reply to post by KeliOnyx
Why is everyone so hung up on including part time labor? and the statistics? They are really just a small part of this post and have nothing really
to do with the topic.
The topic is "possible hidden dangers resulting from minimum wage laws". The stats are really only in there because I thought it was interesting so I
You quote me and say I am partially telling the truth but then you haven't said what I said that was false?
The whole point of minimum wage from its inception is to provide a minimum standard of living.
Sure, that may be the point but is it working? What I am trying to discuss is the actual results of the minimum wage laws and how some of that has
backfired from the intended results by pricing the unskilled workers it is intended to help out of the job market.
Wrong this would be the case if we were in a period of full employment. The current state of affairs encourage less paid in wages and benefits, due to
the large number of unemployed and underemployed.
Sure, obviously. Nobody is disputing that unemployment has created an employers job market. That doesn't make what I said wrong, it only means that
we are living in a time of abnormality. Obviously the minimum wage being raised will do nothing to lower unemployment and as I have been trying to
explain would actually create more unemployment for the unskilled workers the minimum wage law is intended to help, so I am not sure what your point
is unless you feel like high unemployment will be the new norm for generations to come.
ETA: Actually, come to think of it, the unemployment rate has nothing to do with it. Business will still want the best available employee and
employees still will go to the job with the most competitive wage. Unemployment rate has nothing to do with that except the overall highest wages.
Wages may be less because it is an employers job market but it doesn't change the premise that I spoke of. Not in my mind at least, maybe you could
speak to that a bit.
The whole point of the article you posted was flawed from the start. It fails to include part-time labor and any other point of reference than the
minimum wage. Most of the new jobs being created are part-time positions and not paying a vastly larger minimum wage.
Your missing the point of the article, that is why you think it is flawed. I agree that MAYBE raising the minimum wage would maybe help some part
time workers (if they weren't fired because the company couldn't afford to keep them on) but that isn't the point, the point is that less than 1% of
full time workers make minimum wage. We are talking about full time workers. Full time workers make up the large majority of the workforce. Most
people that are employed are full time, so the premise is, raising the minimum wage increases the wage of less than 1% of people working full time but
creates a barrier for unskilled workers that won't be hired when a skilled worker can fill their spot for the same price.
I don't have any statistics on part time employees. Ask The BLS if you want to talk about part time employees, I can't find any thing similar on the
topic. Part timers are really irrelevant to the discussion and in my opinion it keeps getting brought up to attack the stats and avoid the actual
topic of this thread. We are talking about FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. I don't mind talking about part time employees too but I have already mentioned a
few times I don't have any stats on them and can't find any that are of the same topic as the ones I have provided for full time employees.
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