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You claim to know it all. You're still pushing "the other side". I've heard your argument. I understand how "contrails" are created; but it still doesn't explain HOW these "contrails" change the weather.. Which they do! I still don't understand how exhaust fumes leaves trails MILES long? Come on now. Get out of the books and apply some COMMON SENSE! You, yourself, admitted that you don't see many "contrails", where you live. Me, on the other hand, see them quite frequently, and it's always the same pattern. The day starts with blue skies, then, the planes come out, they leave streaks in the skies, miles long; and gradually, throughout the day, these trails spread out, and form storm clouds. How do i know they're storm clouds??? Because it always rains a few days after the trails are made. Seeing this, over and over again, for the past 2 years, kinda makes you add things up.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by profundus
So many people that claim they "know it all" but don't know how the game works.
Who said they "know it all?"
So many claim to have studied both sides and know so little about the other side while proudly proclaiming they don't listen to what that side says.
On the other hand there are some who know quite a lot about what both sides say.
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Actually, i provided you with 2 sources...but you conveniently forgot about those. I'm still confused as to why you're so adamant about people understanding what "contrails" are. Why do you care so much? What is your angle??? You swear we're the ignorant ones. Why so??? Your "facts" are bigger than ours? Oh wait, we haaaaave no facts. Only you do. My bad.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by profundus
don't ask me for "proof" of what other scientists have said.
I already did. You provided none. You can provide none that claim that persistent contrails are anything but that.edit on 2/27/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
It does.
but it still doesn't explain HOW these "contrails" change the weather.. Which they do! I still don't understand how exhaust fumes leaves trails MILES long?
Actually, i provided you with 2 sources...but you conveniently forgot about those.
Because you display ignorance about what contrails are, how, and why they form.
You swear we're the ignorant ones. Why so???
None that indicate that persistent contrails are anything other than persistent contrails.
Oh wait, we haaaaave no facts.
I display ignorance? Then, so be it. I'm still not gonna buy into your NWO theories on contrails. You should stop actin' like you're so high and mighty. All knowin'. You don't know as much as you think you do. You may be "book smart" but that's about it! Persistent contrails? Where are your sources? The same place as mine? On the INTERNET?
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by profundus
It does.
but it still doesn't explain HOW these "contrails" change the weather.. Which they do! I still don't understand how exhaust fumes leaves trails MILES long?
Contrails don't change the weather. Weather influences contrails. Contrails are not exhaust fumes. You understand nothing that has been said because your mind is closed. You said so yourself.
Actually, i provided you with 2 sources...but you conveniently forgot about those.
No. I didn't.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Your sources did not say that "chemtrails" are anything but persistent contrails.
Because you display ignorance about what contrails are, how, and why they form.
You swear we're the ignorant ones. Why so???
None that indicate that persistent contrails are anything other than persistent contrails.
Oh wait, we haaaaave no facts.
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Where are your sources?
The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
Well...since you're giving me that, I guess it's: CASE CLOSED!!! I guess everything said in that 1/2 youtube video DOESN'T COUNT. Only YOUR sources are "worthy". GIVE ME A BREAK!
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by profundus
Where are your sources?
Here's one I already posted. There are many more.
Where are the sources which your sources claim to exist? You know, the ones where the government has "admitted" to be engaged in geoengineering? It seems the only original sources you can provide don't say anything of the sort.
From 1970:
The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
journals.ametsoc.org...
I guess everything said in that 1/2 youtube video DOESN'T COUNT. Only YOUR sources are "worthy".
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Here are hundreds of great chemtrails pics and articles. Not sure if I believe in "Morgellens", but without a doubt I know the chemtrails we see today and not the contrails we used to see 20 - 30 years ago:
chemtrails pics link
Others did.
I know that 30 or more years ago, I did NOT view this "stuff" in our skies, and I was an avid skywatcher!
Source
So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.
Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as a signature of their passage.
Some contrails soon dissapate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirruse clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun.
Source
Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.
It has. There are a lot more planes up there than there were 30 years ago.
no one will convince me that the average sky hasn't changed
If there were anything in these contrails that were not predictable, or had any indication of being produced by means not associated with hydrocarbon fuels and water vapor interaction, there would be such a clamor that you would indeed know if something was being artificially injected into our atmosphere.
Originally posted by elrem48
reply to post by charlyv
If there were anything in these contrails that were not predictable, or had any indication of being produced by means not associated with hydrocarbon fuels and water vapor interaction, there would be such a clamor that you would indeed know if something was being artificially injected into our atmosphere.
Do you mean there would be 'such a clamor" by the average "Joe" ? I THINK NOT!
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by fireyaguns
Avarage Joe should brush up on meteorology.
www.google.com...
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Atmospheric internal waves are waves that propagate between layers of low-density and high-density air. Although hard to describe, almost everyone has seen or felt these waves. Cloud patterns made up of repeating lines are the result of internal waves, and airplane turbulence happens when internal waves run into each other and break.
Originally posted by fireyaguns
Arial Geo Engineering or Chemtrails if you like are also involved with the deadly mass killer HAARP.
The US government has at least three of these weapons.
This short link www.youtube.com... is showing many different applications for arial geo engineering or chemtrails and will help with the research for evidence that you will be able to match up with conjunction of HAARP link here www.youtube.com... what a dangerous weapon these people have made.
Originally posted by fireyaguns
Originally posted by fireyaguns
Arial Geo Engineering or Chemtrails if you like are also involved with the deadly mass killer HAARP.
The US government has at least three of these weapons.
This short link www.youtube.com... is showing many different applications for arial geo engineering or chemtrails and will help with the research for evidence that you will be able to match up with conjunction of HAARP link here www.youtube.com... what a dangerous weapon these people have made.
I see HAARP in action in both pictures prior
Originally posted by frenzy4444
reply to post by TrueAmerican
They are spraying chemtrails every day in Sydney I even write to main stream media. Poison the people and make it easier for haarp to control the weather