friend of the political elite, presuming immediate credibility towards his business prowess since he was worth over 1.2 billion. I was sadly mistaken...

Valuable lesson. How do the real wealthy at the top get their riches? They steal it. Every chance they get.

They know how to do that. They are good at that. If they weren't they would have their money stolen from them by some other dishonest money bags on the way up. Thanks for the peek into that dog eat dog world.

reply to post by Instructoralpha


You miss the point Mate, people are suffering out there. I have a job and own my car and have a mortgage so I am OK.
But within the last 3-4 months I have watched many companies close their doors with workers having to wait and see as to whether or not they receive their entitlements after many years of service, having to try to start again knowing full well jobs are not easy to find.
In those situations the bank gets paid first, trust me the workers are at the back of the queue.
You sit in your Ivory tower saying that people suffering have no right to complain.
Do you actually employ people? And if so do you pay minimum wage. Or do you feel comfortable in a relatively high paying job not having the slightest concern for those less fortunate.
I pity you if you lose your job and have to start again, it isn't easy. Get off your high horse and show some compassion, life has a way of evening things out.

reply to post by kudegras


I am one of those foreclosed people you mention.

But does blaming everyone who is better off than i get me anywhere, does wishing those people would redistribute the wealth so i can have a fairer chance make me whole?

I bought my home. I signed a shall we say less than perfect mortgage...didnt know at the time, but now ive got experience. Is it the 1%s fault i i did this?

So should i roll over and quit and let someone else deal with it?
I fought tooth and nail not to foreclose, so please everyone else bail me out because i failed?
Its my responsibility and no one elses.
Just as its my responsibility to get off my ass and make something else happen.
I have no sense of entitlement here, no i deserve it because im american mentality.
It happened, it sucked, but ill be damned if im going to be another american leach on my fellow taxpayers.
Too many of those already, its not right, its not necessary, and if some had a spine it wouldnt happen as much as it is.

to quit because the world isnt your oyster is just cowardly.

Did Max quit when they killed his family?

reply to post by intrptr


Agreed, The more they have the more they want. Business is like a big Pyramid Scheme, which is exactly why the pointy bit at the top is the one % and the rest of us are holding the structure together from below.
Probably why they worship pyramids with the all seeing eye keeping an eye on all of us down below.

reply to post by Instructoralpha


I understand that the family money started somewhere. Probably within the last 100 years or so.

But the system just seems designed to keep people down in these days. With regulations and laws that normal people can't handle without some money to begin with, which puts them in debt and forces them into the system. I think the government is more to blame than those rich people, but it was probably the rich people who bought the government.

Socialism isn't the answer, but something is, and it's not our current model of capitalism.

reply to post by Instructoralpha


Buddy, not everyone is quitting, granted there are leaches and lazy people everywhere. In my country we call them dole bludger's and they don't deserve your respect.,
But there are people who are fighting a losing battle, I lost my job in May of 2009. I am a skilled tradesman with at the time close to 30 years of experience.
It took me nearly 12 months to get a job in the same field. I had to work as a casual for about 3 different agencies in order to guarantee putting food on the table and pay my mortgage.
Do not begrudge people who are doing it tough, granted some don't want to work but that's not the case for all.

reply to post by Miraj


I agree with you,

the last thing i think we need is more bought off government deciding whats "best" for us normal working joes.
It never seems to go the way we think.

reply to post by kudegras


I know not everyone is quitting, but the ones who do always seem to want the most. And their sense of entitlement sickens me sometimes. Please dont misinterpret my ranting, i apologize for that. I did get a little carried away.

We could be so much better, if we tried.

Also no disrespect with the Max comment, love that movie.

Originally posted by Ghost375
reply to post by Happy1

 

So the big corporations are going to ruin their comfy lifestyle to install communism?
You realize they'd have to give up their wealth, right?
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Do you people know what communism is?

A communist country or world, is like a giant corporation with the workers given enough to stay alive a place to live and basic food. The top % flourishes and has all they want anything they want anytime they want.

reply to post by Miraj


Absolutely, We are all pawns to those who control the system. We are indentured labour and it probably goes back further than 100 years.
We may not have a collar around our neck or shackled feet but instead have bank mortgages or escalating rent.
And a need to put food on the table for our families at ever increasing prices.
You rarely get CPI pay rises these days and the bank receives your pay before you do and no doubt invests it at the time. And they charge you for that luxury and charge you to take your own money out.
So, obviously we are being controlled by those at the top of the food chain with no real ability to control our own destiny unless of course you win Lotto.

Here's a graph I once made showing the difference between the top 400 richest Americans and the poorest 50% of Americans (the bottom half). And this is using data from 2010 (it's worse now).

reply to post by Instructoralpha


No mate he just went around and killed everybody. I understand where you are coming from. However I feel some of the people who think they are most entitled are those in the middle to high middle incomes.
They seem to be the most self centered self serving people you will ever meet. They are generally the middle men who are happy to deceive and cheat people as they have been taught this from the best.
Obviously those above them, and they will back stab and cheat and fight tooth and nail to get ahead.
Its the way of the world, it needs fixing but wont be fixed until those at the very top grow a heart and start to consider some of the lesser off people's suffering. And that my friend is not likely to happen anytime soon.
They say a fish rots from the head down, and that is the way of the world.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


That is Gold, no actually it is yellow. But its close to being gold.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Im just asking,

Does that graph make it right to demand they hand it over? and when lets say theoreticaly 10% of the people who get that money blow it in Vegas, who do we tap next? Vegas?

once it starts, it suddenly becomes acceptable to expect bail outs.

Thats the part i dont like.

reply to post by kudegras


Absolutely,

Id just rather that wealth be earned somehow, even by the people in need.

just an idea, here--- if you want to go to school your tuition could be adjusted to your income. You are required to pass all your courses...or you will pay the difference.


see im not heartless, i just expect some kind of return value placed back into the community, not here you go, live it up, oh you want more...umm ok but try not to blow it....ok you blew it heres some more...repeat.

reply to post by Instructoralpha

Does that graph make it right to demand they hand it over?

I don't believe in any type of forceful wealth redistribution. I believe in fair wealth distribution to begin with. Many of us look at the problem and immediately think "wow we need to take that back". Taking it back wont solve anything for very long because most of the wealth income will continue to flow to those who control the businesses. What we need to think about is how we reached this point in the first place, why is wealth distributed so unfairly to begin with? Perhaps if we begin thinking about ways to pay employees and shareholders more fairly we can create a more "ideal" wealth distribution. I've already mentioned this thread so many times before, but I want to mention it once again here: Contribution Factor Theory. In that thread I propose a fair mathematical system for determining how employees are paid. This problem will never truly be solved into we stop paying CEO's and shareholders vast sums of money and until we stop paying normal employees as if they were slaves or disposable human resources.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


So what you're really saying is you are a fair level headed thoughtful person that can look at all sides of an issue, research some data and make an informed personal decision.

WOW, i wish that happened more.

Nice to meet you.

reply to post by NorEaster

I checked their sources:
Motherjones.com according to groupsnoops,” Mother Jones is one of the largest liberal magazines in the United States.[1] Based in San Francisco…
www.groupsnoop.org...
Hmmm, a liberal magazine in bed with the current regiem.

Next source.
Danariely.com, he is a professor at Duke University. Here is what some of his students have to say about him at ratemyprofessors.com:
www.ratemyprofessors.com...
“Genius, but not a very good professor. He was very unreachable and understandably completely irrational.” And “Ariely is a very interesting man, but as a professor he is lacking. His accent and subpar English make him difficult to understand, and his lectures are all over the place. Furthermore, he is entirely disengaged from his students. His assistant Aline takes care of all testing and grading, and unfortunately she's largely incompetent”
Hmmm, irrational, difficult to understand, and has an incompetent assistant.

Next source.
thinkprogress.org, according to PJ Media:
pjmedia.com...
Think Progress is an unofficial auxiliary of the Democratic Party, apparently run with the singular purpose of generating reams of dubious (and sometimes shockingly bad) propaganda. One of their more recent abortive efforts was to fabricate a video that they they would like to use as evidence supporting the popular left-wing meme that the growing tea party movement is chock-full of racists.”
And The Atlantic Wire reports that this popular Gay Lesbian Transsexual Bisexual organization just had Google’s Red Screen of Doom.
www.theatlanticwire.com...
Now for the last very very credible source, this bogus Uboob video lists, are you ready? CNN!
www.youtube.com...

More FAKE reporting from CNN:
www.knowthelies.com...
www.theatlantic.com...
www.survivalandbeyond.net...

This is a totally bogus video and needs to be in the HOAX Forum!
But the sheeple will go Behhhh Bhhhaa Obhhaaaa Obhaaamaaaa

reply to post by NorEaster

dang, sorry i can't view the video yet, sounds interesting.
hmmm, i hope it presents better than this statement of yours.

The shipping of those jobs started happening 30+ years ago. Long before any "free trade agreements" were signed.

not quite.
it certainly was the 'trade' agreements and all of what they encompassed, need a list ?
i'd suggest starting with the steel industry but it actually began a few decades before that.

the steel industry took a huge hit in the early 80s and a contributing factor was the multitude of joint ventures with both domestic and foreign partners and non-steel corps.
(trade agreements)

which industry did you have in mind ?

i read the article and in some ways i do agree (haven't seen the presentation though)
i'm curious though, does it account for all of the natural disasters and destruction we've endured during that time ?

takes $$ to rebuild ya know and those $$ aren't going to the 'local' contractors, hardwares or carpet layers for that matter ... all that $$ goes to CORP headquarters.
yes, speculators and wall street thrive on exacerbating the problems.
but they don't have $$ unless we give it to them, do they ?

i'm all for End the Fed and movement to achieve it ... however, aggression toward people over an illusion (currency) just doesn't sit right with me.

reply to post by Instructoralpha


Haha... well it's more like I've had a lot of time to think about this stuff. If you had asked me how to solve the problem several years ago I probably would have answered differently.

Nice to meet you too.