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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
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I do get it. But, your argument lacks substance.

You say that the system is set up to favor certain people. I say that the system does not play favorites. People's decisions affect their circumstances and the circumstances of their offspring.

You cannot take personal responsibility out of the equation.



No one is suggesting that personal responsibilty be taken out of the equation....

I'm only pointing out that the playing field is not level. Do you disagree with that? really? At this point I don't think you're being sincere for the sake of argument. Either that or you are naive.... no offense but if you can't see the disparity there is something wrong with your eyes.




posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Even in France, which free-market ideologues would have you believe should have collapsed around 1986, things still pretty much work. Certainly the casual visitor wouldn't notice much difference between there and the US. Apart from the superior food obviously!


Because THERE IS NONE in most obvious aspects of daily life. We have free trade, can amass wealth and can do whatever anyone in the states can do..with the exception states in the EU have more "government influence" on things like health care and other things that are mostly intended what we refer to as "social net".

It's, if you will, "regulated" capitalism as opposed to "unregulated" capitalism, but its still capitalism with all the freedoms according to our Western standards.

For me it's clear that Obama *wants* to emulate the system in the EU (those aspects where the system works), but it's stupid to call him Socialist or Communist because of that. It's nothing more than addressing problems unregulated capitalism has, as some countries in EU already do and did.

The ONLY ones who could root for entirely unregulated capitalism would be those 1% (as pointed out nicely in the video) because those are THE ONLY ONES which would profit from it.
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I think the Euro currency has been a disaster in the making ever since it came into existance in 2000. Supposedly to compete against the dollar but all it did was make one gigantic unmanageable beauracracy out of everything. The member states are no longer sovereign and if they have debt problems they might as well listen the chancellor of germany give one boring lecture after another boring lecture. National Sovereignty with moderate inflation is preferable to this giant octopus.

Also NATO is outdated since it was established to combat the Warsaw Pact nations and only serves to benefit the USA and Israel. These two countries make tons of money on hot air by continuing to sell the commies are out to get us. Communism has died everywhere and people should let it go.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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i have, what makes you think i haven't ?
i've served some too over the years, what does it matter ?
they are still PEOPLE for the most part.
and that's what you seem to want to dismiss, we are all people, in the same dang boat filling with water and sinking faster than anyone is willing to put their hands into the process of bailing out.

instead, everyone is complaining that the OTHER guy forgot a bucket
it matters not WHO the other guy is, it's just him/her.

makes me wanna


i agree with most of what you've said here ... but the post i responded to above goes beyond rationality or compassion or cooperation and that's gets noone anywhere.

those who play the game always want to 'control' the game ... this is nothing new.
problem is ... too many ppl choose to play.

example: i'm an old NHL fan and when the current structure came to be (and most were not satisfied) - i was shocked that sooooo many who were dissatisfied, played anyway ... what's up with that ?

for some reason i'll never understand, policy prevailed ... that's downright disheartening.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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Nothing short of all out revolution will change anything. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.

Western civilization has been living far beyond it's means for far too long. Pure capitalism was doomed to fail right from the start, as well it should. The whole system is flawed and wrong on so many levels.

We all just better get used to it because there is nothing we can do about it, NOTHING. The elite have their talons buried deep into this world, and we are all just too complacent to take the necessary action to change things. We have given TPTB the time they needed to put the pieces in place for check mate.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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All too true and the 1% have the force of government backing them. It will only continue to get worse until something breaks and when it does suddenly all those dollars will seem more like a burden than a treasure.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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The media got the job done. Money talks and bull# walks!

But there is no such thing as *game over* till you give up.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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here ya go Lady...you might like these...feel free to share the video as often as possible if you like it...






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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:17 PM
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Interesting video so far, thank you for posting.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:27 PM
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The playing field is never level.
No two people are equal.
No matter how you try to regulate everyone's life, some will always do better than others.

You are the one that does not seem to be grounded in reality. Many people live a full and happy life. Some are affluent some are not. I don't think that determines happiness.

I think that even if you took the wealth away from the top 5% you would not elevate the bottom 10% for long.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:28 PM
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Just want to ask the people who think free trade is so great, what makes it great??

Do you know what free trade is? If you did I doubt you would push for it. Free trade is what allows outsourcing of jobs and sweatshops in asia. Did you know people get abused for your walmart gismos?

There is no sense in addressing individual posters as many are living in their propaganda bubble. Might as well address everyone here at the same time. I am all ears, so please make your case for free trade is great! Doubt I will get any well thought out responses.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by evictiongnostic

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NorEaster
 


Scary vid I reckon the stats are more or less the same in the UK.
So what do we do about it?


Raise the minimum wage,

tax investments at higher rates (30-35%) if they aren't with companies that are creating jobs at home and lower taxes substantially (5-8%) for investments that create jobs,

bailout struggling homeowners whose house is worth less than they owe for it (which could have been done for much less than the banks got),

give tax subsidies to companies that pay their workers well above minimum wage and provide benefits,

reinstate Glass-Steagal and break up the big banks,

put an annual tax on wealth held over 100 million dollars and even more at 1 billion dollars if it's not being invested or used for any purchases that put money back in the economy.

You have to legislate against greed. I'd be fine with the church helping out with that one.

Every extravagance has a price. Every yacht is robbing a child somewhere of food. We don't need everyone being rich, but we can afford a baseline of food, medical care and shelter for people who work hard, which is most people. We could feed everyone. We choose not to.


I like your Ideas and I'd like to add and expand some.

How about a worldwide minimum wage, or a worldwide standard of living. This should mean more jobs in the US and less pollution from shipping. Unfortunately the standard may have to be somewhat different than the typical American way of life. Not necessarily worse, just different than what many are used to.

Become a producer instead of a consumer. Grow your own food. Make your own clothes and recycle anything if you can find a use for it. Buy used goods from craigslist and thrift stores. It's generally not feasible for most to completely drop out of the system, but you can live comfortably on the edges of it.

Participate in your community. Volunteer for police, firefighters, community gardens, homeless centers etc. Especially with austerity/sequester we should get used making these activities part of life in the community. Also, it seems that people are trained to be fearful of their neighbors. Instead we should work with and trade goods and services with our neighbors. Imagine a nation of self sustaining communities networked together sharing goods and ideas.

I agree that greed is a problem - maybe the main problem. However, I don't think that the church is a good choice to legislate against greed.
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:37 PM
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On the sweatshops deal, how would tariffs cause them to magically disappear? Would you suggest these people starve instead of having a job? I'm pretty sure it's central planning within the countries which have sweatshops that allow their existence. If we had import tariffs with these countries, wouldn't it incentivize these companies to pay their employees even less?

As for the outsourcing of our jobs, well which ones? People like to talk about how the US has lost manufacturing jobs, but do you know to whom? Robots. We have had a steady increase in production in the US for decades. 1/3 of the jobs were lost to automation. In the process of outsourcing the most dirty industries, we reduced our pollution over the country, and improved health outcomes.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Blarneystoner
 


The playing field is never level.
No two people are equal.
No matter how you try to regulate everyone's life, some will always do better than others.

You are the one that does not seem to be grounded in reality. Many people live a full and happy life. Some are affluent some are not. I don't think that determines happiness.

I think that even if you took the wealth away from the top 5% you would not elevate the bottom 10% for long.


Haha. You did a 180 degree turn from what you previously told blarneystoner. Do you listen and comprehend what is posted? You disagreed with him, then you agree with him BUT you still tell him off.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by nomnom
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


On the sweatshops deal, how would tariffs cause them to magically disappear? Would you suggest these people starve instead of having a job? I'm pretty sure it's central planning within the countries which have sweatshops that allow their existence. If we had import tariffs with these countries, wouldn't it incentivize these companies to pay their employees even less?

As for the outsourcing of our jobs, well which ones? People like to talk about how the US has lost manufacturing jobs, but do you know to whom? Robots. We have had a steady increase in production in the US for decades. 1/3 of the jobs were lost to automation. In the process of outsourcing the most dirty industries, we reduced our pollution over the country, and improved health outcomes.


I think most people do not like automation and might eventually crash the system just for that. As for lack of tariffs american companies are the ones taking advantage of the asian low standard of living much more than asian firms are. People have been told to stay away from knock-offs for various oversensationalised reasons. Sure asian quality is much inferior to american and european standards but if those "knock-offs" were availabe wall street greed would be out of luck. The american government knows it, chineese government knows it and has been paid off, everyone pretends globalism is one happy merry-go-round BUT IT AIN'T!

It was no coincidence WTO meetings failed on the surface because people understood back then that globalism meant corporate imperialism of the developed nations over the undeveloped nations was unfair and would eventually fail.
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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I think we agree on a lot of points here. The corporate oligarchy is certainly gaming all of us peasants. Free trade does allow for the developed countries to take advantage of the developing countries low standards of living.

Where we disagree is on automation, for starters. In my view, robotics must continue, but what needs to change is the socio-economic paradigm. We no longer need to run under assumptions that to be a decent human being means to "work" a 40+ hour job, usually within a corporation. If we are entering a period of technological superiority to the average man's skill capabilities, then society should be rewarded. People should still contribute however they see fit, in the culture and arts, else if they have the mind in the sciences and high tech.

I think there's many systems which must be revamped in order to go through this century without having complete collapse or "depopulation" that may not be necessary. What seems to coincide with this all is the destruction of the environment. That plays into consumerism for the sake of consuming. It makes little sense these days.

We need to take out the oligarchs before they take us out. How we go about that is what this site is about. Nobody seems to have a clear answer to all of humanities problems. At least we're able to talk this through civilly right now.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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I dont disagree that the system has broken. I just dont have a problem with the idea of wealth being clustered in a limited number of individuals. Provided the system in place facilitates mobility and independance.

What my biggest problem with these kinds of rants and the folks who respond is that they fail to see the true root of the problem. How do the wealthy maintain their grip on the controls? They see that the problem is money and they think that the way to limit the power the wealthy have is to limit money or steal it from the wealthy. They see corporations doing the same thing and think the way to limit them is break them up or steal their money. Money in and of itself is not the basis for the power. Its a fuel for it yes but the power itself is the problem. The wealthy use money to purchase influence. Who do they influence?
Politicians, ie the government. The problem is that the government has the power, the wealthy just pay to use it.
The majority of those responding to these kinds of threads have no problem with the power itself they just have a problem with how its being used.
There is a greater evil there if you look at it for what it is.
What power does government have? The power to ruin you at best or kill you at worst. if you limit that power. Take it away from politicians and put it back into the hands of people who truely understand liberty and freedom then all the money the wealthy have could not be used to buy political influence on the free market. Sure they could continue to buy their independance and security but they would have a limited ability to place boundries in the way of others building for themselves.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Blarneystoner
 


The playing field is never level.
No two people are equal.
No matter how you try to regulate everyone's life, some will always do better than others.


You're jumping to conclusions. I haven't offered any solutions to the problem. I don't think anyone's life should be regulated. I'm merely pointing out that a disparity exists and if something isn't done to reverse the trend it will (and probably already has) spell disaster for everyone... not just the poor.... everyone... which includes you.


You are the one that does not seem to be grounded in reality. Many people live a full and happy life. Some are affluent some are not. I don't think that determines happiness.


Please show me where I stated that wealth equals happiness. ...and you don't know me man. You don't know anything about the realities of my existence. Please try to remain on topic.


I think that even if you took the wealth away from the top 5% you would not elevate the bottom 10% for long.


...again you're assuming too much. I'm not saying that the wealth should be taken away from anyone. However, I do think that the opportunities to gain wealth should be expanded.

If you're arguing your points from the perspective that I'm endorsing a Socialist solution, than you're way off base.
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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How do you expand opportunities to gain wealth?

Why wouldn't these opportunities be taken by people that would have gained wealth anyway?



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 04:15 PM
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Call me crazy all you want but I still stand on my idea that money itself is what we need to get rid of.
Yes human nature is a big part of the equation but money is always been there constantly throughout history maybe we should grow out of that. We need a new way of doing things. Only a crazy person tries the same things over and over and expect a different result. Systems fail where money is used period, look at history for proof.

People cannot imagine what they don't know. When I say this idea to people they say it is impossible. We never ever tried it. Its one of the things that has been constant in history and NO EMPIRE has lived to tell the tale themselves. I say we should give it a chance. Money is made by humans and nature doesn't need it.

I know this will pose new challenges. Challenges like: sharing, caring, WORKING HARD and innovation. Right now it's caring for ones bank account, sharing profits with nobody if possible, making others work hard and innovate ways to make more money without working hard and without sharing knowledge or wealth. Upside down. Jesus was on to something when he was pissed at the money changers. There is a God and all the money in the world wont change that! You can ego trip all you want about how money is so essential. Answer this: Can you eat money? Can you wear it when it's cold? Can you live in it? We live to work for money to get food and shelter and clothes, so we can laugh with a family and some friends. Remove money from the previous sentence, Is that impossible?
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edit on 5-3-2013 by bitsforbytes because: I am still human



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
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How do you expand opportunities to gain wealth?

Why wouldn't these opportunities be taken by people that would have gained wealth anyway?



I'm glad you asked....

~ Protect Unions - Workers have the right to organize and the right to collective bargaining.

~ Provide Quality Education - It's no secret that lower income communities also have the lowest quality publicly funded education. One of the first things to be cut by the Fed as a result of the Sequester will be education.... estimated to be a 4 billion dollar cut. In the mean time, corporate welfare is still a reality.

~ Raise the Minimum Wage - I'm assuming you watched the video... the disparity between executive level pay and the average worker is as wide as the Grand Canyon.... not just minimum wage employees... we're talking about folks who make 50 - 75K a year. Anyonne making min wage and working 40 hrs a week is living well below the poverty line.

~ Eliminate Incentives for Corporations to outsource overseas - Do we really need to give tax breaks to companies that move equipment and people overseas? This... by the way... was part of the US Jobs Bill that the GOP killed last year. If passed, it would have elimintated the tax breaks and provided incentives for companies to move production back to US soil.

Should I go on? I haven't even mentioned corporate regulations....

Hoestly... this is becoming teadious...




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