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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
What happened to economic protectionism....like taxing the crap out of foreign made stuff?? I used to take pleasure in the duty free stores buying stuff for half price, now someone goes to walmart and buys the cheapest pos you can get...and it breaks down in 1 week.
Financial terrorism is much more effective than military and no one dies. Think about it!
Ah, the media spin propagana machine at its finest.... Take the peripheral of the issue, and make it the issue. That way, no one is thinking about how the average american has taken a pay cut, so why are these folks still whining? Please..... Remember when Obama supported the Sequester cuts?
Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard
It is possible to discuss this without using labels like dictator or throwing around propoganda about tiger woods and golf. People here who use those tactics are just as bad as those they call names. Points made this way sound like spoiled children arguing.
That said, If this is what happened and the whitehouse is threatening people for telling the truth, is that even legal? What a mess our political system is when the leaders keep secrets and play games withthe truth. I say use voting power to throw them all out of office. Hurt their big donators (banks and corporations) by limiting consumption or outright boycotting them. We do have power, we're just too spoiled or weak to wield it.
From Gene Sperling to Bob Woodward on Feb. 22, 2013
Bob:
I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall — but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here.
But I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand barain with a mix of entitlements and revenues (even if there were serious disagreements on composition) was part of the DNA of the thing from the start. It was an accepted part of the understanding — from the start. Really. It was assumed by the Rs on the Supercommittee that came right after: it was assumed in the November-December 2012 negotiations. There may have been big disagreements over rates and ratios — but that it was supposed to be replaced by entitlements and revenues of some form is not controversial. (Indeed, the discretionary savings amount from the Boehner-Obama negotiations were locked in in BCA: the sequester was just designed to force all back to table on entitlements and revenues.)
I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is diffferent. Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously.
My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. Feel bad about that and truly apologize.
Gene
From Woodward to Sperling on Feb. 23, 2013
Gene: You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice. I am listening. I know you lived all this. My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved. I am traveling and will try to reach you after 3 pm today. Best, Bob
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We have obtained, exclusively, the exchange.
My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved.
The problem is, there are all kinds of reporters who are much less experienced, who are younger, and if they're going to get roughed up in this way, and I am flooded from emails from people in the press saying this is exactly how the White House works. They're trying to control and they don't want to be challenged or crossed.
www.foxnews.com...
Originally posted by jimmyx
wow.....talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.....and the obama haters on this thread taking this WAY, WAY, WAY, over the top....again. from now on, i'm just going to consider that any post that starts out bashing Obama is a lie, and simply ignore it.
it just makes no sense for the White House to have threatened Bob Woodward.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
What happened to economic protectionism....like taxing the crap out of foreign made stuff?? I used to take pleasure in the duty free stores buying stuff for half price, now someone goes to walmart and buys the cheapest pos you can get...and it breaks down in 1 week.
Financial terrorism is much more effective than military and no one dies. Think about it!
That would work nearly as well - do you think you can convince DC to go for it? If not, then I'm ready to the the UN slap a crap load of sanctions on us and keep us from doing any external business at all. Either way would have the same net effect of promoting a self-sufficient country again. I dunno about you, but I can do without crap Chinese products.
An added bonus would be the necessity of accelerating domestic oil production and an acceleration of the quest for alternative energy sources. If we can't import foreign oil any more, then we would HAVE to do something about that domestically. Let the Arabs drink their oil for all I care. Close down the markets for it here, and start churning out our own. I'm sure China would buy it.... so long as they could find another market for their trinkets so they could continue to sell crap to get the money to buy it!
Of course, your scenario of strenuous import tariffs would have advantages, too - the feds could still waste all the money they want to, while simultaneously keeping their paws off mine and yours!
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by burntheships
Errr no! do you really think that in the past and in private conversations that White House staff members and other opposition politicians and reporters don't tell each other off,John Boehner To Harry Reid: “Go F****k Yourself” is more common in private heated disagreements than you might think,and that was true for Dick Darth Vader Chaney some yrs back,the difference is Woodward tried to spin the whole thing and pretend he is a victim with cross hairs and red dots on his forehead..sheesh!!
Originally posted by burntheships
I think that in the end its going to be the Obama administration that will
have regret over picking this fight with Woodward.
Just a few points, Woodward is not the only reporter that has come forth
and said he was yelled at, intimidated, others have said that they were harrassed
with vulgarity. Sure, Woodward is a veteran journalist, which is one of his points,
that if younger journalists are treated this way, that is The Administration
that wants ultimate control in what is reported.
The problem is, there are all kinds of reporters who are much less experienced, who are younger, and if they're going to get roughed up in this way, and I am flooded from emails from people in the press saying this is exactly how the White House works. They're trying to control and they don't want to be challenged or crossed.
www.foxnews.com...
This is a double blow to this Administration, Obama has been exposed as the person who
owns this Sequester, and now he owns this Administration that uses intimidation to
keep journalists from reporting the facts.
So much so that Oama has now gone on the record defending himself -
Obama - I am not a dcitator
Its easy to see who is fudging the truth here, and its not Woodward.