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I want to be a CHEMTRAIL DEBUNKER

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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
And if I find your "fact" is not true or cannot actually be supported I am going to say so.


Who ever said that you could not? Sound's like you got a personal issue to work out.

Don't allow my opinion on chemtrails to control you so much. ~$heopleNation
edit on 7-3-2013 by SheopleNation because: TypO




posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
And if I find your "fact" is not true or cannot actually be supported I am going to say so.


Who ever said that you could not? Sound's like you got a personal issue to work out.


no-one said I could not -where did I say anyone did??


Don't allow my opinion on chemtrails to control you so much.


thanks for the clearance boss......

When are you goign to show us some of the photos of these planes that dwarf all Jet Aitliners - or perhaps jsut admit that you only had a passing interest in the truth when you wrote that?



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by waynos
Why do you consider it to be 'putting your name' behind it?


Because I do. I never link to other websites such as those because I know how quickly it can turn into a trap, or even validate the oppositions opinion. No thanks.


All you would be doing would be pointing out one or two images that led you to believe what you do about chemtrail planes and if I can clear up any misconception I would be happy to, if I can't, then I just cant. What could possibly be problematic about that?


I am sure that you could, you seem to know a lot about aviation. So it should not be a problem for you to do it yourself being that the images are just a search and a click away.


This would be nothing to do with your wider belief, or about anything else on the site. Just the pictures.


I understand what you're requesting, and I admire your persistence, but it is not in my best interest to do so. You need to come to the realization that it's not going to happen. I will however continue to give my opinions on the subject of chemtrails. ~$heopleNation



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by fireyaguns
You are doubted.

Another claim to working in the field. Evergreen you say, please provide some proof of your claim because just saying "LOOK I worked there" or "I saw it" and so on is delusion wouldn't you agree.

Maybe you have your time sheets and login dates, payslips, bank statements, the aeroplanes you worked on and how often, other workers you worked besides , your bosses name, what your job discipline was and what you actually did do.

I can answer some of that, but not all. You're asking for some really silly stuff that I'd be utterly insane to post on a public forum.


Aeroplanes you worked on and how often

Boeing 727-100 & 200's.... Multiple flights daily.
Boeing 737-100, 200, 300.... Multiple flights daily.
DC-9's & MD-80's.... Multiple Flights daily.
Boeing 757's.... Normally one per day.
Boeing 767's.... Maybe once per week.
Being 777's.... One per week, seasonal.
Airbus A300, A320, A330... One per week, seasonal.
Airbus A340.... One flight per day.
L1011's.... One or two flights per week, seasonal.
DC-10's.... One or two flights per week, seasonal.
Boeing 747's.... One or two per week, seasonal.
Dash-8's... Multiple daily.

Other aircraft that I've worked on for various reasons:
C-130 Royal Canadian Guard
F-16's from the 56th Fighter wing.
F-4
BA's Concord
Lufthansa B747 Cargo Combi
B-17 the 'Memphis Bell'

Off the top of my head... I worked either as a contractor or employee for:
Continental Airlines
British Airways
Bar harbor Airlines
American West Airlines
Midway Airlines
Spirit Airlines
Braniff
Air Canada
Canadian
Mexicana
Cayman Airways
Lufthansa/Condor
Air Jamaica
American Trans Air
...And Evergreen International

I also fueled and ran push-backs for every airlines you can possibly name, and some you've most likely never heard of.


what your job discipline was and what you actually did do.

I worked in various positions over my years there, starting out as a ramp agent, fueler, becoming a lead agent, training lead agent, and finally a ramp supervisor.

As far as what I did, I did everything involved with loading, balancing, fueling, servicing, and overseeing aircraft during their time on the ground. Ramp agents do the physical labor, Lead agents oversee individual flights, supervisors oversee entire ramp operations.

As far as the rest is concerned...
You are welcome to doubt me, but I will not be posting that sort of personal information on a public website. However, that said, there is one other member who worked for the same airline company I did, one who is a Pilot that used to fly through our station, and one other staff member who was a flight attendant for the same airlines. I have shared some photos with the other staff members, including ones I took on the Concord, so you may feel free to ask one of them for verification if you wish.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
no-one said I could not -where did I say anyone did??


Well then why did you say that if you find that my "fact" is not true or that It cannot actually be supported, that you're going to say so? Not very consistent now are you?


thanks for the clearance boss


You don't need my permission for anything.


When are you goign to show us some of the photos of these planes that dwarf all Jet Aitliners - or perhaps jsut admit that you only had a passing interest in the truth when you wrote that?


Never, and images of these possible chemtrail spraying Aircraft are all over the internet. It would be impossible to prove if they are what the person who runs the website says they are, so why would I do that? What, so I can listen to more of your finger pointing mindless garble?

I think not bro. ~$heopleNation
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation
[I am sure that you could, you seem to know a lot about aviation. So it should not be a problem for you to do it yourself being that the images are just a search and a click away.


I can't find any such images in google, bing or yahoo using variations of "large" secret" "plane" and "chemtrails" - what search engine what terms do you use to find them?



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul


thanks for the clearance boss


You don't need my permission for anything.


thanks for that boss.



When are you goign to show us some of the photos of these planes that dwarf all Jet Aitliners - or perhaps jsut admit that you only had a passing interest in the truth when you wrote that?


Never, and images of these possible chemtrail spraying Aircraft are all over the internet. It would be impossible to prove if they are what the person who runs the website says they are, so why would I do that?



no one has asked you to prove anything about the website or the claims on it - just to identify where the photos are located.


What, so I can listen to more of your finger pointing mindless garble?


No - so you can be honest.


I think not bro


I think not too.


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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Painfulhead
The only thing I cant swallow is related to “Under certain conditions” and as I chew on this bit I will try and find a way to question this with your same attitude as you have shown.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


By “under certain conditions” I mean the temperature and humidity levels at the altitude and air mass that the aircraft is flying through. Again, when the airlines started to mothball the old low bypass aircraft like the 727's, and started going to higher bypass ratios like 737's, 57's, Airbusses, etc... More contrails started to form across wider atmospheric conditions. Studies have been done proving this to be a contributing cause (as well as increased air traffic in general) to the extra contrails that are being observed. Here is a photo from one such test:


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:08 PM
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To avoid confusion, it should be pointed out that this applies to conditions which are marginal for the production contrails. It has no bearing on persistence which is determined by the humidity level.

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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
I can't find any such images in google, bing or yahoo using variations of "large" secret" "plane" and "chemtrails" - what search engine what terms do you use to find them?


Try searching chemtrail aircraft photos.


It just so happens that the first one listed is the chemtrail debunking website that tsurfer2000h posted a link to here in this very thread. So you can ignore that one. Good website though. ~$heopleNation



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
I think not too.


Well you and I finally agree on something.

Even if it's not that Chemtrails exist.
~$heopleNation



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:15 PM
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it should not be a problem for you to do it yourself being that the images are just a search and a click away.


It never has been before, each and every time I quickly saw why a given image was being misrepresented.
Me doing it again, just for myself, would not tell me which images you meant, would it. But I get it, you don't want any fallacy in your preconception to be exposed to you, you simply want to continue to believe. Carry on, its a free choice you are making. I prefer to know what is bull and what is real when I am forming an opinion.


I understand what you're requesting, and I admire your persistence, but it is not in my best interest to do so.


Not in your best interest to have images identified with sources to support the identification? I genuinely don't understand why that wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. However I respect your refusal to collaborate on here as your own choice. I just find it a very odd one when you choose to go with disinfo over truth






posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:16 PM
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I am sure that you could, you seem to know a lot about aviation. So it should not be a problem for you to do it yourself being that the images are just a search and a click away.

How can you expect someone else to know which pictures led YOU to believe chemtrails exist?



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:24 PM
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Maybe he just means that every picture the search brings up is believable to him and there are no specific ones? At least that's the conclusion I was left with from that statement.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by waynos

It never has been before, each and every time I quickly saw why a given image was being misrepresented.
Me doing it again, just for myself, would not tell me which images you meant, would it. But I get it, you don't want any fallacy in your preconception to be exposed to you, you simply want to continue to believe.


You can attempt to tell me what I don't want, or what I do want to do, but that doesn't make your assumption valid.


Carry on, its a free choice you are making. I prefer to know what is bull and what is real when I am forming an opinion.


Thank you for your blessing.


Not in your best interest to have images identified with sources to support the identification? I genuinely don't understand why that wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. However I respect your refusal to collaborate on here as your own choice. I just find it a very odd one when you choose to go with disinfo over truth.


If I chose to post those images, that would be choosing to go with possible disinfo over the possible truth. You just don't get it, and that's ok.




Calm down now. It's really not that big of a deal. ~$heopleNation
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
How can you expect someone else to know which pictures led YOU to believe chemtrails exist?


How can you expect me to answer that question when you did not even bother to read this entire thread?

Try doing that next time and maybe you will notice that I never claimed that those pitcures led me to believe chemtrails exist. What I clearly stated was that what I seen above me with my own two eyes is what led me to that conclusion. ~$heopleNation



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by bluestorm
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"about the fact that there is no such thing as “chemtrails” at this point in time."

this is an assumption not a fact, you simply do no know the make up of all contrail cirrus being made by all the different air traffic in our sky, even people in" the know" might not have this all knowing knowledge due to compartmentalism or clearance..
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Its not “assumption”, it's a fact....
Here are just a few reasons why it's a fact:
Logistics
I am intimately familiar with the logistics required to manufacture/refine, ship, store, and distribute “chemicals” to aircraft. JP being a prime example. The amount of logistical work involved in such an operation would exclude it from being done in secret.

FAA Regulations
All aircraft operating in “Class A” airspace must follow FAA regulations as that airspace is shared with other civilian aircraft. This includes the military, and even “Air Force One” is required to follow these procedures. If the military is going to do operations outside their “Military Operation Area” they MUST close the airspace with a restriction that is communicated to all civilian pilots, or they MUST fly by the same rules that everyone else has to follow. One of those rules is that they must file an IFR Flight Plan, which makes them visible to the public through flight following websites. Aircraft operating under 18K can fly VFR without a flight plan, but MUST remain a distance from the clouds, which excludes them from doing this supposed “Chemtrailing” activity. Only specialized aircraft are able to fly over Class A airspace, above 60K feet, which is the realm of your spy planes like the U2...

Personal Experience
Having witnessed my own aircraft leaving persistent contrails while knowing exactly what was loaded on them. Additionally, after years of working the airport you know the flight schedule and normal traffic by memory. As I lived north of the approach/departure to our airport, I used to see aircraft that I could identify as the normal scheduled flights leaving persistent contrails when the weather was right.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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If I chose to post those images, that would be choosing to go with possible disinfo over the possible truth. You just don't get it, and that's ok.


How would it?



posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
I can't find any such images in google, bing or yahoo using variations of "large" secret" "plane" and "chemtrails" - what search engine what terms do you use to find them?


Try searching chemtrail aircraft photos.


It just so happens that the first one listed is the chemtrail debunking website that tsurfer2000h posted a link to here in this very thread. So you can ignore that one. Good website though. ~$heopleNation


OK - well the 2nd one there is this page - which only shows drawings of a 747 and a twin engined aircraft that looks a lot like a 767. There's another link to the same article that is repeated on "Before its news"

The next one that isn't contrail science or metabunk is this site that has a photo of a French Airforce C-135FR "Stratotanker" refueling pod.

If these are the ones you mean then they don't look like anything that "dwarfs any Jet Airliner" to me - they are all fairly regular jet airlienrs!

And they are all debunked for you on Contrail Science and Metabunk that you are now aware of, so you won't have to worry about any secret massive aircraft.

See - that wasn't difficult.
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posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by waynos
How would it?


Because like I said before, it would be impossible to prove that what the owner, or posters of a said website posted, is truly a chemtrail spraying Aircraft.

If I can't back it up with factual evidence, I am certainly not gonna post it here at ATS. Or anywhere else for that matter.

Hope that helps. ~$heopleNation



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