Those who think high level figures in government are part of conspiracy.........

reply to post by wondermost

first, are you speaking of the Maxwell from youtube ?
if so, i'm not sure cause i haven't seen any of the vids.

if this is of the same person (Maxwell), i'll answer that when i'm finished reading it ... was just recently shared.
this
i had heard of it but had never read or been exposed to it.
i haven't even made it to the 1st chapter but i think it's authored by the same Maxwell

i'll share what led me to further research, fair enough ?
liberty library
also, another link re: IRS

and if you dare ... UCL
couple that info with Black's law dictionary and you're well on your way to answering that question, perhaps before i can.

i will say this, for so many who revere Roosevelt, i wonder if they know he said this ...

from the first link above - Cracking the Code book

We of this mighty western Republic have to grapple with the dangers that spring from popular self-government tried on a scale incomparably vaster than ever before in the history of mankind, and from an abounding material prosperity greater also than anything which the world has hiterto seen.

As regards the first set of dangers, it behooves us to remember that men can never escape being governed. Either they must govern themselves or they must submit to being governed by others. If, from lawlessness or fickleness, from folly or self-indulgence, they refuse to govern themselves then most assuredly in the end they will have to be governed from the outside.

They can prevent the need of government from without only by showing they possess the power of government from within. A sovereign cannot make excuses for his failures; a sovereign must accept the responsibility for the exercise of power that inheres in him; and where, as is true in our Republic, the people are sovereign, then the people must show a sober understanding and a sane and steadfast purpose if they are to preserve that orderly liberty upon which as a foundation every republic must rest."
President Theodore Roosevelt
Opening of the Jamestown Exposition
Norfolk, VA April 26, 1907

and from the decision of Yick Wo v Hopkins - 1886

"Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law ... "

I have been reading about the Rothschilds ever since someone posted a photo of David Mayer de Rothschild. He looks like every photo of Christ that we have been shown. Creepy really but here's the link if anyone would like to read. www.iamthewitness.com...

You'd be surprised exactly what they control .... pretty much the world!

You only have to read Revelation 20 to find out who it's been all along and how he'll be dealt with for leading nations and kings astray.

reply to post by Hopechest
The only thing people have wrong is believing a bunch of hyped up Bologna on the internet or their T.V.s....the media is the biggest scam to ever grace they eyes and ears of mankind since this crap was invented...blindly for the past 20 years or more the media,T.V, the Internet have helped confuse,distort, and bend reality for many people.The problem with the USA is people need to get involved in real life again put their i-pads down their super-phones,their video games and their endless webs surfing,they just need to lay all that down and plug back in to a more real an meaningful existence.

To first look at this question we need to establish some conspiracies to work with. JFK is a popular one, with the Navy helping to cover it up with 9/11 another one with strong CIA and military links to help keep the lid on it.

Now lets say you are someone fairly high up the chain with a lot of resources at hand, what would it take to get you on quickly board with someone you never meet from an organization you know nothing about? Blackmail is a fairly common method, may work for some but also takes a lot of intimate knowledge and research to find stuff out, setups are also somewhat common with place like Bohemian Grove making good fishing grounds.

But it is not going to get everyone, so threats and intimidation can also be used like the Anthrax mailings in the days after 9/11. But if you are mega wealthy you most likely have quite good security as well so targeting family, friends, job contracts, legal action and a host of other methods could be used, some will fold while others will call your bluff without some strong evidence that you will follow through. To make someone quickly give up their principles I do expect a lot of fear to be used, worked great in bailing out the banks. I do find it interesting in how the courts dismiss all cases involving 9/11 with extreme prejudice, the courts are hell scared of something,

But what if the ones further up the chains of power are not human? As a more advanced species greater intelligence is expected so maybe they can make very convincing arguments, or better skilled in the arts of hypnosis and influence, or maybe just scare the hell out of you as they pop in from no where and are very intimidating in there presence? There is more than enough evidence to indicate that something is going on, the only thing that is clear is that they prefer their privacy as disclosure lingers. If trying to factor in the exopolitical factors for just who or what is pulling the string, it does appear a lot more complex than the geopolitical scene. Something to consider when trying to define the food chain and find out exactly who is really on top.

reply to post by Honor93


Let's not get carried away with my comments now... thanking someone for debate is not throwing up a proverbial white flag of debate. I merely was only responding to your comments because it is obvious that you were agreeing with my concepts, yet making subtle points about specific words I chose to make it look as if you are some sort of high authority of knowledge. It seems as if your horse stands taller than everyone else's, and it is starting to devalue the words that you speak... nobody likes to have a finger waved in their face and constantly be put into place, and it's certainly not motivating. So, this will be the last you hear from me... I'm more interested in learning then being taught. I have a high probability of being right in my estimate of your personality, and I am guessing you're going to need to get a last word in along the lines to prove so... even when I am stating that I won't return to the postings of the thread to read it.

I'd like to say good luck to you in the World you live in, and good luck with your failed nation. And, by failed nation, I was implying that our predecessors never engaged in further revolutions... there I go having to chase my words again with you. I witness nothing but divide in this nation simply because each individual has each owns motives put before the peoples' as a whole... perhaps a severe stubbornness you could say. "Hey pot, have you met kettle yet?". I am doing nothing more than putting odds to what I state. People aren't math, therefore probabilities will always weigh heavier than answers... there are no conspiracies in that reality.

reply to post by Honor93


I have had several conversations with you about this very subject, yet you always seem to be so cryptic about it, and make assertions like the english crown still controls us etc... lol, extrordinary claims require extrsordinary proofs, and I have yet to see any from you, it is always the same stuff, nothing substantial.

The crown is nothing, they have no real power, and absolutely no authority whatsoever in America, we dont even acknowledge official hereditary titles here, whichbis a huge no no, especially from the english crown.

No American must acknowledge any title save one earned through study, and or military service, or public service, and even then it is a nicety, not a requirement.

I dont have to callna colonel, anything, I can all him douche, and nothing can happen, I dont have to call dr. A dr. I can once again call him douche williams not doctor williams, and nothing will happen, let sir bono come over here and I will call uim a big giant douche bono, and nothing will happen.

Now dont call him sir bono in england, as it is a legal title one must comply, same with the royals.

The english dont controlnor decide crap anywhere but england, and potentialky the canadian mgov as the royal family still has the technical power to intervene at certain times.

So either provide proof of a substantial nature or stfu, with your tired " the king of england still runs the world because he never recognized our rights" crap, it matters not what he acknowledges, it is what it is, being to dumb to acknowledge the reality doesnt change it.

reply to post by Hopechest


I came to the same conclusion a long time ago. The more i look the more I find that this jives with ancient texts. i am not religious but the closest thing to what is empowering the world and ruling the mighty would be demonic and they seem to actually demand sacrifices.

Originally posted by NellahB
I have been reading about the Rothschilds ever since someone posted a photo of David Mayer de Rothschild. He looks like every photo of Christ that we have been shown. Creepy really but here's the link if anyone would like to read. www.iamthewitness.com...

You'd be surprised exactly what they control .... pretty much the world!

Hate to burst your conspiracy bubble, but the Rothschilds are NOT the "power brokers" they were centuries ago. Not a single Rothschild is in the top 100 Richest People list (nor a Rockefeller, for that matter....). They also do NOT control the banking world, as so many on ATS like to try to claim... I have posted this information ad nauseum and still the myth of the "Rothschilds" perpetuates....

For while any family, business or industry can have a bad year, the Rothschilds, financiers of kings and princes when Europe was a royal family affair, have had a bad century.

The fortune has shrunk as world wars battered the Rothschilds' banks; revolution in Czarist Russia killed their best client, and French Socialists nationalized their Paris bank.

Some of the brightest sons went their own way to earn renown as scientists, poets and wine makers. Family feuds sent off others who, as competitors, outdid those who stayed in the fold in terms of wealth and reputation.
...

Europe, meanwhile, had changed. Nations financed themselves through taxes, not loans. The Rothschilds' relationships with rulers became less exclusive, and as royal courts disappeared, less valuable. They financed Russia's southern oilfields, but then their client, Czar Nicholas II, was killed by revolutionaries.

World War I disrupted alliances. Then the Depression bore down. As Nazism took control of Germany, Austria, and in the end even France, the family withdrew. At the end of World War II Europe had changed again, half of it behind the Iron Curtain.

By the 1970's, the House of Rothschild comprised three much smaller banks, N. M. Rothschild in London, Banque Rothschild in Paris, and a Swiss bank founded by the family's most independent, and wealthiest, member, Baron Edmond de Rothschild.

In 1980, Jacob, the English branch's most highly regarded banker, left N. M. Rothschild after Sir Evelyn, its largest shareholder, rejected his proposal to reinvigorate the bank with outside money. A year later, the French Government nationalized the Paris bank and barred the Rothschilds not only from banking, but from using their family name in business.

By then, the contrast between the fortunes of Rothschilds who had made their own way, and those who had stayed strictly in the family, seemed stark.

Restoring the House of Rothschild

reply to post by ttobban

huh? where is there a white flag flying in our discussion ?
oh, clearing the way for a personal attack, alrighty then.
hey, if superiority is your thing, have at it

a horse ?? sorry, i don't have one.
i do have a dog in this race though, a few generations worth as a matter of fact, so, if my presentation is brash, i apologize.

if you cannot see the concept beyond the commentary, then that is not a problem for me to solve.

well, i post with no intentional purpose to 'motivate', do you ?
that i succeeded without trying is interesting all by itself.

no one is preventing you from 'learning', by all means, carry on.
hahahahaha, you present yourself as another long distance psycho evaluator eh ??
well ok, have fun with that.

ohhh, the infamous 'last word' accusation ... so be it.
your choice to participate or not is your choice, do as you will.

ah, but they have.
perhaps you are not willing to see it but again, that isn't my problem, is it ?

the rest is pure nonsense so likewise, without relative commentary, we don't have much to discuss, do we ?

division is also a choice, sorry to hear that is the choice you prefer.

reply to post by inverslyproportional

the proof is in the documents.
your choice to dismiss them is your choice.
your failure to demonstrate self-governing is not mine to absorb.

your acceptance of the propaganda of generations is also yours with which to contend.

why do you insist that your understanding is somehow my responsibility ??

titles of nobility are all over the US, if you don't see them, how is that my fault ?

i need no additional proof beyond the history that has brought us forward.
like i said, your choice to accept the propaganda of generations is not my responsibility.
have fun with it.

what 'king' of england ??
like i said, it's your choice, not mine.

oh btw, i notice with all your accusation and rambling, not a single source is included.
why is that ???

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Mandrakerealmz

 

releasing that technology which has been withheld would be a great place to focus more attention.

I 100% agree with that. Anti gravity - Free energy technology will radically change our world asap.

Now if we could only remove the Rothschild/Rockefeller embargo on such technologies...

That's indeed a good place to focus!

I tried to find a tie in with things that seem related all over the place. I found the only thing in common is greed, ego, and desire for power. A triad is the best I could do. Everything seems to point to tendencies of man to fulfill these three things and birds of a feather flock together.

This topic has always fascinated me, especially regarding the occult, the Free Masons and Illuminati, and has had me researching this field for hours upon hours from time to time always leading me into theories regarding the devil, demonic spirits, aliens and extra-terrestrials and goes all the way back to ancient Biblical ages every single time.

Whatever is true, one can be certain that there is some disgusting and disgraceful sh*t going on behind the scenes that they don't want people to know about and it transcends national borders like bad weather.

I used to be really skeptic about spiritual and mythological theories about God, the Devil, angels, demons and all of that but after performing some extensive digging it is hard not to wonder why it is such a common theme, if not the ultimate theme of this entire conspiracy "theory". The majority of researchers seem to come to the same conclusions and that is that either Satan is behind it all or evil deities are. You don't believe me? Watch any documentary about the Illuminati. It doesn't matter who is the researcher. It always comes down to the same thing. Whether or not evil spirits or Satan is just a synonym for lust, power and greed is another question but it is quite bizarre. Fascinating times we are living in, aren't we?

A week central government verses A strong central government.

The Articles created a loose confederation of sovereign states and a weak central government, leaving most of the power with the state governments.

The need for a stronger Federal government soon became apparent and eventually led to the Constitutional Convention in 1787. The present United States Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation on March 4, 1789.

asylum?
Awareness of what?


My strength is in grazing while my weakness is in digesting...

I feel as if you contradicted yourself. First, you said that we have it wrong if we assume that high level officials aren't involved in the NWO order plans.

Then, you said that at some point they became aware and involved--when FDR became president.

I believe high ranking officials are now very involved in the NWO.

They might not have been at first, but they certainly are now.

Obama has done more to curtail our freedoms than even Bush, although he was just as bad in some ways.

reply to post by Hopechest


Hopechest, you are officially my personal FAVORITE philosopher and this is officially my favorite topic thread to ever be apart of. That is how much I agree with you on your thoughts. I punder this ALL THE TIME and completely agree that there is something out there controlling the whole picture, bigger than what we already know of as big and more powerful and superior to what we already consider to be the most powerful and superior. Presidents at first are not sure of this until they actually become President, it is something you must experience to understand, and then they see that they dont really call the shots. Remember the President who claimed to reveal all Government held UFO/Alien information if he became President? Than after he did, he couldn't even get inside to see for himself. I'm personally not much of a reptilian believer myself but if I did believe in reptilians, it would be because of this exact reason, I feel like we are being used.. Maybe as a long-time experiment that's been going on, I don't know but I feel like it has connections out of this world. I used to believe we were Litterally one big alien ant farm

reply to post by Hopechest


Remember to keep in mind though that it might not be one group... there could be several and they could all be at war. Think of them like immense versions of street gangs... just with more money and knowledge and far more sophisticated.