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Those who think high level figures in government are part of conspiracy.........

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posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by colbyforce

thanks but i can't view videos ... got a narrative ?

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 05:30 PM
reply to post by nomnom

rarely is their power transferred for more than 3 generations
hmmm, you haven't studied the Vatican or the English Crown much, have ya ?

Whoever was in control in the early 20th century, clearly isn't right now. They're dead
and you can link an obituary for Kissinger, can ya ??

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 05:50 PM
reply to post by colbyforce

yeah, that's not new news, is it for you ?
what i'm suggesting is that this is a direct result of many generations of actions aimed specifically at achieving the stated goals.

some ppl actually agree with and support those goals, i am not one of them.
those who wish to participate should be able to, those who don't shouldn't be forced to comply.

unfortunately, to achieve the 'world' goal, the individual must cease to exist

economics is merely a 'tool' to achieve it.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 06:26 PM
reply to post by Honor93

Whilst I see where your coming from. Indeed i'm younger than most who care. But i'm not old and jaded

From what I have seen there is no "Big Club" There is a series of factions who consider their "Big Club" to be all supreme and powerful. These days they honestly focus more on getting one over on each other than controlling the masses effectively. This coupled with the fact many people aren't in the Know. Many "Elites" are jumping ship.

Without your generation people like me wouldn't exist. And without people like me the next lot wouldn't exist either.

Indeed not knowing who to trust yet needing to build ranks has been the major thing holding back human resistance for decades. I truly believe we crossed that threshold 2-3 years ago.

But back on point. Who to blame/focus attention on? Never trust a Free Mason (I learned that early on)

Free Masons, Various Illuminati Sects around the planet, Jesuits, British Royal Family, Chicago Clan (Bush - operator of CIA), North Koreans posing as Japanese politicians.

That group for the most part are the main people to blame. Its difficult to trace our current Corruption and Tyranny further past the "Khazar Warrior Clan" from 1500+ years ago. That's where the Rothschild faction eventually came from. If one wants to take it back crazy far a lot of esoteric teachings can be traced back to Akhenaten's mystery school!! But we are going back to the beginnings of egypt now.

More important questions would be who controls the Navy (truly controls the Navy) I hope its either the Rothschild family or other such human factions at the same level or attempting to be. My research has shown me the Navy has all the fun advanced technology and toys. (If project Blue Beam was ever to be attempted the Navy would have been heavily involved).

But honestly I cant find any information that shows anyone with any real clout or power other than the Rothschild faction or others at the same level. Other people are involved some with deep hatred for the Rothschild faction. But that doesn't change anything. Still just another group of humans armed with lies and a bag of tricks.

Lets say their is another group behind the Rothschild faction. Who cares that barrier wont buy them much time. At this point I don't think a World War will occur. and if it does it will be a week or so long. Our species doesn't like war anymore and we have our eyes out for false flags.

I truly feel the real Threat is a massive natural disaster that the Elites have knowledge of and have indeed themselves prepared. I feel this is there plan. Not tell us until completely too late if at all. wait out a decade in the DUMBS then return. If this is the case then.... Without a highly advanced species intervening in earthly affairs we are fuc*ed and our civilization will be set back a hundred or so years.

This might be an inevitability. Although one thing I know to be 100% legit. The Army throughout the 70's and onward were # scared of strange unexplained crafts that would hover over missile silos and make nuclear warheads inert. I know that actually happened and I know it had them # scared!!!!!! Another gem of knowledge from the Scene days.

So don't count out the human race just yet. As I previously stated I'm not banking on such an intervention taking place. I am as prepped as can be for my age/ economic class. But to all those who throw out intervention as a crazy conspiracy........ IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE

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posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 06:38 PM
reply to post by Hopechest

The logic seems sound, but these quotes and reports from politicians are a red herring to divert suspicion from themselves.

Before Bildergerg in 54, there was Bohemian grove which dates back to 1872.

Anyone, or i should say, any man, who was anyone throughout the last 100 years or so, attended there...future presidents, past presidents, governors, senators, politicians of all political views.

The public, media and the outside world were always forbidden to attend there, as is the case with Bilderberg too.

What else can we call it, when political leaders and captains of industry and commerce regularly meet and keep the details of their gatherings it's very nature the top people of the world have been conspiratorial for over 100 years.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 07:19 PM
reply to post by Mandrakerealmz

i wouldn't consider myself old or jaded either.
rather aged like a fine wine

decades of observing pays off, really it does.
2/3 of our 'sciences' developed from 'observation', nothing more.

well, imho, a limited vista prevents everyone from seeing the world surrounding them.

if you believe they are 'jumping ship', then you're really not paying attention ... it's been part of the plan for some time now.

yeah, that's how generations work so what's your point exactly ?
i don't follow what you're getting at ... i'm part of 5 living generations so how does that figure into the conversation ?

humans are humans and trust is subjective ... which is a problem only each individual can resolve, not government.

and if an individual cannot trust their government, why should they consent to it ??

Mabus leads the Navy now ... why would that concern you ?
BlueBeam 'attempted' ?? surely you jest ?
it's been underway for more years than you've been alive apparently

too many ppl are openly willing to buy into the BB projections, whether they be messianic or alien. it will present as a most encompassing event that requires world unity to address.

and if that 'world unity' requires the elimination of opposing 'factions', well then, so be it.
what better depopulation scheme have they got going ??

all the others take time and in my generation, the baby boomers were supposed to die off early ... guess they fooled them, huh ??

as for a natural disaster, well yeah ... the Earth is dynamic, always has been and the pole shift is no joke. for anyone to think it will have a minor impact is just plain naive.

um yes, i've read those accounts too.
and i never said we were alone in this universe.
so, how does the 'unknown' become known ?

i don't count the human race out or their inherent ability to survive the most heinous attacks regardless the perpetrator.

however, eliminating the hydra shouldn't be the goal, starving it should be and everyone can participate should they choose.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 07:36 PM
reply to post by Honor93

I more refer to un-involved members of the cogs for ship jumping. When whatever big event occurs either caused by them or not I see them excessively killing each other. There may be a large population reduction that happens at this time so its our job to dodge the bullets and survive as best we can. SHTF is obviously coming.

A "Better World" is far away however this pause on society and certain areas of technological development and spiritual hijacking is utterly retarded. We have been here in this specific delusion of reality for a while, all of my life at least and I have always rejected societies massive logic voids everywhere. At the very least after SHTF or a major BB event not just this subtle suggestion tactics reality will be at least a lot more fun. And more full of true potential. This coming dark age wont last too long in comparison to previous societal hickups.

From someone looking in to becoming awake. Truth is damn scary... We all know that. I personally have noticed a more positive trend as of the last 2 years which is more promising. I don't believe the plan is going off completely without a hitch. This pleases me

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posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by colbyforce

yeah, that's not new news, is it for you ?
what i'm suggesting is that this is a direct result of many generations of actions aimed specifically at achieving the stated goals.

some ppl actually agree with and support those goals, i am not one of them.
those who wish to participate should be able to, those who don't shouldn't be forced to comply.

unfortunately, to achieve the 'world' goal, the individual must cease to exist
economics is merely a 'tool' to achieve it.

Yeah, I know it's not new.... still interesting info if true, I think. Who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes on this one... your op I'm referring to. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. I won't even discount evil entities, aliens... who the hell knows why it's really being done and how they are doing it. A lot of these cabal types are said to worship satan, or Lucifer, right? They've sold their soles for material bs, and they're paying the piper with their actions. I think the workings of the universe are really much more complex than we can imagine. I guess we'll have to see how it all plays out. Isn't good supposed to triumph over evil? I hope so.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 10:03 PM
reply to post by Honor93

Kissinger wasn't in power in the early 20th century, nor is he now.

The Vacitcan has not so much influence in the world now compared to say... 500 years ago. The crown has even less.
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posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 10:13 PM
Try looking at the PROTOCOLS of ZION . Look past all of the bullskate that they are plaguerized and see for yourself . When you read into them you will see who is claiming them to be a fraud and realise that they are for real . Then you will see who is in control of our top officials including the top office .

The New World Order is real and so is the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion .

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 10:35 PM

Originally posted by nomnom
reply to post by Honor93

Kissinger wasn't in power in the early 20th century, nor is he now.

The Vacitcan has not so much influence in the world now compared to say... 500 years ago. The crown has even less.
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oh my geez, i'm not sure what you consider "early" 20th century but i assure you Kissinger was very much part of the game since the 40s and his 'mentors' originated in the 1800s.
ppl die, philosophies, ideas, plans, aggressions don't.

and yes, he is now too ... behind the scenes and that's exactly the kind of ppl we're discussing.
do you have any idea how much Harvard influences every aspect of this administration ?
guess who heavily influences Harvard ? yep, Kissinger. (since the 60s)

feel free to verify what i'm saying, it's not a secret.
the Vatican and the Crown are the specific influences from which Americans desired distance.
isn't it amazing that both have a strange-hold on everything from our legislation to our economics ??

and yes, the Zionists play a significant role in all of it too ... and notice, Zionists come in all flavors of ppl.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 10:37 PM
reply to post by colbyforce

i hope so too

Isn't good supposed to triumph over evil? I hope so.

just remember, all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and DO nothing.
don't let that be you.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 10:51 PM
reply to post by Mandrakerealmz

i think you under-estimate their suvivability.
rule #1 - never under-estimate your opponent.

i also think your anticipation can and will assist in the eventual outcome ... hence, focus more on here and now.

releasing that technology which has been withheld would be a great place to focus more attention.

'societal hiccup' eh ??
cute ... personally i see it as a persistent decline but hey, i've been looking a bit longer.

sometimes, the truth hurts but it is what it is ... that doesn't mean it is what it will always be.
the earth is flat was an accepted truth.
the people shall overcome is still an accepted truth.
but as you said, time will tell.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 11:20 PM
reply to post by Honor93

You are too far gone for a serious discussion.

Thanks for letting me know for future reference.

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 11:30 PM
reply to post by nomnom

alrighty then, let me know when you catch-up and perhaps we can achieve a mutual understanding

posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 11:55 PM
reply to post by Honor93

Honor93, thanks for the interesting replies to my comments... I always value input of anyone that is capable of making myself dig deeper to obtain more information for my ever changing and growing philosophies.

It does seem that we are pretty much in agreement to the big picture at hand here. I just refuse to ever put a specific moment in time, or a specific action in time to be the decided failure of this nation (U.S.A.)... I don't like to finger point, and prefer to move forward with the big picture in mind. I would not even dare to indicate that you or anybody is wrong in their stated opinions of how it all led to our current situation of doom... I always like to stay within the parameters of 1% and 99% to keep the quest for more information alive.

I guess I should have specified more clearly about the 'revolution,' or lack thereof as to which nation I was referring to. I was thinking as an American in that statement, and just believe that Americans gave up when the opportunities to prevail were very real. I do think that the constitution was written with a nervous hand as the feelings of betrayal were already in motion, and the Treaty you speak of does indicate as so. That does not mean a chance to overcome the betrayals was impossible going forward. If an American citizen revolution was enacted every decade or so, and federal government officials of the U.S.A. were ousted as a whole, it would have drastically reduced the timeline of which betrayal could have set foot into the American society as a whole... maybe even eliminate the betrayal. Yes, we would almost constantly be engaged in Uncivil War, but at least America would be fighting for American freedoms.

posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:53 AM
reply to post by Hopechest

I would like you to read this thread it explores how a Secret Society planned World War 1 World War 2 way before it's time

posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:29 AM
reply to post by ttobban

your're welcome and i'd accept the label motivator
but can we leave it there ?
i'm not a fan of 'making' ppl do anything

agree or not isn't really important, having access to the knowledge to process is and i'm happy to assist.

for the record, i don't believe this nation ever 'failed'.
nor do i believe we will.
(ha, bet you didn't expect that, did ya?)

i prefer to believe we never really finished what our fore-fathers began.
and not necessarily the ones who drafted the Constitution either.
the ones who fought and died so we'd never see this day ...
these are the 'men and women' i choose to honor.

if you've never read the Anti & Federalist papers, you should.
these are the result of battle, not the cause of it.

remember, a Treaty came first ... everything else came after, hence, the Treaty rules supreme.
all i ask and have yet to get answered is this ... does that Treaty read like the 'spoils' of a wartime victory went to Americans ??

also, since commerce was 2/3rds the reason for war in the first place, why wasn't it specifically addressed in the Treaty ?
everything else seems to be, territory, government & propriety ... why not commerce ?

(in case you don't know, the Crown was already getting a 'kickback' from the expedition agreement w/VA and it carries forward to today, that's the point)

heck, you might want to review this too ... who and what is the IRS

i don't disagree with ya and if you read the Federalist series, you'll see for yourself Jefferson agreed as well.
he was of the opinion that the 'agreement' would be renewed with each generation (roughly 19/20yrs) to address their needs of their time.

ever heard Clay Jenkin's podcasts ?
they're pretty cool if you're interested ... Jefferson hour

ever wonder why the capitol changed from Philly to DC or why DC isn't part of or a stand alone 'state' ??

posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:27 AM
reply to post by starwarsisreal

nice thread ... sorry i missed it back then.
hopechest isn't the only one that should read it.

here's one of Steiner's recurring points that resonates with me.
"Anyone who is not properly trained for bridge building will soon be enlightened as to his deficiencies when he comes to actual practice. He will soon show himself to be a bungler and find his services generally declined.

But when a man is not properly trained for his work in social life, his deficiencies are not so readily demonstrated.

A badly built bridge breaks down; and then even the most prejudiced can see that he who built it was a bungler.

But the bungling that goes on in social work is not so directly apparent.
It only shows itself in the suffering of one's fellow-men.

And the connection between this suffering and bungling is not one that people recognize as readily as the connection between the breakdown of a bridge and the incompetent bridge builder." --- Rudolf Steiner, Anthroposophy and the Social Question

and then, Henrich and his infuence was overshadowed by the Berlin wall coming down.

same link

In 1989, Rolf Henrich, an East German lawyer and Communist party member, advocated transforming Communist Germany into a Threefold Republic.

His book, The Guardian State—The Failure of Socialism as it Actually Exists, was banned and he was expelled from the legal profession and the Communist party.

He appeared in West German media, including an interview by Der Spiegel, an influential magazine.
He was one of three co-founders of the New Forum, one of the first and largest independent political movements, which grew to 200,000 members. He travelled around Communist Germany in an effort to bring the Threefold Idea.

However, within weeks, the Berlin Wall fell, and Socialist Germany was absorbed by Corporatist Germany, and the idea of a Threefold Germany was again stifled.

The New Forum eventually merged with the Green Party. Rolf Henrich's story is described in the Summer 1990 issue of The Threefold Review magazine.

don't get me wrong, i'm not advocating one system over another, i'm merely pointing out this has been a long, drawn-out (literally) battle of territory, energy, wits, force, will, fence-jumping, priorities and preferences, coupled with a perpetually scripted outcome.

we can agree or disagree, it doesn't really matter.
what does matter is the history.
that is what has brought us to today and how we can/will shape tomorrow.

it shall be up to us and those we leave behind to avert or repeat history, but they cannot be expected to know if we are not aware and willing to share.

posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:53 AM
reply to post by Honor93

So let me ask you this Honor. Is/was Jordan Maxwell sniffing around the right spot in your opinion, or is that a fine example of misinformation? I tend to agree with alot of what you're putting out here, I just thought Mr. Maxwell might have flown over the cuckoo's nest when I delved a bit into his theories some time back.

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