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Dispelling the Gun Control Myth

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posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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Let's be brutally honest, Gun Control is a great idea! If it was truly about guns that is......

well.....and if it applied to everybody........


and.....well.....if we could magic all guns in existance out of existance along with any knowledge of how to build them.

When will people admit that you can't put a genie back in a bottle? That Pandora's Box cannot be unopened? Let us get down to the brutal facts about gun control, the facts that proponents of it don't want average Joe to realize. It isn't about guns, and never was. It is about people control plain and simple, of course, they will not come out and tell you this directly but it is.

I am about to link 3 videos that work towards dispelling the myth and in my hope will open some eyes about what is really at stake here!

Video #1:



This video shows the real truth behind magazine bans and why they simply put will be completely ineffective. There is no appreciable difference between the time it takes to reload magazines and a person will not have time to bumrush someone 25 feet away regardless of magazine capacity. So why are these being proposed then?

Video #2:



This guy is an ex secret service agent for the President himself and what he says nails what is going on to a T. It isn't about Gun Control, it is about People Control. It is about slow increments to change our government from the Republic away from Democracy and more in like with Socialism or Communism. To do this you need to control the people, by any means necessary. It isn't happening over night, but it is naive to say that it ISN'T happening! Do we still need yet more proof? Well let's take a look at our public school's indoctrination of the young.

Video #3:



This case of indoctrination is the most recent and took place in Illinois. So now we have our children being brainwashed against firearms in schools for suspension which includes playing with imaginary guns, toy guns, bubble guns, gun gestures, "paper guns", gun related computer desktops, and now even a US Marines Tshirt. How long is this going to go on? Do we all realize we are now sitting on a powder keg the size of the Astrodome and nobody is taking steps to snuff out the fuse? I fear for us, for all of us. Why are there people amongst us that can't see that they are being used to attempt to bring about the downfall of our proud nation? What's worse is this stuff goes on now on a daily basis, the agenda is in overdrive and is hurdling us towards God knows what at a faster pace then ever before. And from the general population, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. We have been dreaming long enough, it is time to wake up to the realities all around us and dispel the myth. Let's get to work!

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posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:09 AM
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I'm very saddened and angered by this news. This is completely outrageous! How can this go on in America??? Hell has truly frozen over now! There should be riots on the streets today! No US Marine Corps shirts????


Ok, so I'm partial.


Back on topic, I think former SSA Dan Bongino made a very compelling argument and really nailed it in that interview. This is a man who was close to the POTUS and knows a lot about not only LE but also the mindset of Obama. I'm sure he's heard things that he won't repeat that have fueled his desire to speak out on this issue and burn bridges the way he has. I liked the Thomas Sowell reference, too.

The gun control issue has always been about people control. It's never been about making us safer.

S&F



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:16 AM
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Well I would disagree that its about control at this point in time.

Consider that the recent gun ban simply was allowed to expire without hardly a whisper from anyone and how Obama never even mentioned it in his first four years of office.

It doesn't seem to be an issue at the forefront of politicians agendas.

That is until some of the recent shootings happened. Now I see students at my university demanding guns be taking off the street and they are very vocal.

Get enough of these gun grabbers together and they raise a loud enough rhetoric that it demands a response from the politicians in order to appease their base.

I think this is what's happening. Its simply the democrats using a political issue to show they are doing something that the base desires, with elections coming up in less than 2 years and a possibility of retaking the House they need to make sure they have thier base locked down.

This is why your seeing so much legislation at the moment and why you didn't see it a couple of years ago.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:22 AM
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Ten people have starred this thread, seven have flagged this thread.
There must be a lot of timid and fearful people who do not want
their views and support of anti-presidential mission known.
In less than two years it will be almost impossible to find someone that
actually voted for Barak.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:35 AM
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So a mass shooter would have his magazines neatly laid out in front of him like that? Sorry but the test is obviously rigged.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
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So a mass shooter would have his magazines neatly laid out in front of him like that? Sorry but the test is obviously rigged.

Given that these events are largely planned rather than "heat of the moment" it wouldnt take much effort to jam a bunch of mags into a belt around your waist, buy or fashion a bandolier, wear pants with cargo pockets.

When I first got into 3-gun I didnt have money for all the cool harnesses and belts and things. I wore cargo pants and suspenders. Reloading a mag held in a suspender strap or a belt is incredibly fast. Even for a novice. Due to economy of motion it's faster than if they were all laid out on the table like that.

I find a so many of these regulations seem to be targeted toward the "heat of the moment" event. Take CA's ridiculous "bullet button" law which states a tool must be needed to remove the magazine. As a lunatic mass murderer am I not going to take the 30 seconds and spend the $2 to simply install a real magazine release button? Apparently the state of CA doesnt think so. They think I'm just driving home from the range with my rifle in my car, see a bunch of people, then some demon overtakes me on the spot and I open fire in a fit of madness.

Does that make any sense?



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:52 AM
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Well I would disagree that its about control at this point in time.


Back up your disagreement with some facts and some references that it is not about "control"
The OP posted three videos supporting and substantiating his position and you reply with your "OPINION"
Thank you for taking the time out of your busy college class schedule to WEIGHT IN on the subject.



Consider that the recent gun ban simply was allowed to expire without hardly a whisper from anyone and how Obama never even mentioned it in his first four years of office.


Prove by objective measurable (see, hear, touch, smell, taste) data and facts, that "OBAMA NEVER EVEN MENTIONED" it in his first four years of (in sic) office. Did you record EVERYTHING that OBAMA said during the 1459 days he was in office, did OBAMA personally tell you or send you a memo stating that he never even mentioned it in his 1459 days?



It doesn't seem to be an issue at the forefront of politicians agendas.
That is until some of the recent shootings happened. Now I see students at my university demanding guns be taking off the street and they are very vocal.


Not sure that I believe you that you "SEE students demanding guns be taking (taken sic) off the street and they are very vocal"
Correct me if I am wrong, you HEAR students demanding guns be taking (taken sic) off the street and they are very vocal (vocal meaning that an event is being produced that stimulates the auditory nerves and not the visual nerves? Right.

If you, who are attending college, cannot differentiate between the different events that stimulate either visual or auditory nerve endings, and cannot and will not produce one iota of evidence that OBAMA never even mentioned it... then why take the conclusions that you draw SERIOUSLY?



Get enough of these gun grabbers together and they raise a loud enough rhetoric that it demands a response from the politicians in order to appease their base.


I agree with this statement. Get enough whiners and bellyachers together and get them whining and bawling and MAKING NOISE, and someone will try to shut them up. That is and has become the politically correct way to get what you want for your particular special interest group here in America is collect enough whiners and get them to whine loud enough and sooner than later the law will change.




I think this is what's happening. Its simply the democrats using a political issue to show they are doing something that the base desires, with elections coming up in less than 2 years and a possibility of retaking the House they need to make sure they have thier base locked down.


"Its (it's sic) something the base desires..." why would the base desire the dismantling of the 2A?
"They need to make sure they have thier (their sic) base locked down" lots of wisdom in that comment.



This is why your seeing so much legislation at the moment and why you didn't see it a couple of years ago.



Are you sure this is why your (you're) seeing so much legislation at the moment by states to prevent enactment of impending 2A laws? States passing laws to arrest and jail any federal agents who attempt to enforce unconstitutional laws.
With your you're yore intelligence level, being in collage and such, eye hope yew you ewe go in to either political science (perfect job) or teaching engleash (english sic)


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posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by Darkphoenix77


Given that these events are largely planned rather than "heat of the moment" it wouldnt take much effort to jam a bunch of mags into a belt around your waist, buy or fashion a bandolier, wear pants with cargo pockets.

When I first got into 3-gun I didnt have money for all the cool harnesses and belts and things. I wore cargo pants and suspenders. Reloading a mag held in a suspender strap or a belt is incredibly fast. Even for a novice. Due to economy of motion it's faster than if they were all laid out on the table like that.


Well let's see that test then.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 08:08 AM
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YouTube is packed with people reloading in all kind of ways.

From a pocket:




From a vest:


It'd be silly to link them all here.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 08:31 AM
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I love to reply to these fragmented posts so here we go.



Back up your disagreement with some facts and some references that it is not about "control"
The OP posted three videos supporting and substantiating his position and you reply with your "OPINION"


I listed multiple items that back up my statement but you are correct that it is just my opinion just as the OP is an opinion. There is no definitive proof one way or another that is conslusive. And this is an internet forum that is seeking for opinions, whether they disagree or not, its not a research site where everything must be cited. I assume the OP wants opinions, not just mindless "yes" responses that parrot everything he says.




Prove by objective measurable (see, hear, touch, smell, taste) data and facts, that "OBAMA NEVER EVEN MENTIONED" it in his first four years of (in sic) office. Did you record EVERYTHING that OBAMA said during the 1459 days he was in office, did OBAMA personally tell you or send you a memo stating that he never even mentioned it in his 1459 days?


You will notice in my post I said, "with hardly a whisper" which means that he may have mentioned it a time or two but it was never, ever, a central theme of his plaform/agenda. I never said he absolutely never mentioned it and I'm sorry you didn't grasp that rather obvious point.



Correct me if I am wrong, you HEAR students demanding guns be taking (taken sic) off the street and they are very vocal (vocal meaning that an event is being produced that stimulates the auditory nerves and not the visual nerves? Right.


You are correct. Whether it is in class where they voice thier opinions or a rally on school grounds, it is certainly a vocal response to the issue. Not sure why this is something that would surprise you. Is it odd in your world to actually hear people say things they are passionate about? Interesting.




"Its (it's sic) something the base desires..." why would the base desire the dismantling of the 2A?
"They need to make sure they have thier (their sic) base locked down" lots of wisdom in that comment.


It isn't something the base desires, it is an emotional response to a very tragic issue. Something bad happened and many on the left simply overreact and demand their politicians react immediately. This prompts the political left to hurry up and pass legislation without properly thinking it through in order to make their base happy and ensure their votes in the next election.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 08:45 AM
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Perhaps my memory is faulty (wouldn't be the first time), but Hopechest, it seems like each of your posts is a regurgitation of the official MSM slant. I apologize if this is not the case. But if I'm noticing this, I'm probably not alone.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 08:46 AM
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Ah Jeez , another Half Truth, Slanted Gun Thread.

If they were after ALL guns , then you could put Forth the idea that its "people control'

HOWEVER, sense they want to ban only High Performance Human Killing Guns, and Related Loading Devices, this Thread is , as many others were , Bunk.

Didnt watch the Vids,(honest), dont have to. There are many Passionate people over this Issue, finding a Secret Service Agent that feels that way... Are you Surprised.


And the Usual Liberal turning Socialist Angle???? Please. Didnt one of the Favorite GOP Pres, Reagan "attack" the 2nd during his Presidentcy?

Guess what, we didnt go Socialist then, and aint gonna happen Now.

But circle the Wagons, Re-act in horror, we have another Gun Thread.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by chasingbrahman
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Perhaps my memory is faulty (wouldn't be the first time), but Hopechest, it seems like each of your posts is a regurgitation of the official MSM slant. I apologize if this is not the case. But if I'm noticing this, I'm probably not alone.


Even if it is does that become a problem? Everything I post I can back up with an argument to support my opinion so not sure why you feel the need to call me out on it really.

I certainly don't always agree with official stories but until I'm presented with facts to say one way or another I prefer to remain neutral in my opinions unlike many who simply jump to the negative side in every issue.

I would challenge you to find one thing I've ever posted that you can conslusively prove false since your seem to have my posting history as such a high concern and I will respectfully debate that issue with you.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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Sorry these videos are not tests, they are only demonstrations. You need to provide an actual comparison test, similar to the one in the OP, but one that more closely mimics an actual real life situation. Guys and gals proudly parading their ARs in their living rooms is not good enough.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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"I love to reply to these fragmented posts so here we go."

Besides changing from first person personal to second
person plural in one sentence, (good if you are going to
college to be an english teacher) I quoted your entire post line for line
and addressed it line for line and you cut and paste my answers back to me and
then complain about fragmented postings?

I am old enough to be your grandfather if you are in college.
I do not "just make my mind up in a short period of time".
I have spent more time thinking about the second amendment and
the right to protect oneself than you have been alive.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
Well I would disagree that its about control at this point in time.


Everything since 9/11 has worked towards an agenda of control.



Consider that the recent gun ban simply was allowed to expire without hardly a whisper from anyone and how Obama never even mentioned it in his first four years of office.


This surprises you? I would think he wanted to be re-elected and not have an agenda as such used against him in his bid.



It doesn't seem to be an issue at the forefront of politicians agendas.


I beg to differ, it has been kicked into high gear ever since Sandy Hook.



That is until some of the recent shootings happened. Now I see students at my university demanding guns be taking off the street and they are very vocal.


Bingo.......Let me say this though, since when does some students on a campus represent the whole of the U.S.? You have a voice, but you do not speak for everybody.



Get enough of these gun grabbers together and they raise a loud enough rhetoric that it demands a response from the politicians in order to appease their base.


Well yeah, hence why gun control advocates have stooped to bussing people in to a planned gun rights demonstration in Albany that has been planned for well over a month.



I think this is what's happening. Its simply the democrats using a political issue to show they are doing something that the base desires, with elections coming up in less than 2 years and a possibility of retaking the House they need to make sure they have thier base locked down.
This is why your seeing so much legislation at the moment and why you didn't see it a couple of years ago.


I think what is happening is that the Democrats are experiencing a shift in political ideologies of the whole party to a more socialist outlook and just do not want to change the party name to socialist due to the negative stigma attached to the word. I think we are seeing more legislation of this type because it is what the party wants as a whole. Whether Obama has the cajones or not to stage a coup of the Republic I cannot answer, but you can't deny that since 9/11 the ground work has been laid for the possibility by both major political parties.
edit on 28-2-2013 by Darkphoenix77 because: love when you have entire paragraphs typed out and then you get the "server too busy" comment which wipes out everything you just tried to post >. extra DIV



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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Agreed, that ex SS Agent makes logical sense. It's unfortunate that so many people hate logic.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere
 
Thanks for sharing those videos. Now that is gun control right there!


Originally posted by Hopechest
Well I would disagree that its about control at this point in time.

Consider that the recent gun ban simply was allowed to expire without hardly a whisper from anyone and how Obama never even mentioned it in his first four years of office.
That is because he would have not been reelected had he even mentioned gun control.
It appears he was setting the stage for term two. Why would a President put his "full weight" behind gun control, and you say there isn't a political agenda?

One week after reelection, gun control became the number one "issue". Right after "Sandy Hook".



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by slugger9787
Ten people have starred this thread, seven have flagged this thread.
There must be a lot of timid and fearful people who do not want
their views and support of anti-presidential mission known.
In less than two years it will be almost impossible to find someone that
actually voted for Barak.


I agree, I had 7 flags and 10 stars last night before anyone even commented and before the thread was moved to this forum. Seems to be alot of people that didn't comment but were willing to offer "silent agreement".



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by Darkphoenix77



So a mass shooter would have his magazines neatly laid out in front of him like that? Sorry but the test is obviously rigged.


Do you think someone that is going to commit a mass shooting tosses them around the room first? Why the hell wouldn't they have them close at hand?


Edit: I should have read down more lol, I agree Thisguy, too much legislation is done in a knee jerk response way.
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posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 02:25 PM
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You are correct, I do want debate, but debate is better served when a person can back up thier opinion with more than just the opinion. The 3 videos I listed are only 3 examples of ways that people control has been enacted upon since The Patriot Act. Both political parties are at fault, but since Sandy Hook it has been stepped up a notch. I seem to remember the Democrats raising quite a stink about all the questionable things that Bush introduced, Patriot Act, NDAA etc. and it seems funny how when Obama became the man he did not repeal these things and in fact only expanded upon them when during Bush's terms they plastered him with negativity regarding the infringements. Why so different a tune now?





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