posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 09:41 PM
Originally posted by ipsedixit
I wonder if the Iranian government has informed the Iranian people that shortages are the result of an attempt by the United States to economically
strangle Iran in order to force "regime change".
I wonder how the Iranians would respond to that.
Iran has been under some form of sanctions by the United States and varying numbers of Allies since 1980. Would you assume the Iranian people weren't
aware of why they're short some things in the stores? It's a long long way from a 3rd world nation though. They produce most of what they use or buy
it from other World Powers who don't care.
Isn't strangulation of the elderly and the sick a crime in the United States? I'm not sure about the case of Nazi Germany. I'm sure it would
be fine to strangle some of the sick and the elderly there. In Nazi Germany certain categories of the sick and the elderly could be dispatched
Did the Nazi Germany reference really need to come in? (sigh)
What is the current thinking in the United States? Is it alright to strangle Iranian sick and elderly people in order to force "regime
change" in Iran. Wasn't the Iranian government elected in an internationally observed election that was judged "fair", as such things
Can you link to any official sanction material that lists items that directly harm elderly or sick people by their being excluded? If so...are these
items Russia, China and the allies to that side of things won't or can't supply? They still do brisk business with Iran on all levels, after all.
We know that the United States has forced "regime change" in Iran in the past. There was a problem about the oil export business. The Iranian
government was fighting with its business partners over the price it was getting for oil.
You realize you are reaching back to 1953 and Eisenhower's Presidency to cite that example? Err... I'll agree that Ike did make quite a mistake with
all that ... 60 years ago.
Most people would say that if one were fighting with the manager of a store over the prices, that organizing a boycott of the store in order to
remove the manager and put one's friend in as the new manager in order to lower prices in the store, might be going a little too far, particularly if
one started issuing threats to people in order to get them to go along with the boycott.
What store manager has terrorists operating out in the residential neighborhood and may even have weapons he shouldn't, right under the counter of
the business? We don't know the second part for sure..or what nature those weapons would be ...but that's kinda the point. Iran isn't helpful on
that matter and they could be if they chose to be. Parchin is a Military facility and a Nuclear one. They make no bones about it and even cite THAT as
the reason the IAEA can't see inside. Military facilities aren't covered by the agreements, apparently.
The American government doesn't believe that Iran should have a nuclear weapon and doesn't believe Iran should have the ability to make a
nuclear weapon. It has neither but even if Iran had never heard of nuclear fission, America would still want regime change.
Perhaps so.... I'm not happy with the direction George Bush and Barack Obama have taken this nation. Collectively, they've changed it to something I
hardly recognize anymore. However, I'll say the same thing about Iran that I did about Iraq in 2002. Iran CAN END THIS. Any time they choose...and
they can make Obama look like a TOTAL ASS. Just as Saddam could have with Bush...and in hindsight, knowing what he didn't have, I'll never
understand why he didn't. Iran can throw open the doors of the places people say this stuff is...show what IS NOT THERE ...and then dare the U.S. or
anyone to touch them. The world would go to war against US before they'd let us then. We can end this...but so can they.
The nuclear issue has been a "red herring" for a long time but by means of its aggression the Americans are starting to turn the "red
herring" into a "salty, silver herring". North Korea, a regime one hundred times further away from the American ideal than Iran, has proved the
utility of a nuclear arsenal.
See above with regard to Iran. They can end this by showing what they don't have. Some may say they shouldn't have to ....but then, Saddam didn't
have to either. He hung until dead for making that decision too. Right or Wrong (and I'd agree it was wrong) it's how this works now.
I agree on North Korea though and it's a bad bad example for the US to set. NK is safe...and Gadaffi became a rape victim before being executed
because he DID surrender everything he had in 2003, by choice and freely. Had he kept them, I'll bet he'd still be alive. Libya isn't Iran tho...
nothing remotely similar.