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Originally posted by mrperplexed
He will have no emotion or care that I do not believe in him.
He will have no emotion or care that you do believe in him.
Or am I wrong? (If so, why?)
Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by mrperplexed
But that is just a matter of your personal opinion. God is what he is. When we decide for ourselves that God should be like "this or that" we are trying to mold him into what our ideals of perfection and are in essence practicing idolatry. You either accept Him "as is" or you do not, and if you do not what is the point of your questions other than to attempt to bolster your own personal opinion? And if you are so certain in your opinion why would you need to bolster it?
Originally posted by mrperplexed
reply to post by littled16
Well I understand he hands out infinite sentences of burning in hellfire.. Emotion is compromising by nature. A perfect God would never experience anger, wrath, need to be worshiped, need anything "proven" to him, etc.....
He will have no emotion or care that I do not believe in him.
He will have no emotion or care that you do believe in him.
Or am I wrong? (If so, why?)
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by mrperplexed
He will have no emotion or care that I do not believe in him.
He will have no emotion or care that you do believe in him.
Or am I wrong? (If so, why?)
How exactly did you equate perfection with having no emotions?
I had posted something relevant to this a few days earlier. I'm going to repost it here with a few minor tweaks.
Take the example of the sun. We can choose to appreciate it for its heat and light.... or we can just take it for granted.
Some people appreciate it and others don't. The fact remains that the sun shines in the sky and its brightness is neither increased by people who appreciate it.... nor is it decreased because of those who don't. Yet, without the sun all of us stumble about in the cold and the dark. So it is us who need the suns heat and light... its not the sun that needs our appreciation.
With God, He IS there.... whether or not we acknowledge and worship Him. Our belief or lack of belief neither adds to his glory nor takes away from it. In the end, we find out that we need Him, not the other way round. Now of course, God being watchful over His creations, deals with believers differently from those who disbelieve.
edit on 25-2-2013 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
And I see your logic on idolatry actually. The thing is, how can I accept him "as is" when he has never proven to me that he even exists. I am not certain of my stance.. He may exist, He may not, but when he is touted to be "perfect", that puts parameters around him. And if he is indeed perfect, he wouldnt punish me for all of eternity for not believing in him. Me, his imperfect creation that he has shown no proof of existence to. I think it is a fair question considering my eternal damnation is on the line.
Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by mrperplexed
What makes you think that lack of emotion is equal to perfection? If God made man in his own image and man is an emotional being wouldn't that imply that God is an emotional being as well? If you think that God does not experience emotion then apparently you have never read the Bible. Give it a read and see what you think.
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by mrperplexed
People do not go to hell for the reasons you believe, you were taught bad theology. There is only one "unforgivable" sin and it is the rejection of the "Holy Spirit".
- Is uncertainty the same as rejecting?
Do you believe in love? I believe in love however I am not sure I have experienced it.
Do you believe that others matter just as much as you do?Absolutely
Are you willing to live a life of selflessness where you spend your time helping others all the time? Selfelessness, yes. 100 percent of the time, no.
I understand in theory what Jesus is saying, however all the above does not pertain to God as much as Jesus;s message.
Originally posted by mrperplexed
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by mrperplexed
People do not go to hell for the reasons you believe, you were taught bad theology. There is only one "unforgivable" sin and it is the rejection of the "Holy Spirit".
- Is uncertainty the same as rejecting?
Do you believe in love? I believe in love however I am not sure I have experienced it.
Do you believe that others matter just as much as you do?Absolutely
Are you willing to live a life of selflessness where you spend your time helping others all the time? Selfelessness, yes. 100 percent of the time, no.
I understand in theory what Jesus is saying, however all the above does not pertain to God as much as Jesus;s message.
Dear mrperplexed,
What an intriguing answer. Is uncertainty the same as rejection, all depends on the reasons doesn't it. Faith is a belief that leads to action, you believe something so much that you respond as if you knew 100% it was the truth. We do that with gravity, there is insufficient mass to account for the gravity of objects. It is a quantum physics thing and you can look it up. We don't know everything, we act on things based on faith, we believe it is true to the point where we treat the world as if our presumption is correct.
Now lets go back to your response, I told you that the only unforgivable sin was the rejection of the holy spirit and explained that it is the rejection of loving all of God's creation. Are you unsure if you reject love and others? That is odd, you either love others or you do not. You said you have not experienced love, you misunderstand, you give love, you do not experience it. It is not something you receive from others, it is what you feel about others and apparently, based on your answer, you have not loved others or you would understand that. Life is about defining ourselves not what we get from others.
Let me throw a thought at you. Lets say you lived a life and had a heart dedicated to others and there turned out that there was no God; but, you continued as a sentient being. What is the worst that would be true of your eternity, it would be that you loved others. Now, lets consider the inverse.
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by mrperplexed
A God of emotion, is not perfect, it'll be easy to control such an entity through his emotions.
All you have to do is do or say certain things to control his emotions at will...