reply to post by Iwinder
This is my third attempt at a reply, maybe this one will work.
The Chinese SSK incident was an embarrassment to the navy. That's one reason why they hired a Swiss SSK and crew for something like two years, so
they could relearn how to find diesel boats. A diesel boat that doesn't want to be found isn't going to be. It used to be that you could detect
them snorkeling, but the newest boats rarely have to snorkel anymore. They still have to, but nowhere near as much as before, and without the huge
acoustic signature they used to have. A diesel boat doesn't have pumps to radiate noise like a nuclear boat does, so unless they screw up there's
very little to radiate noise from them.
The only people that think a carrier is untouchable are people that don't follow military technologies, have never served, or are fanboys. Everyone
on the carrier and in the group knows that it's the biggest target in the region, and that anyone that's going to fight us is going to give
everything they have to kill one. That would be the biggest coup imaginable for anyone. That's one reason why they are surrounded by the best
equipment they can be, and their weapons systems are being upgraded.
As for the Russian sub, says who? Have you noticed the timing, and the source for this? Right after the White House announced budget cuts, a
conservative website says they have an anonymous source that says an Akula cruised around the Gulf undetected. Then starts saying that the Navy
can't even secure our back yard, and Obama is cutting their budget even more, so they won't stand a chance if a war starts. Amazing that.
In November of last year, a Sierra-2 was detected and tracked off the east coast. The Sierra-2 is equivalent to a 688, with significant improvements
to noise reduction. It's probably at least as quiet or close to an Akula in radiated noise. You're telling me that the navy was able to find, and
track this one, but somehow an Akula snuck past SOSUS (which as far as I know hasn't happened before), any carrier groups at sea in the area, the
P-3s that were patrolling, as well as our SSNs that were in the area? Possible, but not probable with the noise levels that the Russian subs are
currently at. They've improved immensely over where they were, but they still have more room to improve.
As for not talking about it, the Soviets couldn't even keep quiet that they killed Scorpion, at the height of the Cold War, but they're going to
keep quiet about pulling off a coup by sneaking a sub into our back yard, and keeping it there without us detecting it? That's somehow more secret
than killing a US sub?