Sharia gives a woman half the inheritance as that to a man

reply to post by mideast

I have no idea what you are trying to say. 'inherited by a book' ??
What does that statement have to do with women being abused by Sharia?
What does that have to do with you not listening to the facts?
I have no freak'n idea.

But I notice that you failed to address the serious problem Iran has with abuse of women.
I guess that's something your totalitarian government fails to tell you about.
Yet another fact that they sweep under the rug over there, eh??

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by mideast

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say. 'inherited by a book' ??
What does that statement have to do with women being abused by Sharia?
What does that have to do with you not listening to the facts?
I have no freak'n idea.

But I notice that you failed to address the serious problem Iran has with abuse of women.
I guess that's something your totalitarian government fails to tell you about.
Yet another fact that they sweep under the rug over there, eh??

1- I meant that Islamic Shariat is taken out from Qur'an (a book).

Books are generally used to educate people.

So Shariat follows the same principle that Qur'an is following.

So Men and Women should get educated both.

2-Don't you know that people can easily neglect the truth and do whatever they want ?

Muslims are no exception.

Some Muslims men do neglect the laws both inside and outside.

But does that have anything to do with Shariat ?

NO

reply to post by FlyersFan

i'l give you stats of secular countries maybe very close to your home where women are abused and raped and insulted, one woman every minute!! No matter how many of you muslim men get on this thread, sit in a circle and pat each other on the backs with stars, it doesn't change the fact that Sharia = bad for women. The only good rule of law for anyone is SECULAR. SECULAR law has a lower rate of abuse than Sharia. Secular law - devoid of someone else's silly religious laws. No one should have to be subjected to someone else's religious laws.

this was your reply to my quote in bold? Deflection?
Here's how well secular law is working in america
www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

One in four women (25%) has
experienced domestic violence in
her lifetime.

Between 600,000 and 6 million
women are victims of domestic
violence each year

Nearly three out of four (74%) of
Americans personally know
someone who is or has been a
victim of domestic violence. 30% of Americans say they know a woman
who has been physically abused by
her husband or boyfriend in the past
year.

Approximately one in five female high
school students reports being
physically and/or sexually abused by
a dating partner.

so is secular law really effective? Thats the best it can do?
More than 90,000 women were raped in usa in 2012,
thats about 10 per hour!!!
What is the cause of it? Punishment for rape not an effective deterent? I say lets chop off the head of rapists and watch the stats go down from 10/hr to 10/year, what do you say? Will sharia law saving 89,990 women from rape be good enough to make you look at sharia at least in a netural way?

reply to post by logical7

And the difference is that the women who suffer here have SECULAR LAW to help them ... they can escape the rapists .. they can escape their abusive husbands ... they can take care of themselves. That is NOT the case with Sharia.

Originally posted by mideast
1- I meant that Islamic Shariat is taken out from Qur'an (a book).
Books are generally used to educate people.

The Qu'ran doesn't educate anyone. It dumbs them down and subjugates women. It sets laws in place that are man made, even though the claim is otherwise. And the laws are bad for women. They are 1400+ years old and completely outdated. The Quran doesn't educate. It is backwards instead of forwards.

Some Muslims men do neglect the laws both inside and outside.
But does that have anything to do with Shariat ? NO

Yes it does have to do with Sharia. If a muslim man beats his wife or abuses her, and according to the statistics that happens a lot, then in Sharia the woman has no place to turn for help. She doesn't have the same legal rights .. she doesn't have an education or a job to be able to take care of herself. The woman is totally depending on the man, which is an AWFUL thing for her to be.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by logical7

 

And the difference is that the women who suffer here have SECULAR LAW to help them ... they can escape the rapists .. they can escape their abusive husbands ... they can take care of themselves. That is NOT the case with Sharia.

Sharia prevents abuse, rapes, mistreatment, a muslim man is obliged by religion to be best to his wife, some dont do it but then they are against sharia, if some christians in africa slaughter in the name of Jesus pbuh does that make him bad?
You suggest secular law and shelter homes as a cure not any way to stop it, a society like this will collapse unless it treats its women with respect and unless the women give career less importance and teach the next generation of baby males some urgently needed values about respecting all females equally and not looking at girls as objects.
This all is an integral part of sharia, i could even go to a length and say that its the western cultural influence of boozing, gambling, porn and sleeping around thats increasing women abuse in muslim countries.

Originally posted by logical7
Sharia prevents abuse, rapes, mistreatment, a muslim man is obliged by religion to be best to his wife, ...

No it doesn't. The statistics that I reported show the exact opposite. Sharia doesn't allow a woman education or freedom. Therefore, the men do not treat the women well because they know she is stuck with them. That's just the truth of it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by logical7
Sharia prevents abuse, rapes, mistreatment, a muslim man is obliged by religion to be best to his wife, ...

No it doesn't. The statistics that I reported show the exact opposite. Sharia doesn't allow a woman education or freedom. Therefore, the men do not treat the women well because they know she is stuck with them. That's just the truth of it.

your statistics for iran extrapolated over entire muslims and sharia?

Muslim men treat women well because they know that they will be answerable to God about every wrong they did.
God is not anti-women like the bible says, bearing kids is not a punishment to eve from God.
Islam sees motherhood as a great ability, the mother deserves 3 times more care than dad, heaven is below the mother's feet.
Islam forbids killing of female infants/foetus.
Parents who raise kids without discrimination become eligible for heaven.
Parents who raise 3 daughters, educate them well and they get married well, these parents deserve heaven.

These are just few islamic teachings that majority muslims know.
So your attitude towards islam will look odd to muslims, you may think you know the truth but FF thats very subjective.
Can you for a moment try and differentiate the opinions made by you by reading how bad islam is and the real values and teachings of islam that you cant deny as good too.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

You are kidding, right?
If a picture of hands makes you feel angry and aggressive, then clearly you have an internal issue of some sort.

That avatar is perfectly fine with this sites T & C. So I suggest you just move your browser to the left so you don't see those hands.... or disable images or something.

And here ends the lesson of the hypocracy of those who follow islam. If they spit the dummy over a cartoon but have the above opinion then what else can be said. (Just replace T & C with freedom of speech)

And regarding your sarcasm in your previous thread to where you replied to me, you are assuming and implying that all those on here critical of islam have a religion. Think again, I am sure many have realised the error of their ways and are now able to face the world without a pretending friend or a pathetic murdering prophet or a schitzophrenic(sp?) god (choose whatever religion you like for the god of choice)

And logical, I had a terrific reply for you but there was an error while trying to post it and I couldn't be bothered typing it all again, so suffice to say imo keep your pathetic religion within your borders and away from non muslim countries and we'll be able to live in harmony. Heck, knock yourselves out with your sharia law and whatever else rocks your boat, with a bit of luck, the sunnis will try to wipe out other brands of your flawed religion and then they will retaliate and eventually weaken the numbers to a point that all of these topics and arguments will be moot

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

And logical, I had a terrific reply for you but there was an error while trying to post it and I couldn't be bothered typing it all again, so suffice to say imo keep your pathetic religion within your borders and away from non muslim countries and we'll be able to live in harmony. Heck, knock yourselves out with your sharia law and whatever else rocks your boat, with a bit of luck, the sunnis will try to wipe out other brands of your flawed religion and then they will retaliate and eventually weaken the numbers to a point that all of these topics and arguments will be moot

i am missing that reply that would never come. I am also sorry that muslims will not do what you are asking to do however as my previous reply we may have some arrangement if u persuade the non-muslims to leave from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Mali, Somalia etc, its not good to drop bombs on my place and then ask me to stay too.

It doesn't matter if you don't have a religion, you have a government that i will consider as your representative and judge you by observing your government and everyone who backs it takes the blame of its actions!

reply to post by FlyersFan

But in secular law, women can leave very easily and get help. Women can be educated and stand on their own. A woman doesn't need a man to babysit her .. a man to 'keep' her. A woman can go into a court of law and have the abuser punished without needing four witness'. Her word is just as important as that of a man. NOT SO WITH SHARIA.

Secular law also allows for women to be degraded as sex objects, in case you haven't noticed.
Which is why women are being treated as sex objects by everybody from advertisers to musicians to actors to comedians... all under the name of free speech.

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

And here ends the lesson of the hypocracy of those who follow islam. If they spit the dummy over a cartoon but have the above opinion then what else can be said. (Just replace T & C with freedom of speech)

Yeah, freedom of speech.
That particular ATSer is exercising his/her right to "freedom of speech" through that avatar. Amazing how you complain about mulsims taking offense to degrading pictures of Mohammad, but you yourself complain about how you feel offended about someones avatar... which contains a picture of hands.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

 

And here ends the lesson of the hypocracy of those who follow islam. If they spit the dummy over a cartoon but have the above opinion then what else can be said. (Just replace T & C with freedom of speech)

Yeah, freedom of speech.
That particular ATSer is exercising his/her right to "freedom of speech" through that avatar. Amazing how you complain about mulsims taking offense to degrading pictures of Mohammad, but you yourself complain about how you feel offended about someones avatar... which contains a picture of hands.

Are you so thick as to not see that you were played and checkmated regarding moohaamoods bomb hat pics and the hands of the avatar?

Your replies to it prove the hypocracy of your pathetic religion. The sooner it is dissolved the better for mankind imo (as with any other religion). It's also amazing that hand boy is allowing others to "come to his/her defense instead of fronting the statement themselves.

And logical, I agree with you one one point, no bombs should be dropped on your country by others unless your country had attacked those who are dropping the bombs. At that point, any country should be "cleansed" of those who did the attacking. But herein lies the problem. The way this unconventional war (I forget a better term) is being played out is for this group of misguided souls to sleasily attack then run home (if still alive) to hide behind the skirts of their wives, mothers and daughters. Gotta luv their honour.

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

Are you so thick as to not see that you were played and checkmated regarding moohaamoods bomb hat pics and the hands of the avatar?

"played and checkmated"?
Keep telling yourself that.

The sooner it is dissolved the better for mankind imo (as with any other religion).

So you are just another atheist who has a problem with the overall concept of religion?
Thanks for that piece of info. I don't like to waste time dealing with atheists.

So you are just another atheist who has a problem with the overall concept of religion?
Thanks for that piece of info. I don't like to waste time dealing with atheists.

Of course you don't. That takes away your ability to misdirect away from your pathetic religion onto another pathetic religion.

But am I an athiest? I might be, but I might not be. I have only stated I believe religion is pathetic. Religion scorp, religion!!! Religion, not belief

But This thread imo is talking about sharia women only getting half the inheritance as men. Well even that point is showing the attitude of sharia men towards their women. imo, again, I see your religion as a blight on any society. And with whom did it start? A mongrel who ruled by the sword and took children as his bride. Did you know there is now a global movement aimed at banning the hopeless pathetic cruel practice of letting dirty old men take child brides? You just don't get how repulsive your (assuming you are muslim) dogma is. I am sure vomit would smell better than islam if it had a scent

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

I have only stated I believe religion is pathetic.

I was referring to your earlier statement....

The sooner it is dissolved the better for mankind imo (as with any other religion).

reply to post by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mideast

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by mideast

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say. 'inherited by a book' ??
What does that statement have to do with women being abused by Sharia?
What does that have to do with you not listening to the facts?
I have no freak'n idea.

But I notice that you failed to address the serious problem Iran has with abuse of women.
I guess that's something your totalitarian government fails to tell you about.
Yet another fact that they sweep under the rug over there, eh??

1- I meant that Islamic Shariat is taken out from Qur'an (a book).

Books are generally used to educate people.

So Shariat follows the same principle that Qur'an is following.

So Men and Women should get educated both.

2-Don't you know that people can easily neglect the truth and do whatever they want ?

Muslims are no exception.

Some Muslims men do neglect the laws both inside and outside.

But does that have anything to do with Shariat ?

NO

The sun is up and truth is uncovered , but you choose to ignore it , like those Muslims who neglect the truth.

But there is little difference.

They may be ignorant about the truth and you are not.

see ya.

Originally posted by mideast
The sun is up and truth is uncovered , but you choose to ignore it , like those Muslims who neglect the truth.
But there is little difference. They may be ignorant about the truth and you are not.

The TRUTH is that Islam is bad for women. The TRUTH is that the Qu'ran that you are thumping was written by misogynistic men with a political agenda and not written by God. The TRUTH is that your veiled threats about hellfire are worthless.

Originally posted by logical7
Muslim men treat women well because they know that they will be answerable to God about every wrong they did.

The statistics prove otherwise. You muslims can scream 'our religion says we treat women well' all you want .. but the FACTS show otherwise. And I posted the facts. Just because a man is a muslim doesn't mean he treats women well. In fact, considering the very high abuse numbers (and god only knows how many abuses dont' get reported because the women live in fear) in Islam, it is very clear that Islam, and Sharia in particular, is not good for women.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Secular law also allows for women to be degraded as sex objects, in case you haven't noticed.

Secular law prosecutes sexual discrimination in the workforce.
Secular law prosecutes sexual discrimination in housing.
Secular law prosecutes sexual discrimination in the court room.
Secular law prosecutes the RAPIST when rapes happen .. not the victim.
Sharia law enforces sexual discrimination in the workforce; in housing, and in the court room; and persecutes the rape victim instead of the rapist .. in case you haven't noticed.

What you call 'degraded as sex objects' is subjective.
People here aren't phobic about sexuality and are more open.
And don't bother saying that Islam being all shy with sexuality is better.
The crime statistics against women in Islam say differently.

Sharia law treats women as of less worth in a court room, in case you haven't noticed.
Secular law acknowledges women as having equal rights in a court room.
Sharia law treats women as property, not as individual human beings, in case you haven't noticed.
Secular law acknowledges women are humans and not property.
Sharia law allows and even encourages women to be beaten by husbands, in case you haven't noticed.
Secular law prosecutes men who beat women and makes it MUCH easier for a woman to be able to escape her abusers.
Sharia law generally blames the woman when a rape happens and makes it hard to prosecute the rapist, in case you haven't noticed.
Secular law doesn't blame the victim and secular law makes it much easier to prosecute the rapist. The rapist is the criminal .. not the woman!
Sharia law doesn't allow a woman to inherit her fair share, in case you haven't noticed.
Secular law sees men and women as equals and therefore the woman gets her fair share.
Sharia law doesn't allow a woman to leave the home without permission from her keeper, in case you haven't noticed.
Secular law puts no man in charge over a woman as keeper and no woman is held hostage in her own home.
Sharia law
Sharia law makes it very difficult for a woman to get an education and to be able to take care of herself, in case you haven't noticed.
Secular law prosecutes those who discriminate against women from getting an education. Secular law enforces the rights of women to leave the home, drive a car, and get an education so she can take care of herself.
Sharia law enslaves women making them totally dependent upon men, men who are afraid that if the women are able to take care of themselves, then those women will be able to leave the men if the men aren't good husbands .. in case you didn't notice.
Secular law supports FREEDOM and EQUAL RIGHTS for women so they can take care of themselves so, hopefully, they won't have to depend on someone else to babysit or 'keep' them.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Wow!!
That just told me how rigidly you hold to what you percieve as truth.

Maybe you should talk to a muslim hijabi girl and ask her. You obviously don't trust us men

hope you wouldn't dismiss her (as too scared/brainwashed to talk against men/sharia/islam) if even she tells you the same like us, that you just don't want to believe.

reply to post by FlyersFan


OK , you accused Muslims and Islam and .....

What is your idea about Christianity?