I figured out why Boehner and the republicans do not want to tax the wealthy.

Originally posted by TheWrightWing
Who are you to determine how much anyone can earn? Why not earn some yourself?

Stop counting other peoples money and worry about your own situation.

This is by far the dumbest thing i've ever read, sorry.

It matters when those people hoard the money leaving the rest to scrounge....

No one person needs that amount of money anymore.. nor do they DESERVE it.

People's "own situation" is in these rich people's hands... DON'T YOU GET IT?

Originally posted by yourmaker

This is by far the dumbest thing i've ever read, sorry.

It matters when those people hoard the money leaving the rest to scrounge....

No one person needs that amount of money anymore.. nor do they DESERVE it.

People's "own situation" is in these rich people's hands... DON'T YOU GET IT?

In fact it is your argument and your ignorance of facts that show your inability to think clearly...

What people like you are calling for is to give more power to the state/government and take away more individual rights...

YOU are the one that doesn't get it...

How easy leftwingers forget, or decide to ignore facts and history...

For example, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission was implemented by Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Progressive Democrat in 1934, supposedly to solve problems like the great depression from ever occurring again... Never mind that it was because of the implementation of the Federal Reserve Act, as well as the IRS with it's progressive taxes among other leftwing policies, by another Progressive Democrat, and a Democrat Congress, which allowed for the Depression to occur and every other economic crisis since then...

Anyway, despite the fact that Progressive Democrats created and gave power to the U.S. Security and Exchange Commision to keep an eye on Wall Street, and to regulate it, yet what has happened?... Despite the fact that these regulations caused more problems we are being told AGAIN that the state/government must be given more power and control over EVERYONE, not only the 1%, to make "distribution of wealth equally"...

it's not like history has shown that every nation which has followed this path not only became a dictatorship but made EVERY regular citizen even poorer than they were before the implementation of these leftwing policies...

Yet, the new socialists/communists are now, AGAIN, claiming that giving more power to the state/government and taking away more individual rights, "for the good of all/the collective" will make everything better...

Unfortunately stupidity and ignorance are traits of most of humanity even these days...

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by conspiracy nut

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

Productivity going up has nothing to do with workers working harder.

Just the opposite actually. Its the advent of technology and machines that make productivity go up. Look at how much more our farms can produce even though small family farms have all but been destroyed.

Productivity is a corporate goal and leads to layoffs, reduction in jobs, and higher unemployment.

If anyone deserves a raise for the increase in production its the guys that fired their workers and replaced them with machines.

See how silly your point is?

ok so in your opinion we should be like chinese workers and just continue to work for companies that make billions in profits as we sit there and eat peanuts? because w your attitude thats exactly where we are headed.

see how silly your point is?

You get paid for the type of work you do. Somebody who stacks boxes should never make as much as someone who went to college and earned a degree. If you think your pay is to low then go out and increase your skillset to get a better job.

Don't blame those that have earned their position and call it unfair. Join the corporate world if that's your goal in life. Its not a difficult process.

Instead we find people that are lazy and simply want those that have more than them to give them stuff without earning it.

What about those who have gone to school and got the certifications yet STILL can't get the job which pays more than a box stacker? This is the issue we are currently having and I work in employment. Many of my customers HAVE degrees and can't even find a job at Mcdonald's.

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by Hopechest

 

i guess we can agree to disagree. like i said in my op, i am not lazy, i am not a communist, i work, i provide for my family, i am currently in the proccess of improving my life and my wages so i can make more to have abetter quality of life for my family. yet the scary part is as i continue to make more money the prices of everyday staples such as gas, and food continue to skyrocket. if you are content eating ramen noodles (i.e cake) then by all means continue to do so. i will not sit hear and be told to suck it up and eat cake. i will continue to voice my opinion and i certainly hope more americans will too.

Apologies, that statement was not directed at you but was said in a general sense. And no, I don't think your lazy or a communist, just a person who sounds frustrated as you should be.

I eat and live poorly so that one day I don't have to but I can imagine that if you have decided to have a family that it must be tough times although I'm sure many people feel its worth it and its not my place to dictate how others should live. I was only disagreeing that companies should be held responsible for the decisions people make in their own lives.

I'm massively in debt from school but I don't feel that the big oil companies should be responsible for me making my monthly payments when they hit just because they earn record profits. They didn't force me to go to school for all this time.

What you have is a very submissive and obedient demeanor. You are a bullies dream, they can tell you to keep your nose to the grind and you will do so with honor. If you were a slave you can be whipped and you would tell the master that you deserved it.

You fully accept this flawed world, thus enabling the oppressors. You state that you eat and live poorly...why are you fine with this?

Originally posted by kingofmd
I always thought because they understand that it is wrong to punish success. Stealing is defined by taking something that isn't yours. Naming it taxes or wealth redistribution doesn't change the fact that it is stealing. The democrats have embraced covetousness, and have sugar coated it.

Is it stealing to ask individuals to participate in society? That's what is being asked. Like it or not, contrary to some beliefs....we live in a society. We are all connected...as much as perhaps you, will hate to face the truth that the guy you call poor and lazy is still connected to you.

It's really simple and our world will not get better until we all work together and stop trying to separate from each other.

Originally posted by blackz28

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by TheWrightWing
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

It couldn't be that the "1%" pay well over 40% of all Federal Taxes, could it?

But they earn about 70% of the wealth.

Don't tell me that's fair.

yes its called owning a business, try starting one so obama can call you an evil capitalist

Does the title "business owner" seem to be the new term for slave owner to anyone else?

It seems the way people throw around the "try owning a business" statement as if the two are synominous. In the way the two SEPARATED themselves from everyone else.

reply to post by 2manyquestions


But what they say is accurare...

Money isn't infinite, lets say there's 100% available in America. If one side owns 70% and the other 30%, what is the only logical answer?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


it is your ignorance/denial of the facts that allows youto cling to a completely false view of history.

The Great Depression was created by the philosophy that businesses, and especially corporations should not. E regulated. Rules created under FDR did prevent another depression, up until Newt Gingriches free market scam eliminated those rules, and created the great depression into which we are currently mired.

What you foolishly seek is the elimination of democracy and the replacement of representative government with a corporate controlled world and a re-establishment of an aristocracy. This would be a very terrible thing.

Either you are being conned and need to wake up to that fact, or you actually support a new form of world empire. You might want to figure that out.

reply to post by TheWrightWing


I have no problem with people making buttloads of money, as long as they do indeed "earn" it. What I'm sick of are people making 80, 90, $100,000 a year or more simply because of who their parents are. Where I work, our production manager is where he's at simply because his father is upper management. Starting pay for that job was $95,000 a year and he "earns" none of that.

I also get sick of so many people on this very site complaining about not being able to watch videos because they are at work. THAT, in my opinion, is also not "earning" their money. If you're at work, you should be working, not surfing the internet.

reply to post by poet1b


Can you please post some evidence that high tax rates lead to income equity?

Raw facts state otherwise.

The income taxes (marginal) in the US have ranged from (top tier rates only) 28% (low) to 91% (high) from 1946-2007. This is the bulk of the period that is often referred to as the 'Golden Age' of growth for the United States.

The tax receipts (the actual money the US government has received) during this period stayed remarkably stationary with an average of 17.6% of GDP, ranging from 14.4% to 20.9%.

Income equity decreased throughout this period.

What does that tell us? That tax rates do not govern income equity.

Income equity is governed by societal characteristics, not by finance.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

it is your ignorance/denial of the facts that allows youto cling to a completely false view of history.

The Great Depression was created by the philosophy that businesses, and especially corporations should not. E regulated. Rules created under FDR did prevent another depression, up until Newt Gingriches free market scam eliminated those rules, and created the great depression into which we are currently mired.

What you foolishly seek is the elimination of democracy and the replacement of representative government with a corporate controlled world and a re-establishment of an aristocracy. This would be a very terrible thing.

Either you are being conned and need to wake up to that fact, or you actually support a new form of world empire. You might want to figure that out.

Ignorance....

No one fixed or solved the depression....

The great depression was hidden in the code of our Economy and the blood of our people thru the Victory of WW2...

Your eloquent use of words do not make your OPINIONS the truth....

As a matter a fact the flaw in our Economy AKA the Depression is still there, Not because of what a Politician or the banks did BUT because of the nature of the damn rules of our economic law...

Once again brilliant idiots using attitudes and ego's to be naive and ignorant on a site that is suppose to deny it.. Its more important to these people to be right, then find the truth....

reply to post by peck420


I have already provided links with the evidence.

How about you post some links to back up the nonsense you claim.

First of all, you don't even address the point I am making, and secondly your claims are nothing but averages that ignore changs made in those rates.

reply to post by Bicent76


So the US economy has never had any successful economic periods in the last century.

The flaws are not that deep at all, and have been known for over 200 years now.

Keep the banks in check, and under tight scrutiny, or they will quickly own the whole country.

Erase the fortunes created by the con artists, and re-re-distribute the money back to the working class people who created the wealth.

after much thought and reading through of this thread and debating with many people i believe my eyes have been opened a little.i have decided to move further and further form the left right paradigm and class warfare philosophy aka the blame game. i am starting to believe we can start off by addressing several key issues. materialism, greed, politicians in bed w lobbyists, corporations and big business, shying away from hard work and morals. if everyone followed the golden rule i don't think we would be experiencing the wage disparity and hoarding of extreme profits that are going on.

reply to post by poet1b


Why would I waste my time?

You have already determined what is 'fact' and what is 'fiction', no amount of empirical evidence will change that.

Here, because you are special:

US tax rates vs time:


US tax rates vs GDP growth:


US tax receipts vs GDP:


Modifying taxes will not fix the US's problems.

reply to post by TheWrightWing


haha you said why should you care what other people make. Well if one person makes $1 a week and another makes 100 thousand or a million a week thats a problem , OK.

Its called unfair. No one can justify huge pay gaps and I will tell you what the rich say at times " we are over paid" if they themselves say they arent worth the wages they get. Maybe people should listen.

reply to post by peck420


First, do you have any links to this data?

2nd, do you have any charts (with links to data) that have anything to do with the points I made?

Thirdly, can you offer an interpretation as to how you think this data is significant?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Bicent76

 

So the US economy has never had any successful economic periods in the last century.

The flaws are not that deep at all, and have been known for over 200 years now.

Keep the banks in check, and under tight scrutiny, or they will quickly own the whole country.

Erase the fortunes created by the con artists, and re-re-distribute the money back to the working class people who created the wealth.

for someone sounding like they know it all, I did not think I had to make my point any more simple...

As I said the dynamic that created the great depression still exists and was never fixed...

It is still there the thing that is feared...

Men like you are more worried about the strength of your walls, and not the change I show...

My last response, good Luck in being an ats god..





get them stars...

reply to post by Bicent76


Hey, if you know how to permanently fix our economy, please share.

I really don't think there is a fix all to keep bankers from lying cheating and stealing, but if you got one, please put it out there.

First I recommend not confusing your ego with mine.