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The "Johnny Appleseed" approach to creating mass killers

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posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 11:21 AM
I found an article that takes a hard look at the collusion between the government, specifically the FDA, and the psychiatric industry and the way there has been virtually no oversight over the way they hand out prescription pills for every supposed malady under the sun. The article points out that the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, is full of completely made up mental disorders with no conceivable way to accurately diagnose anyone with a mental illness other than some psychiatrists say so. It also shows how the FDA has given its full support for the overmedication of the American public for virtually everything and anything that can be called a mental disorder.

They specifically point out the dangers of SSRI drugs.

“all the SSRIs [including Prozac and Luvox] relieve the patient of feeling. He becomes less empathic, as in `I don’t care as much,’ which means `It’s easier for me to harm you.’ If a doctor treats someone who needs a great deal of strength just to think straight, and gives him one of these drugs, that could push him over the edge into violent behavior.”

“six depressed patients, previously free of recent suicidal ideation, who developed `intense, violent suicidal preoccupations after 2-7 weeks of fluoxetine [Prozac] treatment.’ The suicidal preoccupations lasted from three days to three months after termination of the treatment. The report estimates that 3.5 percent of Prozac users were at risk.

The secret at the bottom of psychiatry’s rabbit hole

Seeing as how these drugs tend to have these effects on patients, it becomes glaringly clear that treating a large segment of the population with such drugs is likely to create people who lose control, feel no remorse for their actions and have violent or self destructive thoughts put into their heads from taking these medications. Even if only a small percentage of those medicated develope these issues, the problem becomes magnified as the drugs are increasingly prescribed throughout the country.

I find it hard to believe that all of this could have come about by accident.

What I came to call a “Johnny Appleseed specter” loomed over America. If psychiatrists dispensed enough of these drugs, seeding the population, we would be in for random shootings and killings and suicides on into the indefinite future. And psychiatrists were, in fact, handing out these drugs like candy. No one at the FDA or any enforcement government agency was ringing alarm bells.

In the ensuing years, I became much more aware of the influence of drug companies in this Johnny Appleseed operation. They had, in fact, struck a deal to rescue the sinking profession of psychiatry. The arrangement was simple and potent: Big Pharma would bankroll psychiatric conferences and education, prop up flagging journals with advertising money, and generally promote the repute of psychiatry, in return for a certain kind of research:

The research would “prove” that all mental disorders were the result of chemical imbalances in the brain, and no amount of talk therapy would resolve these issues. Instead, it would take drugs, which of course would be developed and sold by Pharma.

The secret at the bottom of psychiatry’s rabbit hole

The author of the article seems to think it was just a conspiracy between Big Pharma and the Psychiatric industry to make money but, they could have never gotten away with it all without the collusion of the FDA and big government who probably operated under darker motivations.

It seems to me that the number one preoccupation of people in government today is finding ways to increase their power over the general population. What better way to increase this power than by creating monsters among the people who will commit crimes so horrendous that society will cry for the government to come save them from the sick and deranged among them?

Almost every mass shooter has been known to have been prescribed some type of psychiatric medicine before they comitted their acts and the government and MSM have been quick to sensationalize each and every shooting in order to further their agenda of complete control.

It sure looks to me that this is the fruition of a longstanding plan to flood the population with dangerous psychiatric meds in the hopes of driving certain suseptable people over the edge to commit ever more horrific crimes until the public demands that it be disarmed and that everyone with one of these supposed "mental disorders" be removed from the streets, or at least strictly monitored by agents of the government and mental health profession.

posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 05:22 PM
reply to post by FortAnthem
It's not just psychiatrists who are over prescribing mood altering drugs. For example: two years ago my youngest daughter developed a rash that continued to worsen and spread all over her body no matter what remedies we tried so I took her to her doctor (not our old family doctor as she is grown and found another doctor in the city she was living in at the time). This doctor prescribed her some kind of cream to treat skin parasites and also prescribed her Xanax! Why the hell would you need Xanax for a rash? I was with her during the exam and she said nothing that would give the doctor any idea that she was experiencing anxiety or anything of the sort!

Frustrated I took her straight to our old family doctor in my town (her town now again as well) and he immediately recognized it as a bacterial infection and prescribed 2 different antibiotics- which cleared the rash within days. Needless to say my daughter never went back to that first doctor, and she shredded the prescriptions her had given her when we stopped by my house to pick up some Calamine lotion.

It is unbelievable to me how so many doctors are prescribing unnecessary mind altering drugs when there is nothing wrong with them except illness or injury. I had heard people talk about their doctors trying to prescribe them such medications along with their regular prescriptions but I didn't believe it until I witnessed it for myself. I know the drug my daughter's doctor prescribed to her wasn't an SSRI drug, but it still shows that doctors are passing out mind altering drugs like candy when they aren't warranted what so ever.

posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 06:42 PM
reply to post by littled16

Wow! Its bad enough with the psychiatric quacks dumping their garbage down everyone's throats, now you gotta worry about the regular docs pushing this crap.

Its a good thing you went with your daughter to see that quack. Not only would she have not gotten any help for her rash but, she would have been put on unnecessary mood altering drugs as well. Good job looking out there.

posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 06:52 PM
Excellent thread...should be mandatory reading for all of ATS along with Heffs on the same topic. S+F

Here is

posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:07 PM
reply to post by littled16

That is just crazy man, crazy.

posted on Mar, 1 2013 @ 02:48 AM
The thing is, you don't even have need facts to see first hand, as a patient, how belittling and greedy the whole American Mental Health System is. It's so blatantly obvious, and the deeper one is in the system, the worse it gets. Misdiagnosis is common and sometimes psychiatrists do not think twice about the diagnosis. If its been on your charts for awhile, guarantee its there for life, plus more may be coming your way. I think they keep records for around 7 years at offices and hospitals before they start to shred them.

Half of the crappy story is that the side effects of these medications are never talked about, even to the point of psychiatrists lying up front about the side effects.

posted on Mar, 1 2013 @ 03:50 AM
reply to post by FortAnthem

Yep. I have been saying these drugs are the cause forever.
Hands down, these drugs ARE the cause of these shootings. People haven't changed, guns have always been there, the last variable are the medications. And when you look at cases of random acts of violence committed by teens where it was unexpected you see almost all of them have this in common.
Look at the list that now deceased gun manufacturer put on his facebook.

When you start to realize that there are several teens in every classroom on one of these SSRI's you start to figure it out.

posted on Mar, 1 2013 @ 03:55 AM
reply to post by littled16

He may have prescribed xanax on the chance that the rash was stress related. Xanax has sedative effects, and doesn't do the same kind of mind alteration as the SSRI's, so I wouldn't lump it in with them, but yeah it's addictive and it was the right call not letting the daughter take it.

posted on Mar, 1 2013 @ 04:04 AM
reply to post by FortAnthem

This whole medications creates mass killers theory is nonsense. Mass murderers have been around since we have recorded history, long before these drugs were developed. What drug created them? How many mass murderers have been documented to have been taking SSRIs before they went on a killing spree? Many normal people take SSRIs daily, how many of them become mass murderers?

posted on Mar, 2 2013 @ 01:32 AM
For all the ATS people who want a better world. Here you have it. Take action and stop the real madness.

The comments at the bottom of Rappoport's blog are especially interesting.

posted on Mar, 2 2013 @ 01:39 AM
A couple of years ago I was in Afghanistan and I was talking to my family on a sat phone and my kid told me "dad I have ADHD and my school says I need medicine". My wife was upset and wanted to get these needed meds for my son to "fix" him...

I'm a psychology major and I told my wife he doesn't have it, and he didn't, AND years later he is still perfectly normal, but I could easily see in another family my son loaded up with drugs...

Funny how some of the side effects to ALL these drugs are...suicidal tendencies and depression... lol

edit on 2-3-2013 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 2 2013 @ 02:42 AM

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
reply to post by FortAnthem

This whole medications creates mass killers theory is nonsense. Mass murderers have been around since we have recorded history, long before these drugs were developed. ...

Of course there have been murderers and criminals before. But they had a specific purpose for killing people, usually theft or revenge. But these SSRI-induced mass murders have a new and frightening quality to them that in my opinion sets them apart from earlier crimes. Can you remember a specific incident before World War II that had these characteristics?

  1. Perpetrator makes no effort to kill secretly or survive. Usually commits suicide.
  2. No personal benefit gained from the crime, not even sexual gratification.
  3. Hate is general and completely uncontrolled. Victims are random, total destruction for others and himself.
  4. Perpetrator usually has no history of extreme violence and then switches to full psychosis, losing any sense of guilt or responsibility.

One should admit that drugs have been around before. The closest thing to SSRI-induced mass murder I could think of is when somebody commits a crime after consuming a mind-altering drug like Opium or is drunk. But still: I do not know of a similar dimension of insanity induced by Opium or alcohol. SSRIs are the most dangerous drugs our society has ever seen and they are enforced on children. Now, THIS is real madness!

In this context it is interesting to learn about this evil trick to turn people with a religious belief into assassins and terrorists. This is bad, but still not the same as SSRI-induced mass murder.

posted on Mar, 2 2013 @ 09:46 AM
After reading some of the comments above, I see I wasn't alone in my totally shocking experience...

So I take meds for high blood pressure and I go in for check ups every 3 to 6 of these visits at my family physicians office, my regular doctor wasn't there and I had a substitute doctor filing in for him. Never seen him before. So as he's asking me how I've been , standard check up questions...I mention to him how a few months ago I had gotten light headed and my heart felt like it was racing and that it had occurred right after a long walk I had taken....He began to ask me if I thought I was dying, if I often worried about dying...and said that he thinks I may have had a panic attack(keep in mind I have never had a panic attack, never been prescribed anti depressants, never even been to a psychologist in my life)...Puzzled, I explained all this to him...he literally looked right at me with a thousand yard stare..right through if I didn't just say what I had to him...and says " Well I think you need to take (some prozac type of anti- depressant drug, it wasn't xanax, or valium or any other kind of diazpam type of drug it was a serious prozac type of mood altering drug) I think this may help you" I flat out said NO Thank you...He says " Well, listen ..I'm gonna write you the at least think about it and if you decide you want to try them.. fill the prescription"....I couldn't believe it. Not only was he not my doctor, he wasn't a psychologist, and he had come to this conclusion inside of five minutes of talking to me.

I couldn't help but feel that he had another motive for trying to push it on me, I mean if they really are just nonchalantly putting people on drugs like this..the health care industry seriously needs their heads examined.

posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 02:52 PM
I found another good article on this subject.

Psychiatric Meds: Prescription for Murder?

These medicines act on the body’s nervous system — altering its chemical communication pathways to affect areas of the brain involved in judgment, abstract reasoning, memory, emotions, and the fight-or-flight response — explains Michelle Morrison-Valfre, MHS, FNP in her 2005 book, Foundations of Mental Health Care. The expected result is a calm mood and clear thinking. However, in some cases unexpected results occur.

The Physicians’ Desk Reference (PDR), an authoritative source of all FDA-approved drug labeling information, identifies the potential hazardous side effects of psychotherapeutics, including suicidal and homicidal ideation. Unfortunately, such effects are not uncommon. In fact, when taking a particular medication poses serious risks, the FDA requires drug manufacturers to highlight the dangers in eye-catching boxes on pharmaceutical packaging. A drug’s “black box warning” alerts consumers to the major hazards they face when taking that medicine. Most prescriptions do not have black box warnings — only those that can cause extreme adverse reactions compared to the potential benefit.

Angell relates that psychiatric treatment shifted from “talk therapy” to drug therapy in the 1950s when doctors noticed new drugs meant to treat infections also “blunted disturbing mental symptoms” by affecting the levels of certain chemicals in the brain. Out of that observation was born the theory that mental illness is a result of chemical imbalances. “Thus, instead of developing a drug to treat an abnormality, an abnormality was postulated to fit a drug,” observed Angell. “That was a great leap in logic.” She noted that subsequent studies have proven such chemical imbalances do not in fact exist in patients diagnosed with psychiatric disorders such as depression. It is only after a person takes a psychiatric medication that the brain begins to function abnormally.

While most psychiatrists think these drugs correct imbalances in the brain chemistry, there are no tests to prove this one way or another and what is certain is that the drugs they prescribe DO alter a person's brain chemistry.

The advent of these drugs coincides disturbingly with a rise in the adolescent suicide rate. Ritalin was introduced in 1956. Antidepressants made their debut in the early 1960s, according to Morrison-Valfre, who noted elsewhere in her text that statistics from the U.S. Bureau of the Census reveal, “from 1960 to 2000 the rate of adolescent suicide more than doubled.” This may be coincidental, but it is unnerving in light of these drugs’ well-known adverse effects.

One thing, however, is certain. Prior to the advent of antidepressants, there was little relation between depression and violent behavior. “One of the things in the past that we’ve known about depression is that it very, very rarely leads to violence,” observed psychiatrist Peter Breggin in a Fox News report. “It’s only been since the advent of these new SSRI drugs that we have murderers, sometimes even mass murderers, taking antidepressant drugs.”

More proof that it is not the mental disorder that causes the violent tendencies and the more probable explanation is its the drugs that are producing the irrational mass killers.

The article then goes on to show how the pharmaceutical industry supports the psychiatric industry and how the standards for getting a drug approved lean greatly in favor of the drugmakers.

Moreover, diagnosing mental illness is largely a subjective endeavor, unlike other fields of medicine that rely on objective lab data or scans and x-rays for diagnosis. So says psychiatrist Daniel Carlat in his 2010 book Unhinged: The Trouble With Psychiatry — A Doctor’s Revelations About a Profession in Crisis. “Our diagnoses are subjective and expandable, and we have few rational reasons for choosing one treatment over another,” admits Carlat.

Eager to exploit the benefits of the chemical theory and aware of the “subjective and expandable” nature of diagnosing mental illness, drug companies vigorously subsidize the psychiatric profession. In his 2010 exposé Anatomy of an Epidemic, Robert Whitaker notes that besides the gifts and fringe benefits given directly to psychiatrists, especially those at influential academic centers, drug companies generously support psychiatric associations, patient advocacy groups, and educational organizations. They fund around one-fifth of the budget of the American Psychiatric Association. In the first quarter of 2009 alone, pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly donated more than $1.2 million to mental health non-profits.

Angell goes on to explain how drug companies peddle their wares. In order to have a drug approved, pharmaceutical manufacturers must submit to the FDA two clinical trials proving a product more effective than a placebo. Drug companies can perform as many trials as they wish in order to achieve the two successful tests they need. Positive studies are highly publicized while the negative are suppressed. In a review of tests for the six most widely used antidepressants between 1987 and 1999 — Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Celexa, Serzone, and Effexor — Angell reported, “Most of them were negatives. Overall, placebos were 82 percent as effective as the drugs.… The average difference between drug and placebo … was clinically meaningless.”

The New American

Gotta love the way they get to cherry pick their research until they can come with just two studies that support the drug while being able to ignore all the ones that show no results or problems with the drugs.

If that doesn’t prove collusion between drug makers, the psychiatric industry and the government to push these dangerous drugs on as many people as possible, then you just aren’t paying attention.

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