reply to post by LazarusTsiyr
Hey LazarusTsiyr, as a heathen athiest agnostic I have a few questions
I find this whole topic of faith and religion quite fascinating, I myself was raised Mormon. However, once I reached a certain age I realized that me
and "faith" did not exactly mix; even as a child I did not really "feel" anything special when praying or reading the scriptures.
The reality of nature requires no faith to observe, as evidence exists to explain it. So why would God create a universe of for us to explain, but
give no evidence for his existence as creator?
One may argue that "faith" is part of a test, to prove to him who is worthy. However, I find this argument quite odd.
Why would God require anything from us?
You said in a previous post that we were "created to worship him". Why? And if so why test us through faith?
A big part of this "test" is what I like to call "The Deception". This deals with Lucifer (and his Angels/Demons), who exists by the will of God
(correct?). Satan actively works to undermine the work of God, despite God having the power to eliminate him from furthering temptation. This paradox
led mormons to beleive that Lucifer was part of the Plan of Salvation, as if he did not tempt Eve then the Fall would have never taken place and
Christs sacrafice would not have been necassary.
So I guess my question to you is, why does Lucifer exist?
Now on to questions of morality.
Many Christians, or should I say Abrahamic theists (for those who do not conform to any specific church) beleive that Gods morality is superior to
ours. This may be the case, but I do not see how. For example, why was not slavery forbidden in the Ten Commandments? Or rape? Or the killing of
children in the time of war? Why were these things seemingly condoned (perhaps not rape however it could be argued) in the past, but are now looked at
as forbidden and wicked by the those who worship said god.
Exodus 22:18 Do not allow a sorceress to live.
Is this not a command from god to kill?
I ask this because if Gods morality is ultimate and perfect, why would it have changed with the passage of time?
That being said I contend that human morality (while seemingly imperfect) is potentially greater than said gods. God condemns for eternity those who
do not worship him, because he as creator claims he has the right to. However, no compassionate human if given the powers of said god would necassirly
do such a thing, I say this because I would not.
I beleive in punishment for a crime, but an eternal punishment of torture is something that not even humans would implement. If a murderer sentenced
to life is rehabilitated, is he not deserving of some comapassion?
One may argue that Gods ways are beyond ours. But why does he not simply describe these "ways"? Like why must Hell exist? Or why "must" we worship
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