Originally posted by Zenskeptical
The jews did NOT deserve their own land. How dare we go in and take someone elses land from them just to fufill some sort of obligation to the Jewish people.

The thing is, most of the Arabs in Israel came after 1880 as well. And, most of the ones that left, left because there was a war going on. It's a bad situation, and there should be a homeland for them as well, but lets not twist the facts please.

Originally posted by Redge777
.... Some Jews claim to be chosen to rule the world ....

Who claims that? "Chosen," in an Orthodox Jewish context, simply means that God "chose" the Jews to follow all 613 laws of the Torah. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Malichai
That is an outright lie. Have you even looked at the census figures from the ottoman period? I bet not. Otherwise you wouldn't say something so wrong.

Your link supports what I said... that there was both Arab and Jewish immigration to the area from the period of 1880 - 1948. Exact numbers are hard to come by, since the Ottoman Empire didn't keep very good records... however, there are plenty of descriptions of the region prior to 1880 that describe it as basically a wasteland. That's not to suggest that there weren't people living there, I never said that.

Originally posted by Malichai
Most of the Arabs were already there. ALL of the Ashkenazi Jews came from Russia, America or Europe. The Sephardic Jews were already there but they were only a small significant minority until after the 1948 war.

According to the link you provided, you have no way of knowing that.

Originally posted by Malichai
Even then the majority only came by forcing more than a half million people from their lands and refusing to allow them to return despite the UN resolution calling for this.

The vast majority of the people left on their own, they weren't "forced." There was a war going on, and there were refugees, which happens in every war.

There was no such thing as a Palestinian prior to about 1915 or so. Before the British were in the region, there was no "Palestine" either... the Ottoman Empire had this area divided into several administrative districts.

Originally posted by Roark

Originally posted by Neopheus
Those who quickly jump to the conclusion that the Protocols of the learned elders of zion is nothing but debunked propaganda better grab themselves a copy and have themselves a good read because indeed the international bankers are mainly ashkenazi jews, are in control and pretty much everything written in the Protocols are going down almost perfectly.

Is has already been widely established that the Protocols are a plagiarism. I'm shocked that you claim to have researched it all and still maintain it is anything more than a nasty hoax typical of European anti-Semiticism. I can only conclude that you are somewhat obtuse.

Just because some of its elements are true, doesn't mean that it's all true. That is an atrociously simplistic way of looking at it. So the Jews excel at banking? Wow. That's a huge revelation, given that they've been doing it for hundreds of years longer than the originally anti-usury "Christian races".

Originally posted by Neopheus
The word Ashkenazi is the closest etymological relative to the term Nazi.

All this sentence demonstrates is your desperation to draw ridiculous parallels in order to reach bizarre conclusions.

Originally posted by Neopheus
All this and I am not an anti semite, better think again my friend....

I don't know whether you're an anti-semite, but you're most certainly deluded.

[edit on 25-9-2007 by Roark]

This kind of response is to be expected.
I am not desperate in the least but simply sharing my knowledge on the subject at hand and listening to the thoughts of others so please CEASE AND DESIST with your abusive tone and your ad hom attacks or I will ask the Mod's to assist you.

As to the protocols and my research, I could go back and find the names and dates yet I will give you the quick version, someone wrote something similar and then someone else applied (plagiarized) the work and applied it to french nationalism and then supposedly the zionist produced their own copy, now if that is not a seriously twisted tale I do not know what is.

It can be shown that the Nazi war machine was financed by international bankers, that the middle and lower jewish classes were martyred by their own and that this group went on take over america through the puppet regime known as the Neocons/new conservatives.

Todays UN speech by Iran's president was spot on.

People will attempt to dilute or otherwise water down the past to suit their agenda.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Jews have been persecuted mainly because of the non sense of the Talmud. It seems thier elites follow it to the T. The distrubing things the Talmud says are pretty much the reason people have flipped out over the years. Remeber Martin Luther? He once felt it necessary to learn Hebrew so he could read the holy books, and when he read the Talmud, turned 180 into a foaming anti semite. The garbage in the Talmud is worse than the insanity that was Mein Kampf.

I don't remember anything about anti-semitism from Martin Luther but he learnt hebrew, greek and latin so that he could read all of the scriptures in their original, uninterpreted state. He thought that the Catholic church was using the scriptures for their own political ends plus placing themeselves between man and God.

Christians are supposed to be a bit anti-semetic aren't they? The Jews were supposed to be responsible for the death of Christ. I thought that that was a typical source of anti-semetism.

The Jews were supposed to be responsible for the death of Christ. I thought that that was a typical source of anti-semetism.

Sigh... it was the Romans that actually Crucified him (not that he had many fans in the Sanhedrin) - why is is that people always seem to over-look this fact?

Ah the peaceful lovely teachings of Talmud:

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil



Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Insults Against Blessed Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

I don't remember anything about anti-semitism from Martin Luther but he learnt hebrew

You don't remember? Or you never heard! The Zionist media has done the best it can to cover up what he said and wrote later in life.

Where's the "cover up?" One of MANY sources (not the least of which is any history text on the Reformation):


Where is the Zionist media talking about his most infamous works?

There are Lutherens who are unaware of its contents....

Originally posted by Malichai
Where's the "cover up?" One of MANY sources (not the least of which is any history text on the Reformation):


Where is the Zionist media talking about his most infamous works?

There are Lutherens who are unaware of its contents....

First of all what is the "Zionist Media?" That's ridiculous, unless you're referring to the Jerusalem Post!

Second of all, since when does the media discuss historical documents from the Reformation or any other period? The media talks about current events. I was a History major in college.... when I studied the Reformation, I learned about Luther's views towards the end of his life.

Where is the "cover up?" You're really reaching for this one.