First of all, I'm sorry for my English, and I'll probably won't be able to express myself as I wound in otehr languages (Hebrew for example), but many of you don't vene have the slightest idea of what's really going on.

I leave in Israel, Jerusalem. This "Situation" between us and the Palestinians had started long before the 90's, though there is no need go go back to the bible.

In the 20s-30s, there was a British mandate in Israel, the British governent has promised us to create a country for us in Israel, we were very happy, because we thought that may funally solve our problem (antisemitism), this point of view is called Zonism.

Well, everything seemed to be fine, and lots of people from russia and europe started coming to Israel (this is called "Aliyot" in hebrew). Back then we had no governmant. no army, and that land belonged to the UK.

After few years, the arabs- who also lived there - have decided they don't like the situation. The result? simple, they started killing us, murdering people (This is called "meoraot", and there are several occasions when this happened)). and we couldn't even protect ourselves because we had no weapons, no army, no police. we had to rely on the british mandate to defent us.

This didn't happen, and after an investigations, the british governmant have desided that it's our fault, becuase we are taking their land and jobs, so they published the a document called "the white book", with restrictions about land purchase and stuff like that.

We of-course objected and told them that the attack were happening because they arabs where running a propoganda against us (because their leaders wanted to gain power through it), but it didn't help.

A few years have passed, nothing changed, and they started murdering us again, and again - we couldn't even defend our selves. And what did the British government do? they published another white book, with even more restriction.

and that's the way it was, every time they started to murder our people - onother white book. we new that we must defend our selves, so we made some organizations to defend us when the time is right. that was the basis for the IDF to come.

During WWII, we halped the british governamnt to manufacture weapons, and we had few military organizations of our own to provide defence. The arabian attacks continued, but this time we could at least defend our selves.

Today, we have a country, a government, and an army.
Our army still does the same things, it provides defence. and It's good army. we won all our wars (there are different reasons for that), we made peace with jordan and egypt - giving them access to water supplies (we gave part of "kineret" lake to jordan, and a large piace of land which we conqered back to egypt).

But the palestinians just don't want us here. We teach our children in schools that they should strive to peace, they teach there children that suiciding and killing Israelis while doing so will grant them a place in heaven next to muhamad, They teach them that there is no such thing as "Israel", and they hate us. This, by the way, has been proven, and our military was shocked when they discovered maps of "palestine" covering the whole territory of Israel in their schools.


As someone said here, attemps to achieve peace only provoke more hostility. Ehud Barak was willing to give them almost the whole country, and as a result they started to blow buses rapidly ,shooting and cevilian cars killing whole families, going to villages and murdering civilians, etc...


One might say it is our fault, and I simply can;t see it because I'm Israely. well, It's not true. I do want peace, I trully want it, and most of the israeli people want it.

Arafat is a terrorist, not because I hate him, but because he is indeed a terorist- from an historic point of view.

Every day, EVERY SINGLE DAY, we stop another suicide bomber from killing dozens of civilians, every day they try to kill civilians by bomarding villages (Thanks to the lack of their military technoligie, and to our millitary, this rarely couses casualties). We kill people such as the hamas leaders simply because it's one of the only things we can do in order to protect ourselves.

And because we have a military force and good intellegence gathering, we don't have more casualties than they have. And if they didn't try try to kill our soldiers while there are women and children among their gunman (it's a known tactic) , and if they stopped teaching their children that it's good to kill the "evil israeli people", and if there whole government wasn't ruled by organizations such as hamas, they wouldn't had casualties at all.

Lately they blowed 2 tanks (not really tanks, I don't know how to say it in English, in hebrew it's called "NAGMASH") with lots of soldiers using smuggled RPGs from egypt. So we entered Rafah in order to stop this, we have a right to do this.

It's really shamefull that some of you here think there are no smuggling tunnels, that we made this up. you want proves? there are dozens of them: photos, videos, you can even go and see them yourselves ffs.

I go to cnn.com and I see something like: "Rafah residents: living in hell...". for you it seems that when they kill 40 israelis in a bus bombing it's much less serious than the destruction of a tiny house where weapons where smuggled in order to kill another 40 Israelis.

You know nothing besides what you see on tv and read in the newspapers. Each time we offer them peace they blow another bus. Our current military actions helped the most in fighting terrorism, and that's why we continue doing them (and to be honest, CT experts from all over the world come here to learn from us about CQB, CT tactics, etc...).
During operation "Homat Magen" (Shield Wall?) almost no alerts on terror attacks came, it was a complete success, many terrorists and gunman were cought, many explosives labs where destroyed, But for you it's crime against humanity.

You tend to ignore things like When they brought a pig corpse to Jhenin in order for it to smell like like a massacure , or when they lied to news agencies as the lie each day.

You see pictures of palestinian streets and you are shocked because of how awfull it looks. well, the truth is it looks the same (and even worse) in every arabian country, including egypt, iraq, jordan, etc....

You see a palestinian boy who was accidently killed by IDF soldiers and you think we are murderers, while you don't know that the parents of this boy probably think that sending him to suicide and killing dozens of jews is the most noble thing on earth.

You just hate us more and more with every step we do, and there is nothing we can do about it. we can't offer them peace because we don't have anyone to offer peace to, and history proved it by hundrend of terror casualties. We also can't do nothing while hamas (and other organizations) is getting stronger and causing more and more dead on our side. But when we try to protect our selves by the most basic means of protection it's a crime against humanity.

Originally posted by AlexKennedy

A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

(From the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, via www.dictionary.com)

Originally posted by bunkbuster
Can we at least agree that "Modern Zionism" is a political party whose primary concern is the "support and development of the state of Israel."

Originally posted by DetectivePerez
Wow, I actually Find myself agreeing with Alex Kennedy where he debunked the wrongful claims about zionism. Infinite, you have done a great job as well.