reply to post by SubAce
I agree with all that you posted, but there is no paradox with what I outline.
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
Where is Cain in this? Well, we can conclude that the line from Adam to Christ does not include Cain. The Son of God creates Adam in Genesis 2.
Elohim creates the image in Genesis 1. Adam is not born, then Cain is first born on Earth, but the seed of Satan. What does it say of Satan's seed
in Genesis 3? The heel of the loaf crushes his rulership.
1 John 3
11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered
his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and
sisters, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in
death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
Love is the way for union with the Spirit to take place. Do you agree that we will be baptized into the Spirit? How?
You and I are washed in the blood. Water baptism puts out fire. How will the rest be refined and saved?
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to
flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our
father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree
that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance (putting out the FIRE). But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not
worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor,
gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Water or fire? We will all be baptized into spirit. Water puts out fire and reserves us for Spirit ahead of the fire. Read Revelation 20. Some die
naturally and some come out of the fire. I am quite sure that many will never come out of the fire.
Baptism is our immersion so the wool can be cleansed with water. The Robe we receive is that sin washed in the water.
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had
maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge
our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants,
their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence.
16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’[a]
nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’
These come out of the fire. There is no question, the body of Christ is the loaf (Church). There are those who are not of the church, but of Cain,
and will not love anyone. They will destroy the body. What happens when they do?
Isaiah 26 (No Baptism for them)
19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
You must be born again. Some will choose to stay in the empty (Burning) tomb of the old Earth. I suppose they will hide in their caves.
Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks
of the mountains.
While it is true they will kill our bodies, our souls will emerge again in a new body and a new Earth. 1000 years remain.
10 When the Lord your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you—a land with large, flourishing
cities you did not build, 11 houses filled with all kinds of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves
you did not plant—then when you eat and are satisfied, 12 be careful that you do not forget the Lord, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land
13 Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; 15 for the
Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land. 16 Do not
put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah. 17 Be sure to keep the commands of the Lord your God and the stipulations and decrees he has
given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the Lord’s sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord
promised on oath to your ancestors, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you, as the Lord said.
Future bliss can neither be imagined, explained, nor described. We know nothing of its nature, form, greatness, or beauty, its quantity or quality.
This much one should know, the phrase, "the world to come," does not imply that it is a world yet to be called into existence; it exists already, but
the phrase is employed to describe the life into which those who are in the present stage of existence will be transposed when they throw off this
That world is here today. Already in the Heavens.
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