How Father teaches all so that all may learn

reply to post by Twix404

Originally posted by Twix404

Here's my example: I am in college. To escape the place of prestige that I am at would be to destroy nearly everything I have worked for. The college I belong to is only 25% female. Half of that number know not how to show emotions, and the other half are taken. So yeah I keep ending up near the same type of girls, what kind of lesson is that?

Is Father trying to teach me to be gay perhaps?

You can't be "Taught" to be gay - the attraction is there or it isn't - unless someone is actually bisexual but don't want to admit it.

As to the original poster

I have a question about "The Heavenly Father". What would he suggest? People be accepting believing everything is perfect and they should just allow and accept since he is taking care of everything, OR, that WE change the world by being compassionate and caring and following our hearts with joy. I ask this because a lot of people who say they gained "enlightenment" seem to become uncaring, and the excuse is "everything is perfect since God is taking care of all". Should we SEE the world as being perfect and taken care of or should we ACT by changing things through our compassion?

Also, what about "The Heavenly Mother" how does she fit into all of this?

reply to post by arpgme

I have a question about "The Heavenly Father". What would he suggest? People be accepting believing everything is perfect and they should just allow and accept since he is taking care of everything, OR, that WE change the world by being compassionate and caring and following our hearts with joy.

The latter is preferred.

Should we SEE the world as being perfect and taken care of or should we ACT by changing things through our compassion?

All should act by changing things through compassion. Mother is the one who made sure I had compassion while watching my interactions daily.

Also, what about "The Heavenly Mother" how does she fit into all of this?

Mother is the superior to all the females of above. She is also the one whom gives all their emotions whom come into the physical, and they return to her when your time is finished here. Her and Father are equal.

reply to post by jhill76


Without emotions experience seems pointless. Without emotions there is no intention or desire to do anything. The emotion is the joy of succeeding in a goal. Without emotions there is no point or individuality - there is no life.

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by jhill76

 

Without emotions experience seems pointless. Without emotions there is no intention or desire to do anything. The emotion is the joy of succeeding in a goal. Without emotions there is no point or individuality - there is no life.

This is true for here. Above, they have no emotions, besides love, and there is loyalty on carrying out orders. Emotions get in the way from above doing what is needed to be done.

Man is built to run off of their emotions.
Above is built to run off of what is needed to get the task done.

reply to post by arpgme

You can't be "Taught" to be gay - the attraction is there or it isn't - unless someone is actually bisexual but don't want to admit it.

This is true.

Many are of this way because their spirit is the opposite sex of the physical body.

Originally posted by Thought Provoker
I have a little insight to add, if people can accept it. It's a story from the book of John, the start of chapter 9...

As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

"Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."

This heavily hints at reincarnation.

No, it does not.

It speaks to three Jewish beliefs -- that physical deformities were (possible) punishments from God, that the sins of the father could be visited on the child, and that God is omniscient. So the disciples were asking about the man himself, because God's omniscience meant that he knew the man was a sinner before he was born and thus cursed him (read Psalm 139, it's spelled out quite clearly there.)

Reincarnation was not a Jewish belief (apart from some minority mystics) -- they believed that you died and that was it (the Sadducees) or were punished for a bit and then resurrected at some point (everyone else.) If Jesus actually taught reincarnation, he would have done so openly and clearly, not hinting around at it.

Wow, this makes such perfect sense, let's apply it to a child with AIDS, starving in Africa.

Originally posted by jhill76

For example, you keeping thinking to yourself, when will I find my soul mate, or the one whom is meant for me. Again, Father knows best. So, he will not send you said person, and you cause the relationship to faulter, because of some insecurity or infidelity. He will therefore put many in your path that you will have to learn from, these are considered temporaries. As the saying goes, some are in your life for a season, for a reason, that statement holds very much weight. The two he has brought together will both learn from each other, and use what has been learned into the relationship with their soul mate.

He keeps thinking to himself, when will I find some food? Why won't God send me food? God knows best, of course! He will not send him food because of some insecurity he has. So the poor little boy and his AIDS and starvation have been put together so they can learn from eachother.

All the boy has to do is figure out what his insecurity is and he'll be cured and his family fed.

Praise the heavenly father in his infinite wisdom.

Originally posted by jhill76

Another example, is when you have a good job, and you have the resources to help and assist others in need. One day comes along and your sister comes to you and asks you for $300 because she is short on her rent. But, you tell her no you do not have it, but you do indeed have it, but you have not intentions of giving it to her. (Granted, you may have that sister that borrows money all of the time, but this is not that type of example).

Precisely. This is why I never send money to starving Africans. You give them food once and they just want more. They never learn. You heal their AIDS and next thing you know they have some other disease due to poor life decisions.

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Interesting I didn't realize god is/was a socialist.

He's not. He's a capitalist.

reply to post by humphreysjim

He keeps thinking to himself, when will I find some food? Why won't God send me food? God knows best, of course! He will not send him food because of some insecurity he has. So the poor little boy and his AIDS and starvation have been put together so they can learn from eachother.

Some are here for the others to learn. So, some have to go through certain things to teach the others to assist. Father creates not only good, but also the bad, as human perception sees it.

The starving child in Africa could be helped by man, but man would rather focus on his own needs.

reply to post by jhill76

Some are here for the others to learn. So, some have to go through certain things to teach the others to assist. Father creates not only good, but also the bad, as human perception sees it.

The starving child in Africa could be helped by man, but man would rather focus on his own needs.

So what were these lessons?

Did you know, for example, that God:
Forced friends and family to kill each other for dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf?
Burned Aaron's sons to death for offering him strange fire?
Burned complainers to death, forced the survivors to eat quail until it literally came out their noses, sent "fiery serpents" to bite people for complaining about the lack of food and water, and killed 14,700 for complaining about his killings?
Buried alive those that opposed Moses (along with their families)?
Burned 250 men to death for burning incense?
Rewarded Phinehas for throwing a spear though the bellies of an inter-tribal couple while they were having sex? Ordered, assisted in, or approved of dozens of complete genocides?
Accepted human sacrifice in the cases of Jephthah's daughter and Saul's seven sons?
Helped Samson murder thirty men for their clothes, slaughter 1000 with the jawbone of an ass, and kill 3000 civilians in a a suicide terrorist attack?
Smote the Philistines of several cities with hemorrhoids in their secret parts?
Killed a man for trying to keep the ark of the covenant from falling and 50,070 for looking into the ark?
Approved when David bought his first wife with 200 Philistine foreskins?
Killed King Saul for not killing every Amalekite as he told him to do? Slowly killed a baby to punish King David for committing adultery? Killed 70,000 because David had a census that he (or Satan) told him to do? Sent a lion to kill a prophet for believing another prophet's lie, another lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet, and some more lions to kill people that didn't fear him enough? Killed 450 religious leaders who lost a prayer contest with Elijah and burned 102 men to death for asking Elijah to come down from his hill? Sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of Elisha's bald head? Killed 27,000 Syrians by having a wall fall on them, sent an angel to kill 185,000 sleeping soldiers, interfered in human battles to kill a half million Israelite and a million Ethiopian soldiers? Killed King Ahab for not killing a captured king, and then sent King Jehu on a series of mass murders to kill all of Ahab's family and friends who had ever "pissed against a wall?"
Killed Jehoram by making his bowels fall out? Killed Job's ten children in a bet with Satan?
Killed Ezekiel's wife and told him not to mourn her?
Killed Ananias and Sapphira for not giving Peter all their money?
Killed King Herod by feeding him to worms?

www.drunkwithblood.com...

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Did Father himself order all of these, or did man think it was Father telling them to do these things?

reply to post by adjensen

If Jesus actually taught reincarnation, he would have done so openly and clearly, not hinting around at it.

What if Jesus taught reincarnation but they didn't understand what he meant... and interpreted what he said about it wrong?

Verily I say unto you my friend... Ye must be born again... but marvel not that I say this...

Just as the wind bloweth where it will, and ye hear the sound of it, but know not where it comes from... the same is he that is born again... what is born of flesh is flesh, and what is born of spirit is spirit...

Except a man be born of flesh and spirit he will not enter the kingdom of God... yet those that are headed to said place have been there before... and they will go in and out because they know the way

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen

 

If Jesus actually taught reincarnation, he would have done so openly and clearly, not hinting around at it.

What if Jesus taught reincarnation but they didn't understand what he meant... and interpreted what he said about it wrong?

So you think that Jesus was a lousy teacher? He taught foreign concepts, didn't bother explaining it very well, and was content to allow people to completely misunderstand him?

Verily I say unto you my friend... Ye must be born again... but marvel not that I say this...

Just as the wind bloweth where it will, and ye hear the sound of it, but know not where it comes from... the same is he that is born again... what is born of flesh is flesh, and what is born of spirit is spirit...

Proof positive that he wasn't talking about reincarnation -- being born of the flesh doesn't do anything for you, you must be born of the Holy Spirit.

reply to post by adjensen

So you think that Jesus was a lousy teacher? He taught foreign concepts, didn't bother explaining it very well, and was content to allow people to completely misunderstand him?

It wasn't a foreign concept... it was known in Judaism, and yes I know you'll go on about it being a "mystic" concept but surely the mainstream religion knew of "mystic beliefs"

And no I don't think he was a lousy teacher... but he did have lousy students who didn't understand what he was saying a lot of the time. Though it was hardly their fault... they knew what they were taught...

Jesus turned their beliefs on their heads...

Proof positive that he wasn't talking about reincarnation -- being born of the flesh doesn't do anything for you, you must be born of the Holy Spirit.

We are born of the flesh and the spirit, but most don't realize this...

People misunderstood what he was saying on the regular...

I've thrown this at you before and you didn't respond...

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

We both believe.... better yet we KNOW our loved ones are there...

How did they get there if they haven't already been before?

reply to post by Akragon

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

I'm not sure what you're reading into that, because it's pretty clear that Jesus is saying that he (God) is the only one who has been to heaven. The Judaic belief, as well as the Christian one, is that everyone who died before Christ was resurrected was in "Abraham's Bosom", a part of Sheol. An early church belief (no longer commonly held) is that, during the three days he was dead, Christ was "Harrowing Hell", preaching the Gospel to those in Sheol, and at his resurrection, he opened the gates to Heaven and all those in Abraham's Bosom were allowed in, after him.

Did anyone ascend into heaven before Jesus or not?

How did they get there if they haven't already been before?

They are brought there by God.

reply to post by adjensen

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

I'm not sure what you're reading into that, because it's pretty clear that Jesus is saying that he (God) is the only one who has been to heaven

Brother is saying no "man" has gone into heaven before he decides whom will have access in. The key word here is man. There are many that have come before from above here, that have returned as well. But, man does not have this privilege, only those whom have come from above.

For example: Abraham, Enoch, etc.

reply to post by adjensen

I'm not sure what you're reading into that, because it's pretty clear that Jesus is saying that he (God) is the only one who has been to heaven.

I don't think im reading into it at all... what he says is very clear... and I don't believe your interpretation is correct...

The son of man is a term used all through out the bible and Judaic scripture, and they didn't believe he was God as you do... Nor were they referring to him in almost all cases... Take a look at how many were called "the son of man" it wasn't only Jesus... And of course lets not forget Jesus didn't refer to himself as God either, but lets not go down that road.

The Judaic belief, as well as the Christian one, is that everyone who died before Christ was resurrected was in "Abraham's Bosom", a part of Sheol

Nothing in the bible refers to Abrahams bosom as Sheol... unless you do exactly what you accuse me of... which would be reading into it...

As for that link... You probably should have read it before linking it...

The answer is simple when you understand the Jewish concept of the universe. They believed in three heavens. The first was the atmosphere where the trees, clouds, and birds are. The second is the realm of the stars, planets, sun, and moon. And the third heaven was the very dwelling place of God.

Of course, the son of God wouldn't know a little more then Jewish prophets and scribes... correct?

20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

and of course...

Matthew 6:26
Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

In the Old Testament in Genesis 5 and 2 Kings 2 above, they were not taken into the very dwelling place of God, but into the heavens; that is, they were taken up into the sky.

perhaps Thomas said it better? Since I know you like gnostic scripture... at least a little...

3 Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

Exactly where is in debate. It isn't until after the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ were those who had died before, in faith, taken into the highest heaven. Ephesians 4:8 is often referred to as a supporting scripture for this belief. It says, "When He ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives, and He gave gifts to men."

Ya but what does paul know... aside from understanding love... since the author of that site likes to use the word simplicity... the simple answer, is NOTHING...

Furthermore, when Paul said he was caught up to the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2), he was referring to the very dwelling place of God.

So using this persons logic, combined with your statement... There were very few people in heaven before Jesus came... and one of the first admitted was Paul?!?!

What a joke... You can't be serious...

Now Job's statement here....

20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,

21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.

Has nothing to do with reincarnation either right?

Even though Jesus said this

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Which is an obvious parallel?

reply to post by jhill76

Did Father himself order all of these, or did man think it was Father telling them to do these things?

Does anyone ever really know the answer to that question? Can we ever really tell if we're lying to ourselves? Especially if it's something we wish was the truth?

Can we really trust ourselves that much? I don't think so. Emotional security is a psychological need - particularly in times of strife, when emotional security is pushed to the limit. Any lie will do if it helps us survive the day. And considering everything happens inside of our head, the truth doesn't really matter anyway. It's easier to lie than it is to be honest these days. And who stands to lose the most if they are revealed to be liars? Who stands to lose the most from the exposure of the truth?

That's right...people selling salvation in a book. And according to that book, those atrocities occurred exactly as quoted. Hence, the great and mighty god of Abraham is a murderer. To see murder coming and do nothing to prevent it, to even endorse it by your inaction, is the same as committing it y your own hand. You engineered every part of it - literally, everything about it - therefore, you are the judge, jury, and executioner. He obviously didn't feel too bad about killing those people, or he would have avoided it. He would have prevented it.

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by arpgme

 

You can't be "Taught" to be gay - the attraction is there or it isn't - unless someone is actually bisexual but don't want to admit it.

This is true.

Many are of this way because their spirit is the opposite sex of the physical body.

Their CURRENT spirit form is within an opposing gender identified human body; their LAST spirit form was in one corresponding. There are many catalysts for this, one could be they had an axe to grind or fix that flawed thinking in this present one. Karmic reversal transformation= Gay now for the reasons; discriminated against gays in a past life form, had a gay son or daughter or sibling. Had a gay dog, who knows.

reply to post by Akragon


Have you ever read "The Apocryphon or Secret Revelation of John" (~ 120 to 180 CE; II, 1; III, 1 and IV, 1 and BG 2)

www.gnosis.org...

There are sooooo many ancient texts that speak about before we were in the flesh and how we come back and forth in the flesh that one really has to be against the notion to discard all the writings that do in fact speak about reincarnation or as I like to call it, reformation.

I know certain posters would never change their mind, so I don't even bother to try and push my views. I guess it is all about perception and how the texts speak to the reader.

I see it in the Bible and many other ancient texts and wonder how others can deny it or perhaps have another perception when it speaks loud and clear to me. Is it only for certain few to know and understand? I just don't know.... I do know what Jesus has taught me and reincarnation is one of his teachings.

We have to learn through the many forms, trials and tribulations through matter. This is what I think this thread is all about. We live... and we learn.

By chance if you have not yet read the link, do so. Its another view to ponder.