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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Is this the part where we ignore the OP's attempts to steer the discussion back on topic?
You haven't posted in this thread since 4pm yesterday, though you've been otherwise active on the site, so it's a little difficult to sympathize with your incredulity.
However, as I noted earlier, your last appearance was prior to this post, would you care to respond to that direct question now?
Then why are the definitions (and, by extension, standards,) those relating to human beings?
If you're honestly asking a question, not attempting to further a cause, you need to explain how God and a repressive government are the same thing, or else restate your question in a non-subjective form.
And I gave my opinion. I don't believe God is a tyrant. I believe He is sovereign, Holy, and righteous.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I compared "God" to an oppressive government. If you take contention with that, then prove to me that it is flawed comparison.
God and human government have few, if any, characteristics in common, so I again ask why you think that it is an apt comparison?
But let me cut to the chase -- you believe that God is a tyrant, because he has some laws that he wants you to follow, right? Every system of morality has some laws that they want you to follow, so are you saying that morality and civilization, in themselves, are tyrannical? That love and freedom can only exist in anarchy and chaos?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by adjensen
"God" punishes all rebellion with extreme prejudice.
"God" knows everything. The government wants to.
"God" wants monkeys to grease his gears. SO does the government.
"God" dislikes independence.
If he gave everyone the freedom to choose their own destiny and face the natural earthly consequences of their actions without his ever having to step in, I would be happy.
I am asking you to defend your god since he obviously can't be bothered to face me himself.
I have never seen any indication that anything else is the case. What is your evidence that this is not the case?
Rebellion is as sinful as witchcraft. (1 Samuel 15:23, NLT2)
Evil people are eager for rebellion. (Proverbs 17:11, NLT2)
If you will only obey me, you will have plenty to eat. But if you turn away and refuse to listen, you will be devoured by the sword of your enemies. I, the LORD, have spoken! (Isaiah 1:19-20, NLT2)
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. (Romans 13:1-2, NIV)
“What sorrow awaits my rebellious children,” says the LORD. “You make plans that are contrary to mine. You make alliances not directed by my Spirit, thus piling up your sins.” (Isaiah 30:1, NLT2)
Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. (Romans 6:16, NLT2)
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by adjensen
I have never seen any indication that anything else is the case. What is your evidence that this is not the case?
Hell is not an earthly consequence. And to the contrary, he is a jealous god. If you do not obey his wishes, you are not worth having. This has been stated numerous times in the Bible.
If he gave everyone the freedom to choose their own destiny and face the natural earthly consequences of their actions without his ever having to step in, I would be happy.
I don't see what your complaint is. Are you mad about hell? What does that have to do with what you posted?
You don't believe in God. You don't believe in hell. I really don't see any point to anything that you're posting, apart from you thinking that you're making a clever point somehow.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
And I gave my opinion. I don't believe God is a tyrant. I believe He is sovereign, Holy, and righteous.
Why do you believe that?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I actually have heard of it, me and adjensen discussed it in another thread months ago.
How are you being analytical by taking it at face value? To accept without question does not mean you analyze it. The interpretation I have is what has lead out of the words from my objective, analytical study of the scripture.
Being objective means you are not influenced by personal emotion. You are far from objective when you interpret the bible. Taking everything at face value is the complete opposite of objectivity.
Same reason I believe the father and mother of a house get to make the rules for that said house.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You believe "God" is love. I see symptoms of tyranny. Explain why you believe "God" is love, seeing as how I have already provided my argument.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by adjensen
Why did you even bother posting on this thread, if you feel it's that pointless?
Because I thought you had a point to it in the beginning and just weren't articulating it properly. That does not appear to be the case.