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Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by SubAce
It is powerful and is able to cut into the very marrow, and reveal the intentions of a person's heart. When scripture is read how does one react? Do they reject it, or do they accept it as it truthfully is, the word of God:
I happen to think that Stupid Girl accepts God's word as absolute truth based on past posting history, but her interpretation of it is different that yours. Now, I'm not exactly sure what all she had a problem with, so I'll let her speak for herself, but let me just give you an example of my interpretation.
When you mentioned that Satan had all of the power in this world because he was able to offer the kingdoms and nations to Christ if he worshiped him, I totally disagreed. Satan has a habit of lying. When he told Adam and Eve that if they ate from the tree of knowledge that would not die, he lied. The situation between Satan and Christ was no different.
If you're a Jehovah's Witness and believe that the earth as we know it today is going to remain the same in physical terms forever and ever, I disagree. It will be burned up and new combined heaven/earth will be set in it's place.
These are just a couple of examples of differences in interpretation of scripture that I'm sure we probably have. Does that make me any less of a believer in God, Jesus Christ and the power of God's Word? Absolutely not.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by SubAce
I think you only have to look at Jesus' responses to see just how "tempted" Jesus was by Satan. His responses didn't appear to linger in thought to me. His responses were direct and consistent and he didn't ask Satan a bunch of questions or bargain with him in order to make a decision.
Yes, Satan has the ability to blind unbelievers. Do you think that means he's capable of blinding them forever and that no one from that day forward was ever saved? No, Jesus told us that God decides who to bring to him and no one can pluck them out of his hand.
I'll be back to address what I believe about the earth in the Bible in a little while after I feed the family.
edit on 28-2-2013 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)
Are you quoting a special Bible, because I'm looking at 20 different translations and none of them read like that?
(Luke 21:24) . . .and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.
Dee is a girl.
To me its a crazy cult, just like you believe his is.
I'm not pushing any millennium theory.
If you read anything in the Bible that sounds like heaven and peace, but it mentions that it is on earth, the Bible is talking about the Millennial period on earth, not heaven.
That verse is freely translated.
Also Jesus stated this about Satan:
(John 14:30) . . ., for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me,
Yes, Satan was coming, the "ruler of the world" but he had no hold on Jesus.
It does not equate the 'god' of this verse with Satan. That is your own interpretation you are throwing in there.
Later on we are told
(2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.
Yes, Satan, the god of this world, has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.
Jesus (in John) said he accomplished his goals and had judged Satan.
Yes, Satan, the god of this world, has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. Also we are told:
(1 John 5:19) . . .but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.
The wicked one, who has control of the whole world is Satan the Devil.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
I'm not pushing any millennium theory.
The word is not in the Bible, and the 1000 years is in Revelation, which is using the terms of the Roman Empire so it just means a reign, which we are under and have been under since the Parusia back in 70 AD.
Originally posted by SubAce
I agree that Jesus instantly rejected the temptations, not even giving them a second thought. He immediately turned his eye from the vision Satan must have given Jesus, and he kept his eye firm on the prize, and being faithful to his Father Jehovah. What a good example for us today who are tempted!
But they were temptations, otherwise the scripture would not have referred to them as temptations.
Jesus was the Son of God or God made flesh.
The reason he was tempted was so that he could endure the same temptations common to mankind and resist thus fulfilling the rigid requirements of the Law. If He was tempted in all areas of the law and overcame every temptation, then he triumphed over the power of the Law to condemn, and over the power of Sin. God the Father required the Law be fulfilled for any man to be redeemed. Since all men sin and fall short of the Glory of God, no man was able to fulfill the law. So God sent his Son to do this for us on our behalf. It was an act of Mercy by God.
God didn't have to do this. He had the power to stop this at any moment. In the Bible, Jesus even said in Matthew 26:53-54 "Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
Satan offered Jesus what was not his to give. The only power Satan has is that which God allows him to have.
Also, from my understanding, Satan offered this b/c he didn't know at this point that Jesus was who he claimed to be.
As for why Jesus, having all the power, could allow oppression of the innocent, or any other bad thing that happens on this Earth, is a complex question with a complex answer. The Bible says God has a plan that he laid out before Earth even existed. It also says the sun shines on the wicked just as it does on the righteous. Surely, there are many more reasons that what I can provide. Still, I always wonder how much more suffering and oppression would take place if God never intervened at all. Know what I mean?
Alright, no wonder you are having a problem understanding the Bible.
(Ecclesiastes 1:4) A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.
As far as your stating that the earth will not endure, I need not be considered. Look at what the healthful words of truth as found in God's word the Bible reveal:
(Psalm 104:5) He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.
(Ecclesiastes 1:4) A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.
So you are not disagreeing with me at all. Rather with the Bible. I respect your right to not believe what scripture states. But if you really love God and his word, what do you do when you read his word, and what it says is not what you have been taught? It takes great humility to accept the truth. That is why we are told to be humble. For the humble will be exalted.
That comes from your Dispensationalist background.
. . . Zechariah does a great job of describing what it will be like.
There does seem to be an exchange between the Gospels and the language in Zechariah but none of those similar sounding passages in Zechariah were prophecies.
Remembered in John . . .
Remember, God doesn't infringe on man's free will like men do! All the wrong we see in this beautiful world is in direct result of all our wrong doings, what we sow so shall we reap!!
The reason I do is what I stated earlier, which is that Dispensationalist use these things a a wedge to separate people from the truth, that Jesus reigns now, and is not waiting for some official coronation where David's throne is brought out of storage for Jesus to sit on.
Did someone bring that up?
. . . whats the point of armageddon and the establishment of the kingdom? Why not leave the world the way it is?
So let us start with the idea that starvation and suffering disprove God. This is simply illogical. Saying that things should be a certain way implies that YOU or whoever else making these claims thinks they understand the nature of God, which is not the case.