reply to post by LesMisanthrope
These advances are putting your "consciousness," which still amounts the the mere appearance of being awake, into tighter corners.
Hardly so. Your premise is based on physicality, which when zoomed in on ever so deeper, ends up in non-material quantum states. It's not all black
and white as you suppose things to be, as even science now agrees.
Never heard of Kanada the Mystic. But Democritus did formulate an atomic theory around that time. I still don't understand your point, as atoms and
the planets are of materialistic dogma. Real things can speculated on and finally realized. Unreal things can be speculated on..... and that's it.
"Unreal" would be something that no one has ever heard of or experienced. In our case, we have thousands of people experiencing NDE's, Non-locality
of consciousness to the degree that some people have seen say for example a serial number on the top of a hospital light that is facing the ceiling,
or an old tennis shoe on a hospital roof where that person didn't have access to, and memories of hundreds of people having pre-existed.
If all this was unreal, we wouldn't have people experiencing such things, which still flies over the head of materialist science .
What isn't real, for example, is a half dog, half cat which flies and breathes fire. You will find no one claiming to have experienced this, or
religions having started around this, or paths to experience this, because it is unreal.
Yes; people can invent things with materials. What can you invent with your spirit world? How many engines do you see that run on spirit? or
Consciousness? There's zero, simply because science cannot and does not work with things that doesn't exist, that aren't things at all.
People can and will invent things with materials that will be used to measure and study the immaterial ...which is when soul/spirit/God will be taken
serious and proven. There are already theoretical dimensions and actual quantum states that already do exist, are no-"thing" per se, cannot be
measured and seen, and yet all the math and experiments point to it being that way.
Half dog/cat fire breather is unreal. Non-Local consciousness is real.
Science is physicalist and works with observations, repeated experiments and so fourth. If your imaginings could be reconciled with science, it would
mean that they too fit the materialist perspective because they can be observed, measured and repeated materially.
You already brought confines and limits to the table with your above statement. Your rules and limits of observations and repeatable experiments are
limited to things that can be observed and repeated.
Go ahead and try and observe and repeat the moment that you read this sentence the first time. You surely would agree you experienced it, yet you
can't repeat or re-observe that moment.
Science is limited by whatever tech, knowledge, and limits it currently has. Put in a grand scheme of things, scientists in the year 3000 will look
back on our current models and laughingly say we were a bunch of idiots just starting out, the way we look at science 200-300 years ago.
And what part is that? What part of you within have you discovered?
The inner observer. That Observer is that which has pre-existed prior to the body. One can be with thought, or without thought (with enough training).
With No-Thought, I still exist. When there is Thought, I as the observer, am aware of the Mind thinking thoughts, therefore I am not the mind.
When this inner observer is found, it becomes loosened from the body and can freely travel out of it.
I haven't denied that for one second because I'm honest. You're like the man from the dark ages who spits on the physicalist sciences because they
don't leave man on a pedestal.
I don't spit on anything. I LOVE science and one of my daily habits before I fall asleep, is reading all the latest science news of that day. It is
the best system we currently have to figure out what all this is, why its here, and where its going. Science is a beautiful branch of knowledge.
However, it needs to be tempered with the following. Science is still in its infancy. It has limits. It has problems; politics, ego, questionable
practices, immoral budgeting/financing based on several political factors, and many times, discoveries are also with held for political reasons as
When Science and Spirituality merge, then we will make the biggest leaps and bounds mankind has ever seen.
If we were betting men, I'd bet my house, car, job, savings, whole family, and my very life on the Soul & Afterlife being real. Are you willing to
bet the same on the Soul being unreal?