This unbelievable video just made the front page of AOL.com

reply to post by roreagin


Perhaps you could try reading the post I made with a link to the report on page 15, I quoted clearly, all the posts after are quoted clearly.

Please refer to the posts and quotes in context, relying on 'chinese whispers' isn't such a good strategy.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33

They could issue a flat tax, no deductions for family incomes over $250,000 at 12%.
Any family income under 36K a year no tax, build the middle class back up. And encourage families to raise there kids instead of working. Then build a flat tax system tiered, 50K at 3% for example this would include state and federal taxes. Simple solutions to create equality that will never be adopted.

why have an income tax at all?
it seems to me, that a national sales tax would make more sense. you make $30,000 a year, you get taxed on what you spend. make $1,500,000 a year, you get taxed on what you spend.

taxation on wages is an awful idea, especially with the loopholes that are allowed.

and I don't even want to think about the subsidise that these billion dollar industres are getting...

www.businessweek.com...

double post...

interactive map of corporate subidies and incentives
www.nytimes.com...

list of corporations that have their taxes paid via the Federal government tax breaks
www.economicpopulist.org...

reply to post by NorEaster


I am on disability for medical issues. One of those ultra poor people this country treats worse than animals. Yes I get a monthly check and so called insurance, if you go to certain doctors and only need certain things. If it’s something they don’t pay for you buy over the counter things and/or suffer. They call this the best country in the world, that’s a laugh. All these politicians that buy their office, and if accidentally people voted aren’t who they want there is a recount to make sure they get it their way. In all honesty I think it’s nothing but trash, yes the ultra rich have everything they want think they are God control what other people do, think, buy and say. In my eyes they are more pathetic then the most poor person on the planet. People need to wake up and began to fight back. Say this is enough you people need to distribute the wealth, period! Otherwise a revolt is going to happen in this country and nobody will win except I forgot those losers in the media so TV will get ratings. Anyone with any descent ideas are overlooked because they aren’t part of the for lack of a better word ‘mob’ ruled government and ultra rich.
What can be done? Without the revolt I spoke of which would take decades to recover from I am not totally sure. A starting point would be install some people in government who can count and are unbiased, erase the national debt completely mark it paid. Lower the cost of living to let peoples wages catch up. Quit depending so much on automation, the next cell phone and laptop to come out every minute and people work. Then of course the ultra rich pay their share (I am not talking about just taxing a little, and raising taxes on wages on everyone else like they done) I mean quit raising payroll tax and the ultra rich pay 20-40%. Make them sacrifice a little. This plan may hurt for a few years our productivity but not like a revolt would cost lives, and a complete collapse of the economy taking decades to overcome. That is a start plus putting Mars and space on hold for a few years who cares how the universe began right now if people here are suffering because of rich morons curiosity. feel free to reply to me about this at [email protected]

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by roreagin

 

Perhaps you could try reading the post I made with a link to the report on page 15, I quoted clearly, all the posts after are quoted clearly.

Please refer to the posts and quotes in context, relying on 'chinese whispers' isn't such a good strategy.

I don't use the Chinese Whisper thingys
BUT
I found The Source link, which helped me to understand this post of yours: "This is about the top 100, the 1%, of EXTREME wealth, earning £100+billions per YEAR"
~
What the Source Link tells me is, on average, the TOP 100 Billionaires individually earned about $2.4 Billion USD last year.
BUT
Some made quite a lot more than $2.4 Billion and others made significantly less...

For example: Bill Gates increased his March 2012 $61 Billion USD to $66.8 Billion USD as of March 2013...
Nearly a 10% increase... ~rore

Source Link at:
www.oxfam.org...
~
The Source Link states: "The top 100 billionaires added $240 billion to their wealth in 2012... See Ref # 28
Ref. # 28 links to:
www.globalresearch.ca...
iving-standards-fall/5318471
&
topics.bloomberg.com...

Originally posted by kalisdad
double post...

interactive map of corporate subidies and incentives
www.nytimes.com...

list of corporations that have their taxes paid via the Federal government tax breaks
www.economicpopulist.org...

edit on 6-3-2013 by kalisdad because: (no reason given)

Thanks man,,, great post this is what it is all about,,,,, I still can't believe this.. and fox news tell us the middle class wants Santa Clause But you never here about these Billions of tax payer money going to these company"s The Banks would be out on the street, if it wasn't for the Billions given to them by the Dems and Rep every month

I read the first couple of pages of this thread about 10 hours ago, I haven't seen consequent posts so am not aware of the current direction tat this thread has taken nor the current arguments, so forgive me if this post appears out of context, although I am referring to the op. and it's only a brief point.

I am currently watching UK television, something I don't often do and is usually only as a background noise as to what I am doing, which is the case now. Just switched on to a comedy show and they are discussing European politics and what has struck me is a mainstream comedian stating that the system is obviously wrong and isn't working. I just think that things are changing, the awakening is happening. Many of us on AT have spoken of this for years and been ridiculed, i have suffered being called an headcase by family & friends on fbook for having the odd rant, people saying it doesn't effect them -so what.

But now we see this kind of thing in being said in mainstream mndf**k tv, maybe the masses will become aware, maybe change will come. I hope so although I can't think of a good solution to the problem without some form of initial suffering. I'm also just a little wary about if there is any underlying reasons behind this sudden media disclosure in sheeple style.

I hope it comes good for us all but if the change means our generation taking the brunt of the suffering then I ask you to just think beyond the near future.

Good luck to us all, stay good and your happiness will be pure

Back before I opened my eyes to this stuff I tried to get a job as a financial analyst. Had a hedge fund manager tell me I didn't have the "pedigree". Didn't think much of it and did my own thing. I guess what he was trying to say is daddy didn't sell his soul to the devil for the illusion of owning worthless material possessions on earth and since he wasn't willing to poison, kill, or destroy the earth for financial gain then I may have to find out what its like to be a real man and have to do some hard work in my life. So that's what I did, maybe next time I see him I'll crush his soft, silky little manicured hand with my vise like grip that comes with hard work. Haha

AWA

reply to post by jaron


I had an idea that if the SEC would simply ban all Wall St. "trading products" that can't be simply explained by a stock broker (and not a physicist - really, I'm serious), ban the hiring of physics grads from the top tier universities by Wall St. brokerage houses, eliminate all trading debt and credit that can't be explained using common financial industry language by a mid-level brokerage trader, and yank all pico-second stock flipping machines off the Wall St. extranet, then we might just be able to get a start on getting an idea about how to get a handle on exactly how much money is actually in play - including where the hell 7 trillion dollars (so far) of our Treasury's money has disappear to over the last 4 years or so.

As far as the top 1%, maybe if we simply cut them off right now, let them keep what money they can adequately detail as genuinely belonging to them, but made it illegal for anyone to ever do any financial trading business with them ever again, and started over from the 2% on down, but with all those convoluted trading products (the kinds that require a physics PhD to fully detail - making them impossible to actually regulate by anyone ever) eliminated and outlawed, then we might just have a shot at surviving the next 5 years without a forever collapse of literally everything that is connected to any monetary system in existence right now.

If not, then we're looking at a "look out below" tipping point that'll be thrilling in its scope, intensity, and sheer originality. I'm just glad that I'm broke on my ass, and will be able to watch it all fly apart from the bleachers.

reply to post by NorEaster


The trillions unaccounted for are possibly in part from untraceable grants and tax incentives that aren't followed, hundreds of millions for many companies in many states. GM is just an example, there are so many more.

www.nytimes.com...

In the end, the money that towns across America gave General Motors did not matter.
When the automaker released a list of factories it was closing during bankruptcy three years ago, communities that had considered themselves G.M.’s business partners were among the targets.

For years, mayors and governors anxious about local jobs had agreed to G.M.’s demands for cash rewards, free buildings, worker training and lucrative tax breaks. As late as 2007, the company was telling local officials that these sorts of incentives would “further G.M.’s strong relationship” with them and be a “win/win situation,” according to town council notes from one Michigan community.

Yet at least 50 properties on the 2009 liquidation list were in towns and states that had awarded incentives, adding up to billions in taxpayer dollars, according to data compiled by The New York Times.

Some officials, desperate to keep G.M., offered more. Ohio was proposing a $56 million deal to save its Moraine plant, and Wisconsin, fighting for its Janesville factory, offered $153 million.

But their overtures were to no avail. G.M. walked away and, thanks to a federal bailout, is once again profitable. The towns have not been so fortunate, having spent scarce funds in exchange for thousands of jobs that no longer exist.

One township, Ypsilanti, Mich., is suing over the automaker’s departure. “You can’t just make these promises and throw them around like they’re spare change in the drawer,” said Doug Winters, the township’s attorney.

Yet across the country, companies have been doing just that. And the giveaways are adding up to a gigantic bill for taxpayers.

The cost of the awards is certainly far higher. A full accounting, The Times discovered, is not possible because the incentives are granted by thousands of government agencies and officials, and many do not know the value of all their awards. Nor do they know if the money was worth it because they rarely track how many jobs are created. Even where officials do track incentives, they acknowledge that it is impossible to know whether the jobs would have been created without the aid.

Originally posted by RoScoLaz
reply to post by LoneGunMan

 

he shills.

i would just like to take this opportunity to retract, and apologise for, the above comment.

i hope to rise above such cheap shots herein.

my apologies to nomnom

Originally posted by Dfairlite
reply to post by NorEaster

 

Yep, that's why you're a loser (in the literal sense, not name calling, simply using the opposite of what you address successful people as) You are focused on destruction. Your entire post is 100% destruction, not building anything other than an army to destroy.

Satans minions, you jealous socialists are.

Then why would you ever want to piss us off?



Seriously. If you honestly believe that we're dangerous, then be afraid of us.

Did you know that if life-saving surgery were performed on you without anesthesia, you'd be hard-pressed to see it as anything but torture, and you'd probably die of neurogenic shock. Even if the surgery itself would be necessary to rid your body of the disease or infection that will kill you if it wasn't addressed.

It'd be great if an entire society could be anesthetized when it becomes critically ill, but that's just not possible. Most critically ill societies don't survive surgery. The pain itself is what ultimately kills them. The Corporate-American empire isn't any different than any other empire. Its death will be just as spectacular. Only difference is that it'll be televised.

Oh, and I'm not a Socialist. I honestly don't see any real value in anything but a close knit, supportive community of people who really care about each other. Money won't ever get in a car and come get you when you need help, especially at 3 AM outside of a small town on a back road. No amount of money will give you that. Nothing ensures your survival more than layers and layers of people who care that you survive.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by NorEaster

 

The trillions unaccounted for are possibly in part from untraceable grants and tax incentives that aren't followed, hundreds of millions for many companies in many states. GM is just an example, there are so many more.

How many hundreds of millions of local government incentive dollars does it take to account for 7 trillion Federal Treasury dollars?

I'll wait for your answer.

reply to post by NorEaster


Hundreds of thousands of companies across every state in the US getting millions, some billions, mostly untracked and unfollowable. The report stated US local governments give away $9.1 million per hour and $80.4 billion per year in business incentives.

The rest of the 7 trillion is probably in a few places, war probably, secret tech, pay offs, luxurious elite underground bunkers, secret supply contingencies, underground cities etc.