So Maybe There ARE Chemtrails...

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posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:27 PM
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Kind of a stupid secret considering they go from horizon to horizon, multiple times all over the world every single day.
That's kind of like hiding an elephant with a postage stamp.
If you look for "contrail studies - chemtrails" you will find all kinds of experts who worry about what a contrail might do to the weather, too. It's why they are studied.
No, I don't think they guy is credible. He believes in "chemtrails".




posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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Watch it and find out!
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posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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They are not generally stratus, either.
They are generally cirrus.
See why I do this now?



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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I watched it.
I'm familiar with both Tanner and Wigington. Are you?
What qualifications? What tests? What international groups?
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posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by bluestorm
reply to post by stars15k
 


military jets that can turn on and off there contrails when they want is transportation???? I have eyes and watch the sky, i know the difference between jets that circle my sky and ones that are doing cross country transportation, silly rabbit Trix are for kids




Originally posted by Z32Driver
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Look Stars I don't care what exactly they're spraying, what bugs me is that its secret and they do it allot. That implies that it may not be in our best interests. Also I'm now further bothered at the potential effects its having on our planets weather patterns and currents. BTW you watched it? For the record, I dont buy that. The guy in the video is highly qualified, has performed tests, works closely with large international research groups... This has 0 credibility to you? just cuz he is on youtube? Like there's absolutely nothing real on youtube




Just so you guys are aware stars15k gets on just about every chemtrail thread and tries to derail it.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Nice catch.
So why'd you use cite the mass of cumulus clouds as evidence?



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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You should have your "spotter" qualifications tested. You don't seem to know your atmosphere very well.
A plane does not turn it's contrail on and off. It is flying through a layer of the atmosphere where there are waves. Inside the plane you call it turbulence. Outside, when the conditions are right, a contrail will form only in the section of the atmosphere right for formation, and not in parts that are not.
It's also why planes will seem to turn them off in clear (no cirrus clouds) in an otherwise cloudy day. Where the clouds are, contrails will form. Where there are no clouds, contrails likely won't form.
Standard sky watching, if you know what you are looking at.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by ArchaicDesigns
reply to post by network dude
 


That, is an example of an ignorant post.

You are downplaying everyone like you are explaining something to children.
You don't think the average person knows how contrails are naturally formed and how the weather system works?
When actually it's quite the opposite, people are seeing things that DO NOT fit the "natural" system of things and have good reason to question. Especially when there are hundreds of patents since the 50s that support the arguement for ariel spraying, toss in photo evidence and people's eyewitness accounts, and you have more than probable cause to question these things.


First off, never, ever,ever use a patent as proof of anything. It's only proof that someone had an idea. Feel free to research that until you are blue in the face. It's fact.

Secondly,
How is it even remotely possible that a chemtrail believer could understand that contrails can form and persist just like clouds, and then in the next breath, post a picture of a contrail and claim it's a chemtrial? How is that possible? It might be a chemtrail. If they actually existed and looked just like contrails. Maybe they do. But as of this moment in time, nobody has offered the proof needed to expose a chemtrail. They are just as real as Bigfoot.

The only proof that could be accepted and would, in fact, have to be accepted, it an aerial sample of a trail that showed something other than aircraft exhaust. Now that isn't an impossibility, its just something that a chemtrail believe would never do since it will most likely disprove the existence of chemtrails being everywhere.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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Hes tested rainwater numerous times, hes an expert in renewable energy, hes with the website geoengeneeringwatch (international research), hes been researching this for about ten years. Good enough?
What do you think those planes full of interconnected tanks are used for? Those ramjet-looking dispersion nozzles?
Look my point is this guy isn't just the usual youtube crackpot, hes a respected researcher and knows what hes talking about.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Infi8nity
Just so you guys are aware stars15k gets on just about every chemtrail thread and tries to derail it.


So is it not allowed to spend time reading and posting in the threads you have an interest in?

Should we ask you before posting?



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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Because that is the cloud the atmospheric science specialist used when arriving at that figure. She accounted for the spaces between the puffs in a cumulus, too. Another calculation, based on the math of a cube, was twice as heavy.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Z32Driver

What do you think those planes full of interconnected tanks are used for?


Ballast testing. It helps distribute the weigh around in flight to simulate passengers and cargo. But I am sure you knew that. You could look that up independently if you like.

I am done with this. If you folks want to believe in fairys and boogymen so damn bad, great. They are out to get you. You are all gonna die!



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by stars15k
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FAKE CLOUDS?

Okay, let me fill you in on some actual facts about clouds I LEARNED about because I didn't know.
An average cumulus cloud, the white puffy ones you see on a nice summer day, weighs 550 tons.
To make that cloud would require 50 tanker planes to spray. Each.
So unless you see fleets of planes overheads, there is no such thing as a fake cloud.
It is physically impossible. If you understood about the atmosphere and how it works, you would know that fake clouds and "chemtrails" are both impossible. Illogical, too.


This is all well and good. But what about using nature itself to excite certain conditions...

Tell me the circumstances behind Operation Popeye which occurred in Vietnam.

I'll give you a rundown...


During the Vietnam war, the Americans launched Project Popeye, a secret mission to seed the tops of monsoon clouds and trigger phenomenal downpours that would wash away the Ho Chi Minh Trail used for ferrying supplies. For five years Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos were sprayed during the monsoons, and military intelligence claimed that rainfall was increased by a third in some places.

It only came to an end in March 1971 when [Washington Post] journalist Jack Anderson exposed the project and caused such a public furor that the UN general assembly approved a universal treaty banning environmental warfare.


And whilst we're talking about spraying chemicals and Vietnam, how about Agent Orange. Chemical spraying has been used in theaters of war. Agent Orange, White phosphorous.

The simple fact, yes I said fact.. is that weather manipulation has been attempted and factual, yes I said factual.. events have occurred in history like Operation Popeye which have alluded to the possibilities of manipulating the weather. In this case though in times of war.

However...


Past experiences tell us to be wary of tampering with the weather. In 1947, meteorologists tried to kill off a dying hurricane out at sea by seeding the clouds. The following day, the hurricane suddenly gathered strength, swung round and hit Savannah, Georgia causing extensive damage. The weather boffins were so rattled by the disaster it was not until August 1969 that they dared try again. When Hurricane Debbie was 700 miles out at sea, they flew three seeding missions around its eye, where tropical storms are at their most intense, but the results were mixed - with each seeding the hurricane's winds were reduced and each time they picked up again.


Understand this, like anything the technology could be used for good or for bad.
Now I agree, that seeding entire clouds would be difficult but not impossible, nothing is. Compound and delivery adjustments could be made to make things more efficient depending on the desired outcome.

Controlling monsoonal weather and hurricanes, imagine how beneficial something like that could be if the science was down pat and they had it sorted.

Are what people see most of the time chem trails? No, but as I said referring to UFO's in another chem trail thread.. Some may be real some may be fake. Use your knowledge on cloud formations and jet fuels and other aviation knowledge. Perfect, I agree with these methods but you can't discount historical recollections of factual events when some facts you have obtained don't necessarily agree with each other or point to a need to do further investigation or follow up. This is what I do. Not perfect but its what I do.

If somebody provides me tangible evidence that every single sighting is not real and why the UN created a treaty after Operation Popeye instead of the reasons stated to prevent weather modification in war then I will eat my words of saying its possible. How is saying this is possible when its been done before so beyond belief?

Weather modification shall continue with or without our approval or beliefs. The true question is what is this technology being used for. As with most Governmental issues, more civilian and/or judicial oversight and involvement is needed.


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posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:42 PM
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like i said no use wasting time with your kind until yall pull your head out the sand, next

Its not a matter of if to those that use our eyes, its a matter of what we are going to do about it knowing what we know. chembusters anyone....



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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Hes tested rainwater numerous times
So what? You think rainwater is immune from picking up dust in the air as it falls?


hes an expert in renewable energy
He sells solar panels.


hes with the website geoengeneeringwatch (international research)
What sort of research? Pointing at contrails and declaring "chemtrail?"


What do you think those planes full of interconnected tanks are used for?
Weight and balance testing for aircraft.


Those ramjet-looking dispersion nozzles?
Atmospheric sampling. That is a NOAA aircraft.


hes a respected researcher and knows what hes talking about.
No.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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There was a time I thought they were spraying "chemtrails", but others started sharing knowledge of what makes a contrail form, and how they can linger as long as they do.

So long as we all need to breathe the same air, I will doubt these claims unless samples of them are collected, analyzed and presented. The alleged effects on these chemtrails can be attributed to countless other factors in our ever changing environment.

Much like proving UFOs exist, tangible evidence must be presented but I remain on the fence.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Infi8nity
Just so you guys are aware stars15k gets on just about every chemtrail thread and tries to derail it.


So is it not allowed to spend time reading and posting in the threads you have an interest in?

Should we ask you before posting?


No reason to be hostile.
Did I say they wear not allowed?
No, just making them aware of what the screen name is know for.
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posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:50 PM
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Here is the reality of the situation. Chemtrails are real. Weather modification is real and is occuring. It is not clear yet what kind of effect it is having on the population, but my guess is it can't be good.

Yes Man shills only need to google weather modification Bill in order to remove their slave minded heads from their own behinds. They will then maybe be able to comprehend what phrases like Cloud seeding and Cloud Modeling mean, cause they are in the Bill.

Weather Modification Bill + Aircraft = Chemtrails. See how easy that is?

I once was a misled foolish mortal like many of the robot minded ignoramuses infected with denialism. Then one day I started looking up and actually paying attention, yeah imagine that? started looking up, and could not deny what I was seeing, Something being sprayed from an Aircraft.

It's not normal to have trails running across the sky very low above your home that look like a game of tic tac toe. Nor is it normal to get a migraine headache after every single time you're outside while this garbage is being sprayed.

What, You think these bottomfeeders are gonna admit what they are doing? Do you for one minute believe that these career liars are gonna do the right thing and tell the truth? They have no right whatsoever screwing around with this planets weather. They are lunatics and madmen.

I never heard of morgellons until reading about them from the link in this thread. Now I realize what the white webby looking stuff was that I noticed all over the trees, barbed wire fences and stuck to our windshield wipers while driving down Interstate 5 in northern California while they were spraying the hell out of the entire area from Redding to Sacramento.

It all makes sense now. So don't be misled by the payed yes men, the sheoplized apologists, or even stupid clueless morons cause the issue needs to be discussed if we are to ever get any answers or clarification from the deciders or their lap dogs. Some of you people better wake up.

Don't take my word for it, research it for yourself. Just don't expect to hear it being discussed by any of the empty suits in the mass media. Real eyes, Realize, Real Lies. Deny your own ignorance. ~$heopleNation



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:50 PM
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It's not meant to be a secret and they know that we can't do anything to stop them so that's why they have come out that they have been spraying the skies for years. Why hide something if your above the law?

Edit: And do you call this contails? look at our blue sky that's been sprayed all day. Also look at the sun.


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posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 01:51 PM
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So what? You think rainwater is immune from picking up dust in the air as it falls?


Don't you recall (from the video) how he mentions that aluminum does not exist freely in our atmosphere? Its in our soil and crust but always bonded. Even 1 part ber billion is unusual in rainwatter and hes recorded much higher levels. Do you have free floating aluminum particles in your area?





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