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The Genesis Apocryphon, one of the texts uncovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls, also contains references to the angels interbreeding with human women. In this text, a conversation between Lamech, the father of Noah, and his wife Bathenosh is detailed. Lamech questions his wife because he thinks that the conception of Noah was due to either an angel or one of their offspring, a nephilim. The Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, and the Genesis Apocryphon all clearly show that the common understanding at the time of Yeshua was that the fallen host had committed fornication with women in the period before the Flood. As stated previously, many early Christian writers accepted the story told in Enoch as fact. Let's examine the writings of two of them, beginning with Justin Martyr, who lived from 110 CE to 165 CE. Here is what he had to say in chapter 5 of his Second Apology, entitled ""How the Angels Transgressed": God, when He had made the whole world, and subjected things earthly to man, and arranged the heavenly elements for the increase of fruits and rotation of the seasons, and appointed this divine law – for these things also He evidently made for man – committed the care of men and of all things under heaven to angels whom He appointed over them. But the angels transgressed this appointment, and were captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they enslaved by lustful passions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate needs, and all wickedness. . . . (p. 363, vol. 1, The Ante-Nicene Fathers)
The idea that the nephilim or giants were the offspring of the fallen host and human females was not unique to Judaism. This understanding was likely behind the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian mythologies, as well as those of India and the near east. All these beliefs resulted not as mere inventions of fertile human imagination, but as a corruption of antediluvian truths which were distorted as their origin was forgotten over time. Take, for example, the legend of the Titans. In Greek mythology, the Titans were a family of giant gods who were the offspring of Uranus (heaven) and Gaea (earth). The most famous of the Titans was Cronus, who killed his father. Cronus later led the Titans in their losing war against Zeus and the Olympian gods. After their defeat, the Titans were imprisoned in a section of the underworld called Tartarus. In his second epistle, the apostle Peter uses part of this Greek myth to explain the fate of some of the fallen angels. He states that for their sins, these angels had been tartarosas, which The NKJV Greek English Interlinear New Testament translates literally as "confining them to Tartarus" (also known in the Bible as "the Abyss"): II PETER 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell [tartarosas] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; (NKJV)
I'm not familiar with there being a time limit on the indwelling of the spirit. There is no "actual physical second coming" that I am aware of.
You have obviously been indoctrinated into a militaristic cult, which is that way, and so invented by its creators, to give its adherents the war-like spirit to cheer on the murders of modern so-called Israel against the hapless rightful inhabitants of Palestine.
And what of the Greek mythology? Does anyone see how some of the myths tie in to the Biblical texts/myth?
Originally posted by Night Star
I don't know about that. I have seen so many amazingly wonderful people go through so much crap in their life that it pratically breaks their spirit, their will to live. They didn't deserve such things to happen. What is anyone to learn from feeling so depressed and hopeless?
I do read the Bible.
. . . you don't read or understand the Old Testament or the book of Revelation . . .
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by MamaJ
And what of the Greek mythology? Does anyone see how some of the myths tie in to the Biblical texts/myth?
Absolutely. I think that's why we saw so much killing in the Old Testament.
I think back in that day, there was a war of the gods and their people/followers and survival was all about either kill or be killed.
Just like today, God allows people to choose their own fate based on who they choose to follow.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by windword
Notice, it doesn't say, "from this time forward". It says, "so is everyone born in the spirit."
You left out an important word when you requoted this.
"so is everyone THAT IS born of the spirit."
Meaning, not everyone is born of the spirit.
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Revelation 20:5 says that the rest of the dead had not been raised yet.
There will be a physical second coming that brings in the Millennial reign.
The spirit makes you alive.
As for the indwelling of the Spirit, when we're all together living with God, we won't need the Spirit to help us because we'll already be living with God in his new kingdom and we'll be experiencing him directly.
The purpose of the Holy Spirit was to keep us close to God until we go to be with him.
The spirit makes you alive.
According to Paul, there is a natural spirit that eventually leads to death.
Then there is a spirit that comes from God that leads to life, in that we now live for God.
So, there were real gods back in the Old Testament times and that is why killing whole populations of people who were following those "real" gods was justified?
I think back in that day, there was a war of the gods and their people/followers and survival was all about either kill or be killed.
I must have missed that.
I think we have established that Paul was a liar and a cheat. Unless you can prove he wasn't? That his word is reliable?
Revelation 20:5 says that the rest of the dead had not been raised yet.
So, there were real gods back in the Old Testament times and that is why killing whole populations of people who were following those "real" gods was justified?
I must have missed that.
What thread was that 'established' in?
I don't think that I have to 'prove' the negative of what I consider to be mere unfounded accusations.
If there was going to be a "evolution of perception", it would have happened already.
I'm also sorry that you cling to the 'god' that Jesus came to free us from.