Sharia gives a woman half the inheritance as that to a man

reply to post by FlyersFan

Originally posted by logical7
A misogynistic bunk where a man
ends up spending more and ending
up less than what the woman has? I have no idea what you are saying.
Try to rephrase it.

Sure. EDIT-
A misogynistic bunk where a man
ends up spending more money and ending
up with less than what the woman has?
A simple example, say a husband got 100$ and wife 50$ from their respective parents as inheritance, now he has to spend on rent/mortgage, bills, school, food etc etc and spends almost say 70$ and left with 30$ while wife has the 50$ untouched and at here disposal.

And men shouldn't have to take care of women .. women should be able to take care of themselves.

yes right, so women take care of themselves, maintain the house, get pregnant, provide for kids too and be at a risk of being dumped while the husband just has a job and then drinks beer and watch tv and its islam thats called MISOGYNIST!!!

A smart wife can earn more than a
dumb husband.
A smart woman doesn't have to get
married.
And no woman should have to get
married. Maybe Sharia is there because men are
paranoid that independent women
wont' want anything to do with their
them. So they subjugate the women
using Sharia as an excuse. That way
they can be sure to have a wife or two who will take care of all their 'needs'.
Now that I think about it ... I bet that's
true.

you are just being an extremely paranoid feminist.
I would never support any force against any woman. Neither to marry etc nor to look and behave a certain way to fit in society, please men or soothe their egos!!!

The ONLY fair laws are those that are
gender blind.

hmm.. Then being laid off when a woman cant work many months due to being pregnant is acceptable to you?!!

reply to post by FlyersFan

Not true. Not even close. It's what women were stuck with. And just because women were stuck with it a hundred years ago doesn't mean that they have to be stuck with just that now. This is 2013 ... not 1813.

you mean all women before the 21st century died sad and unfulfilled? Thats a depressing view!
House work can be as satisfying as a career to a woman who chooses it and thats found in research.

Not true. This is 2012. Fashions
change. The clothing that I wear is a
heck of a lot more comfortable than
the clothing that my grandmother
wore. And I don't dress like I do to try
to prove myself 'as competent as a man'. No one thinks like that.

No one?!!! thats a bold statement and untrue. Their have been(corsets) and still are many women clothings that can be also used as torture equipments.

... or women now earn a living
because they ENJOY the independence
and the income.

maybe and then it leads to weaker need to have a family as legal wife and need for marriage is less(you like that!) and a 'live in' is prefered where a man gets more benefit as now he doesnt even have to divorce. What does it matter that thousands of women get emotionally devastated, they are anyways better off and should just remain alone!! Right?

In the west women feel more insecure
financially as they cant rely on their
men who have complete freedom to
leave them anytime, sharia puts an
end to this irresponsible freedom. In Sharia, women are STUCK with men
who disrespect them .. stuck with men
who beat them because the Imams
say it's a good thing to do ... stuck with
men who have multiple wives and so
the wife is just one of many who can be easily replaced. It's not 'irresponsible freedom' for a
woman to be able to leave a sucky
husband.
It's not 'irresponsible freedom' for a
woman to be able to take care of
herself so she doesn't have to get married at all.

rather than answering it(quote in bold) you took another jab at sharia again

I'm not surprised that muslim men
think like that. They want to be sure to
keep their women under lock and
key .. otherwise, those women will
discover their own lives and not want
anything to do with the silly men. You assume that all women want to
have to take care of a husband instead
of following their own desires to have
a career and an education. A woman
can make herself feel secure just fine
without a man.

i am also not surprised that i am talking with not just someone ignorant about islam but a radical feminist

I'm not ignorant about Islam. I see it very clearly for what it is.

I'm not a 'radical feminist'. I'm just a person who expects equality for everyone and not some watered down version of 'equality' based on someone else's strange religious beliefs.

Here is what Sharia does to a woman ...

Under Sharia, women dont' have equal rights. They can't receive the education they need or want. They can't leave the house when they need to or want to. They can't go to school when they need to or want to. They can't have an income that they need or want. They can't have legal rights like they need or want. Heck, they can't even drive a car when they need or want to. Women are NOT FREE. They have no freedoms. They have no life other than being 'kept'.

So they are stuck getting married .. like it or not.

They are stuck washing a mans underware and cleaning after him
instead of being able to go to school if they want to become an
engineer or a lawyer or a doctor.

They are stuck having to have a KEEPER, not a partner in life.

And the man .. he knows the woman can't go anywhere. He knows she's been subjugated. He knows that she has no legal recourse against him. He knows that she can't get an education and take care of herself. He knows that he can be as nice or as evil as he wants towards her and she can't leave. So there is no incentive for him to be a partner or a good mate. He can cheat. He can lie. He can beat her. He can treat her awful. He can do whatever he wants to her because she is his slave instead of his partner.

Sharia is bad for women. Period.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by logical7

 

I'd have to side with FF (since she IS a woman) and state that any religion that dictates individual roles and responsibilities is rather outdated.

In my humble opinion.

OK.

Tell me about goods of being up to date,please.

Trying all the ways that is not meant to be is being up to date ?

Putting all CO2 in the atmosphere and then realizing it's effect ?

Although god has told us what to do and what not to do , but we prefer to do whatever we want. And after years and years , we come back to the first place.

Like a child that has been told that he should not get near drugs , but stubborn child will not get it unless he gives 20 years of his life.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You mix ignorant of some Muslims and with your ignorance about Islamic-Shriat , then you say what you want.

Facts :

1-Women are not being forced to stay at home.

2-Saudi tribal families are not the only Muslims. In Iran they are even ministers. They vote and they go to school.

3-Housewives are depending on whether their husband allow them to get out or not + they choose their husband themselves and they negotiate on such actions and conditions in the beginning.

4-It is not only Muslim guys who treat their wives badly. There is sex discrimination and inequality all over the world being committed by other human beings ,too.

They are stuck washing a mans underware and cleaning after him instead of being able to go to school if they want to become an engineer or a lawyer or a doctor.

There are female mining engineer in my university.

he knows the woman can't go anywhere. He knows she's been subjugated. He knows that she has no legal recourse against him. He knows that she can't get an education and take care of herself. He knows that he can be as nice or as evil as he wants towards her and she can't leave. He can cheat. He can lie. He can beat her. He can treat her awful. He can do whatever he wants to her because she is his slave instead of his partner.

These women can get divorced. There is no force for continuing such life.

Sharia is bad for women. Period

There are two assumptions , now.

1- You didn't know much about Muslim women. So , you do know now and you can find a way to discover the truth unless you are locked in the house.

Or

2 - you already knew these facts and you chose to ignore the truth to get your own biased conclusion.

which one ?

reply to post by mideast

You are sugar coating dog poop.

Time Magazine - What really happens to women in Islamic countries

The Taliban, with its fanatical subjugation of the female sex, occupies an extreme, but it nevertheless belongs on a continuum that includes, not so far down the line, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan and the relatively moderate states of Egypt and Jordan. Where Muslims have afforded women the greatest degree of equality--in Turkey--they have done so by overthrowing Islamic precepts in favor of secular rule. As Riffat Hassan, professor of religious studies at the University of Louisville, puts it, "The way Islam has been practiced in most Muslim societies for centuries has left millions of Muslim women with battered bodies, minds and souls ...

Part of the problem dates to Muhammad. Even as he proclaimed new rights for women, he enshrined their inequality in immutable law, passed down as God's commandments and eventually recorded in scripture. The Koran allots daughters half the inheritance of sons. It decrees that a woman's testimony in court, at least in financial matters, is worth half that of a man's. Under Shari'a, or Muslim law, compensation for the murder of a woman is half the going rate for men. In many Muslim countries, these directives are incorporated into contemporary law. For a woman to prove rape in Pakistan, for example, four adult males of "impeccable" character must witness the penetration, in accordance with Shari'a ...

Women's rights are compromised further by a section in the Koran, sura 4:34, that has been interpreted to say that men have "pre-eminence" over women or that they are "overseers" of women. The verse goes on to say that the husband of an insubordinate wife should first admonish her, then leave her to sleep alone and finally beat her. Wife beating is so prevalent in the Muslim world that social workers who assist battered women in Egypt, for example, spend much of their time trying to convince victims that their husbands' violent acts are unacceptable.

Read the whole article. It will educate you.

Bottom line .... Sharia is BAD FOR WOMEN.
It takes away their independence. It enslaved them to men.
The only people who gain from Sharia ... are MEN.
And the women suffer and suffer and suffer ....

Originally posted by mideast
Facts :

Your so-called facts are wrong. you don't understand Sharia at all.
Either that .. or you are just trying to use propaganda to sugar coat it.
Something that is done a lot over in the middle east. :shk:

1-Women are not being forced to stay at home.

Under Sharia, women are not allowed to leave home without a male escort.
She is a prisoner in her own home. And she's oppressed under men.

2-Saudi tribal families are not the only Muslims. In Iran they are even ministers. They vote and they go to school.

Iran isn't totally under Sharia. Under Sharia, women are not allowed to be religious leaders. They are not allowed to go to universities and be independent. They are not allowed to be educated so they can stand on their own. The little girl who was just shot in the head for wanting an education is proof of that. Grown men afraid of a little girl trying to learn how to read. Those men are SICK!

3-Housewives are depending on whether their husband allow them to get out or not + they choose their husband themselves and they negotiate on such actions and conditions in the beginning.

They 'negotiate' being able to leave home?? OMG .. did you hear what you said? That's obscene! That's not a marriage. That's not love. That's the woman being a business transation.

4-It is not only Muslim guys who treat their wives badly. There is sex discrimination and inequality all over the world being committed by other human beings ,too.

And when a Christian woman in the USA is treated badly, she is able to have an education and a job so she can leave her bad husband. She is able to take care of herself. She has equal rights under the law. Same with Jewish and Buddhist and Muslim women in the USA. All equal rights under the secular law. That isn't true under Sharia law.

There are female mining engineer in my university.

And your university isn't run by Sharia law, is it?

These women can get divorced. There is no force for continuing such life.

And they aren't in a situation that is under Sharia law. Are they?


Again .. Sharia is bad for women. The ONLY law that is fair is SECULAR LAW. Secular law that is gender blind. Secular law that doesn't consider one religion over another. Secular law ... devoid of religious rhetoric.

reply to post by FlyersFan

I'm not ignorant about Islam. I see it very clearly for what it is.

“The greatest enemy of
knowledge is not
ignorance, it is the illusion of
knowledge.” ― Stephen Hawking

Here is what Sharia does to a woman ... Under Sharia, women dont' have equal
rights. They can't receive the
education they need or want. They
can't leave the house when they need
to or want to. They can't go to school
when they need to or want to. They can't have an income that they need or
want. They can't have legal rights like
they need or want. Heck, they can't
even drive a car when they need or
want to. Women are NOT FREE. They
have no freedoms. They have no life other than being 'kept'. So they are stuck getting married .. like
it or not.

muslim women have equal rights, they get educated, go out, earn, they have legal rights from 1400+years, they have freedom to choose but ya they will not make the same choices as women in west because they are muslims, its not difficult to understand if you look how a nun makes a choice to be a nun and let go some freedoms.
Look at a muslim woman as a nun who can marry, work and do all the things she wants in a limit but remain dedicated to God.

And the man .. he knows the woman
can't go anywhere. He knows she's
been subjugated. He knows that she
has no legal recourse against him. He
knows that she can't get an education
and take care of herself. He knows that he can be as nice or as evil as he
wants towards her and she can't
leave. So there is no incentive for him
to be a partner or a good mate. He can
cheat. He can lie. He can beat her. He
can treat her awful. He can do whatever he wants to her because she
is his slave instead of his partner.

Thats so very UNTRUE!!!
A wife is a trust from God and a mùslim man is answerable to God for every act.
He has to be the best to his wife,

“The most perfect in faith amongst
believers is he who is best and
kindest to his wife.”

this is a hadith and most muslim men know it.

reply to post by FlyersFan

For a woman to prove rape in Pakistan, for example, four adult males of "impeccable" character must witness the penetration, in accordance with Shari'a ...

SERIOUSLY!!! do you actually believe that?
You think muslims are so completely brainwashed that this appears ok to them? Well either that or your sources are as crappy as what they say.

Originally posted by logical7
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” ― Stephen Hawking

Yes .. you should take that advice.

look how a nun makes a choice to be a nun and let go some freedoms.

Seriously? Dude ... a nun picks going into a convent. And she can leave whenever she wants. Under Sharia ... that doesn't happen for Muslim women. And there is NO GOOD REASON to take away a womans right to live her own life and to get an education and to be FREE. None. That's a load of misogynistic crap imposed upon women by men who are afraid that the women will leave them or won't want them at all if given the opportunity for freedom. It reeks of men being afraid of women who can fend and think for themselves.

Look at a muslim woman as a nun who can marry, work and do all the things she wants in a limit but remain dedicated to God.

Under Sharia muslim women can not marry who they want .. they can't remain single if they want .. they can not work and do all the things they want ... and can't even leave the house without a man babysitting them .... all based on someone's notion that it is what God wants and the fear men have of women.

A wife is a trust from God and a mùslim man is answerable to God for every act. He has to be the best to his wife,

Oh please. You are saying that men in Islam don't mistreat women because their religion says so? Really? You actually buy that? 1 - The religion itself mistreats women. They are 'KEPT' instead of being allowed to live their own free lives. 2 - Men in Islam absolutely mistreat and beat and cheat on women. They do it all the time. Just because they have 'Muslim' tatoo'd across their forehead doesn't stop the violence. If anything, the fact that the women can't stick up for themselves and that they have no legal recourse means that the men treat the women worse because they can do that and get away with it.

Iran -
Islam and Domestic Violence

A World Health Organization (WHO) study in Babol found that within the previous year 15.0% of wives had been physically abused, 42.4% had been sexually abused and 81.5% had been psychologically abused (to various degrees) by their husbands, blaming low income, young age, unemployment and low education.[44]

In 2004 a study of domestic violence was undertaken by the Women's Center for Presidential Advisory, Ministry of Higher Education and The Interior Ministry of capital cities in Iran's 28 provinces. 66% married women in Iran are subjected to some kind of domestic violence in the first year of their marriage, either by their husbands or by their in-laws. All married women who were participants in this study in Iran have experienced 7.4% of the 9 categories of abuse. The likelihood of being subject to violence varied: The more children in a family or the more rural the family lived, the greater the likelihood of domestic violence; Educated and career women were less likely to be victims of abuse. 9.63% of women in the study reported wishing their husbands would die, as a result of the abuse they have experienced.[4]

The prevalence of domestic violence has been cited as a cause of high rates of suicide, mostly through self-immolation, among Kurdish women in Iran.

TAKE NOTE - EDUCATED AND CAREER WOMEN WERE LESS LIKELY TO BE VICTIMS OF ABUSE. Why? Because the husbands and the men in the lives of those women knew that the women could stand up for themselves and LEAVE. They could leave because of their educations and their jobs and because they weren't under Sharia restrictions on their lives. Therefore .. the women suffered LESS than the women who were stuck without good educations and without jobs and without being able to leave.

And under Sharia .. these women would have NO LEGAL RIGHTS against the men. None. Their voice in the court room wouldn't count like a man's voice. They wouldn't escape their husbands or fathers because the women wouldn't have educations and jobs and can't even leave the homes without a man escorting them.

FACE IT. TELL THE TRUTH. SHARIA SUCKS FOR WOMEN.

Originally posted by logical7
SERIOUSLY!!! do you actually believe that?

Seriously ... you actually won't look at the facts about Sharia?

You think muslims are so completely brainwashed that this appears ok to them?

Obviously those who call for Sharia are brainwashed.
Men who are afraid of women. Who have to 'keep' them and baby sit them.
It's absurd. It's backwards. It's disgusting. It has no place in the year 2013. None.

reply to post by logical7

hmm.. Then being laid off when a woman cant work many months due to being pregnant is acceptable to you?!!

Not to me, in fact my wife is facing that issue right now. Her boss hired another nurse to take over her shift, and gave her all my wife's hours and his excuse was "you haven't been doing so well" because she started having morning sickness. Then he concocts an excuse that because he had 4 patients die in his nursing home he had to cut hours, but he only cut her hours and gave them to the other nurse and no one else's hours were cut, so he obviously knows what he is doing is illegal, but it's not stopping him any.

We're supposed to have laws to protect working pregnant women from discrimination but, employers know the loopholes and often use them and abuse them. They cannot fire or lay off women who are pregnant legally, but if they make up some bullsh*t excuse it becomes kosher, just as long as they do not fire or lay them off because they are pregnant. So it's still a shady deal.

reply to post by FlyersFan

FACE IT. TELL THE TRUTH. SHARIA SUCKS FOR WOMEN.

If I tell what you want to hear then i would be a Liar.

I am studying Islam from 10 years, my sisters are more educated than me and work, my aunts work. No man in my family and extended family has ever hit his wife.
We also follow sharia in all civil matters.
The problems you present are due to socioeconomic problems and not limited to a religion, domestic violence happens among christians too. A guy doesnt beat his wife after remembering a verse from a Holy Book, he hits her because he wants to.
The verse is not about beating for less salt in a dish
sharia will take good care of a man who does that,
the verse is about an inclined towards cheating wife and even then it comes after communicate, sleep with back towards her, sleep seperate and then chastise without causing pain, without leaving a mark and never the face and just once, the scholars put it as striking with a toothbrush on the shoulder.

A person who can have this much patience does not fit the category of a wife beater.
A wife beater who does it for tiny things is not following sharia and would actually be punished under sharia law.

The thing you forget is that a muslim wife is also a daughter, sister and mother of a muslim dad, brother and son. If she is hurt the husband will pay dearly

we love & respect our women, escort them as our princesses and will defend them by our lives if needed, our women know it and are not waiting for a western army to liberate them.
Don't even try or many soldiers will just die due to well aimed frying pans as lethal projectiles.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by logical7

 

hmm.. Then being laid off when a woman cant work many months due to being pregnant is acceptable to you?!!

Not to me, in fact my wife is facing that issue right now. Her boss hired another nurse to take over her shift, and gave her all my wife's hours and his excuse was "you haven't been doing so well" because she started having morning sickness. Then he concocts an excuse that because he had 4 patients die in his nursing home he had to cut hours, but he only cut her hours and gave them to the other nurse and no one else's hours were cut, so he obviously knows what he is doing is illegal, but it's not stopping him any.

We're supposed to have laws to protect working pregnant women from discrimination but, employers know the loopholes and often use them and abuse them. They cannot fire or lay off women who are pregnant legally, but if they make up some bullsh*t excuse it becomes kosher, just as long as they do not fire or lay them off because they are pregnant. So it's still a shady deal.

Men who do not respect the difference of a woman's needs, both physical and emotional are not real men.
Your wife's boss obviously cares more about profits and does not fall under 'real men' group.
Hope some way comes out for both of you and Congrats for becoming a dad!!

reply to post by FlyersFan

FACE IT. TELL THE TRUTH. SHARIA SUCKS FOR WOMEN.

If I tell what you want to hear then i would be a Liar.

I am studying Islam from 10 years, my sisters are more educated than me and work, my aunts work. No man in my family and extended family has ever hit his wife.
We also follow sharia in all civil matters.
The problems you present are due to socioeconomic problems and not limited to a religion, domestic violence happens among christians too. A guy doesnt beat his wife after remembering a verse from a Holy Book, he hits her because he wants to.
The verse is not about beating for less salt in a dish
sharia will take good care of a man who does that,
the verse is about an inclined towards cheating wife and even then it comes after communicate, sleep with back towards her, sleep seperate and then chastise without causing pain, without leaving a mark and never the face and just once, the scholars put it as striking with a toothbrush on the shoulder.

A person who can have this much patience does not fit the category of a wife beater.
A wife beater who does it for tiny things is not following sharia and would actually be punished under sharia law.

The thing you forget is that a muslim wife is also a daughter, sister and mother of a muslim dad, brother and son. If she is hurt the husband will pay dearly

we love & respect our women, escort them as our princesses and will defend them by our lives if needed, our women know it and are not waiting for a western army to liberate them.
Don't even try or many soldiers will just die due to well aimed frying pans as lethal projectiles.

reply to post by logical7


If you look afer your wife then kudos to you logical7. But how about speaking out about the muslim terrorists next time you visit your mosque. Go up to your imam and demand he put rules in place to banish those murderers and woman mutilators. Make him get in touch with his imam buddies to do the same. I believe 2 things will happen. 1) he will not do anything of the sort and 2) you would end up being the one on the end of banishment or worse. You see, I perceive that you and other passive muslims are almost as much of the problem as the terrorists, you won't step in and take back your religion from them.

But looking over this thread, I see FF's comments and links to other threads on page 2, post 6 of this thread being something that negates almost all if not all of your arguments about sharia law.

And to mideast, you know how muslims are really, really offended by people drawing your, imo pathetic, war mongering prophet with a bomb in his head gear? Well I guess I understand their angry agressive feelings because every time I see your avatar with those sanctimonious hands staring at me, I feel those angry agressive feelings.

so, I wonder if you will heed that fact and change your avatar since it is offensive to me and causes me terrible thoughts.

If not, I wonder how much validity muslims would have in declaring death threats on those who did the drawings. They want terrible drawings stopped, I want your terrible avatar stopped. What's good for the goose is good for the gander wouldn't you say?

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

If you look afer your wife then kudos to you logical7. But how about speaking out about the muslim terrorists next time you visit your mosque. Go up to your imam and demand he put rules in place to banish those murderers and woman mutilators. Make him get in touch with his imam buddies to do the same. I believe 2 things will happen. 1) he will not do anything of the sort and 2) you would end up being the one on the end of banishment or worse. You see, I perceive that you and other passive muslims are almost as much of the problem as the terrorists, you won't step in and take back your religion from them.

yes right we have 'muslim' terrorists in our masjids and communities whom we ignore or actually protect.
why don't we start with you going to a local church and ask the priest to contact his buddies in Mexico and put an end to the drug cartels. Let me know when its done!!
You have a very naive understanding of muslims, imams dont have a network like the church does.
Passive muslims?? You want us to take up guns to fight terrorists? The problem with a muslim when he stands up against wrongs & injustice is that then he wont just take care of the ones 'the west' wants him to but anyone who is doing wrong be it a terrorist with a bomb or an airforce of drones with bombs as both are killing innocent civilians.

But looking over this thread, I see FF's
comments and links to other threads
on page 2, post 6 of this thread being
something that negates almost all if
not all of your arguments about sharia
law.

maybe for you, not for others who get it better and not go to sharia hate sites and believe everything they say blindly.
Here's a simple thing, you are not a muslim & neither FF so you obviously would prefer not to have sharia law which is fine. A muslim understands and wants it and muslim countries will implement it. The only thing i have to say that its not cruel or unjust as it is percieved to be. Right now not a single muslim country has the sharia the way it should be.

@logical7

Ever noticed how the Christian participants bring up the worst cases to portray the message that Shariah is bad for women? With them its always extreme examples from the Taliban, Saudi etc.

These same Christians conveniently sweep their own Bibles teachings about how "disgraceful" it is for women to speak in church... or the command to keep her head covered.... and not have authority over men... and so on. And they have the nerve to talk about "gender equality". pfffft.

reply to post by greatfriendbadfoe

every time I see your avatar with those sanctimonious hands staring at me, I feel those angry agressive feelings.... so, I wonder if you will heed that fact and change your avatar since it is offensive to me and causes me terrible thoughts.

You are kidding, right?
If a picture of hands makes you feel angry and aggressive, then clearly you have an internal issue of some sort.

That avatar is perfectly fine with this sites T & C. So I suggest you just move your browser to the left so you don't see those hands.... or disable images or something.