Absolutely, any time I can share my knowledge I am absolutely happy to do so. If you're interested in the subject I suggest doing your own research as I'm presenting the information I have absorbed, and the understanding I took from it. There is plenty of information about this subject I am unaware of, if you can struggle through some of the more complicated lingo I do suggest the read. Even if only a wiki page.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Hijinx
The gravity alone would likely crush you to bits long before you got to the event horizon, let alone in the black hole itself.
Nope, no crushing. The opposite. Tidal forces would tear you apart (see "spaghettification").
But this applies to stellar sized black holes which would have an extreme gravity gradient outside the event horizon. Supermassive black holes are another story but you still would have to deal with all that accreted material doing nasty things all around you.
Not so much with a Supermassive black hole. Because the Schwarzschild radius of a such a beast is relatively large, the tidal forces at that distance are not nearly as intense as they are with less massive objects. Spaghettification wouldn't occur until passage beyond the event horizon of a supermassive object. Outside the horizon you'll encounter infalling gas, dust, even rocks.
Isn't the resulting accretion disk due to tidal forces breaking larger objects to bits anyhow?
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I know exactly what this thing is.
These black holes are not natural, But they are worm hole, star jump type portals to other universes. Aliens designed them to travel through. They have the ability to hide the black holes so we don't see them coming and going.
That may sound silly but Occams Razor says I'm 100% right.edit on 2-3-2013 by JohnPhoenix because: sp
The application of the principle often shifts the burden of proof in a discussion.[a] The razor states that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. The simplest available theory need not be most accurate. Philosophers also point out that the exact meaning of simplest may be nuanced.
Solomonoff's inductive inference is a mathematically formalized Occam's razor: shorter computable theories have more weight when calculating the probability of the next observation, using all computable theories which perfectly describe previous observations.
In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic (general guiding rule or an observation) to guide scientists in the development of theoretical models rather than as an arbiter between published models. In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result.
Originally posted by Bilky
reply to post by SilentE
Nothing phisical could posibly exist at that range because even light is sucked in by the incredible gravitic attraction. I am no physicist but it seems impossible for anything constructed to exist there.
I'll bet a model may look something like this
Originally posted by Hijinx
Originally posted by XxkingofosirisxX2014
The OP actually makes sense. Scientist believe you could pass through a black hole but they don't know what would happen if done so. When they show pictures of animated black holes they're always spherical and depict them as being a solid mass. Both of those theories counteract themselves. You cant pass through mass like it doesn't exist, so it would only make more sense to believe that after a star turns supernova causing a black hole and a possible rip through time and space, that it would be more or less the absence of matter and or space and possibly disc like, being plausible to be able to pass though dimensions in theory.
Just my uneducated opinion, I know no more than the next average person about the topic.
SOME scientists speculate it could be possible to pass through a black hole. It's not a universal belief, but more of a thought. We really know absolutely nothing about black holes, aside from the mathematical formulas written to suggest their existence. There is to date no definitive proof they exist, but there are anomalies in space that are best explained by the black hole theory.
Black holes are really complicated, to explain. The are not disk shaped, they are spheroids. To try to paint this picture let's take a sphere, say a baseball. The star is the baseball. Once a star has reached it's critical state, where it no longer has enough fuel to support it's fusion process, if the conditions and mass of the star are correct it will super nova, casting off it's outer most layer.
Now, here it gets kind of weird and hard to imagine. The remaining sphere becomes so dense, that it collapses with in itself. There is still matter present, how ever this star has become much more dense and smaller than it's original self in such a way that it has fallen through itself. The sphere still exists, but in another dimension with in itself. I really don't even know how to put it into words. It's moved from a three dimensional object, into a more complex shape. A sphere with in a sphere I suppose. I do not possess the words to paint this image for you I'm sorry. There is matter with mass with in a black hole. With out either of those things the gravity anomaly would not exist. The event horizon is the very edge of the gravitational influence of that mass where anything that enters can do nothing but move towards the core(the sphere with in the sphere) Appearing to disappear from existence in this dimension.( 3 dimensional universe to 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th, not sure what that sphere with in a sphere shape would fall under.)
What happens when you cross the event horizon has enormous amounts of speculation. I was reading up on black holes earlier on, and it was said it takes a finite( or set amount of time, found from speed and distance from event horizon) to reach the event horizon, how ever once you crossed that point there would be an absolute absence of time as we perceive it here, or else where in space. So for those of us observing the cross outside the black hole the object,(dust, rocks, planet, star, person.) would appear to be gone in a fraction of a second, where as the object entering would be locked in a timeless environment unaware of it's crossing into the black hole. It's really bizarre and a whole lot of these concepts and theories are hard to digest and visualize. Sure I can read them and regurgitate it. I could repeat the math, so could you but actually imagining these things is a really fantastical thought.
Any deeper than this and it's above me.edit on 2-3-2013 by Hijinx because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SilentE
Originally posted by bloodreviara
A wormhole linked power siphon for a type
4 civilization? Wonder if it could be waves
of dark matter or something like that, that's
just random guessing by a completely unqualified
person, i can't wait to find out though.
That's better than what I could come up with!
I just thought.. 'Structure' = Spaceship
Originally posted by intrptr
Two black holes orbiting each other?
We know that galaxies collide merging their stars. We know there are many multiple star systems.
Have we yet to confirm a pair of black holes orbiting each other?
I think a binary black hole is only a theory.