Obama Used Fake Marines at Inauguration?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

We even survived Lincoln. Aside from winning a war, he was the closest our nation ever came to a full blown dictator

You mean until now? What Barry has done to this nation has far surpassed all who sat in the seat before him, combined!

reply to post by usmc0311

Thanks for making the distinction between dress corp and overseas duty. I stand corrected. So I went back and reread the thread and I found a post by Watchitburn that also helped...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

isn`t it illegal to have firearms inside the washington D.C. city limits?Does that apply to drill teams too? maybe they weren`t legally allowed to carry operating firearms so they had to remove the bolts?

as far as the sloppy marching, maybe these marines were desk jockeys and IT people who haven`t marched in formation since boot camp?

overall it did look pretty sloppy and amatuerish.With the ongoing 12 year war the marines and all the branches of the military have probably drop their standards in order to meet their recruitment quotas.with an all volunteer military it can`t be easy meeting recruitment quotas when you have been at war for 12 years with no end in sight.

reply to post by Tardacus


Yes and the same is for the rest of the socialist states of east coast America. Funny the Marines there in a city with laws that violate the 2nd Amendment.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Yah on the differences...


On whether they have done this before, I think watch it burns post at bottom of page 1 helps to understand. Pouring lead down the barrels would prevent them from firing but not be visible to a casual inspection. A marine with bad intent could replace his barrel and load for bear. Without a direct examination into the chamber one might get away with carrying a loaded rifle in the parade. Missing bolts however would be readily obvious to all standers by.

Today the fraidy cats run everything. They would have us all living in prisons in shackles before they felt "safe".

reply to post by ajay59

You know something is really wrong when the holder of the highest office in the land cannot trust those he commands!

Hasn't it always been that way? I mean that measures taken to protect all the higher ups are pseudo secret and not spotlighted as much as the seeming carefree way they address their subjects.

They look innocuous enough at a glance, but all around and right underneath, they are armed to the teeth behind barricades and barriers of armor and rifle scopes. So they are trusting someone...

it just ain't us!

reply to post by intrptr

Hasn't it always been that way? I mean that measures taken to protect all the higher ups are pseudo secret and not spotlighted as much as the seeming carefree way they address their subjects.

I suppose it has at least nearly always been that way. But why should it be that way?

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny!"
Thomas Jefferson




I guess Thomas Jefferson answered that question for us a long time ago. Do you suppose he could see the future?

reply to post by ajay59

I guess Thomas Jefferson answered that question for us a long time ago. Do you suppose he could see the future?

Indeed they lived under England's domination in the colonies and also witnessed the French Revolution. Their wisdom was born of that era of tyranny and oppression.

History may not repeat itself but it does rhyme...

reply to post by intrptr


I like that!

History may not repeat itself but it does rhyme...

Would you mind if I quoted you some time? With full credit of coarse!

reply to post by ajay59

I can't claim that. Mark Twain said it. I don't think he'll mind though.

reply to post by Signals


Having watched 2 videos of the event and reading many of the responses in this thread, I have to conclude that some people are overreacting a bit. Even ol' Bobby Powell seemed to have his conspiratorial juices flowing on high speed.

It was pretty sloppy in a couple scenes. They broke ranks, many were out of step and some were diddy bopping (bouncing) but my guess is that's because of the noise. It's one thing to march on a quiet parade deck and quite another thing when you can't hear commands over 1/2 million screening Obama fanatics. With all the screaming and crying going on it was probably like trying to march through the middle of a Justin Bieber concert.

As far as their rifles being disabled, what do you expect from this POTUS? The guy was behind bullet proof glass like he was the Pope or something. Panetta made troops disarm before his visit so why is it shocking that Obama did it? Guilty conscience probably.

Semper Fi

Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by Signals

 

If it's true then... it simply defines a paranoid regime in a paranoid country on a day when paranoia owns.

Unless these were actual squared away Marines...who were making a point.

Sloppy parade for sloppy government? Or along those lines?

Unless they were signalling their intention to arm themselves with bows and arrows in the future, when the Government takes their guns too...those were some pretty slick looking D's they formed, very bow shaped file..

I'll tell you something for nothing, as ex-Army, my sergaent would have (and often did) kick me right up the arse if i even thought of marching in such a crap state as those guys.

If they really were top of the pile Marines, and IF they weren't making a protest or statement with their shoddy performance, they and their instructors ought to be bloody ashamed of themselves.

Originally posted by Tardacus
isn`t it illegal to have firearms inside the washington D.C. city limits?Does that apply to drill teams too? maybe they weren`t legally allowed to carry operating firearms so they had to remove the bolts?

as far as the sloppy marching, maybe these marines were desk jockeys and IT people who haven`t marched in formation since boot camp?

overall it did look pretty sloppy and amatuerish.With the ongoing 12 year war the marines and all the branches of the military have probably drop their standards in order to meet their recruitment quotas.with an all volunteer military it can`t be easy meeting recruitment quotas when you have been at war for 12 years with no end in sight.

edit on 26-2-2013 by Tardacus because: (no reason given)

Don't be apologetic for that shower mate, it was terrible. They HAD to have an ulterior motive, or else they were NOT top notch Marines...and only tip notch Marines get the Honour of parading in front of the brass like that.

I'm pretty sure the swarms of SS agents around the Government 'bigwigs' are armed to the teeth, and the snipers and plants in the crowd, and the FBI agents dressed up in fancy dress...it's safe to say, if your face fits, arms are allowed in DC.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Signals

 

Having watched 2 videos of the event and reading many of the responses in this thread, I have to conclude that some people are overreacting a bit. Even ol' Bobby Powell seemed to have his conspiratorial juices flowing on high speed.

It was pretty sloppy in a couple scenes. They broke ranks, many were out of step and some were diddy bopping (bouncing) but my guess is that's because of the noise. It's one thing to march on a quiet parade deck and quite another thing when you can't hear commands over 1/2 million screening Obama fanatics. With all the screaming and crying going on it was probably like trying to march through the middle of a Justin Bieber concert.

As far as their rifles being disabled, what do you expect from this POTUS? The guy was behind bullet proof glass like he was the Pope or something. Panetta made troops disarm before his visit so why is it shocking that Obama did it? Guilty conscience probably.

Semper Fi

edit on 26-2-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Frakin excellent commentary
Go Blue

reply to post by Signals


Those are real Marines. Marine Barracks 8th and I have a couple of units that are for show (you might have seen them on US TV proforming during a Marine Corps ad) These units are not the same units that provide security for the POTUS, but rather they are the ones that anyone can go see during the Summer Parades held at the Marine Barracks 8th and I in DC.

These Marines are combat capible, but do not have the same clearance as those that guard the POTUS (those Marines are completely different in their trainning and security clearances)

The Bolts are either made non-firing, or are removed completely during public events like this for security reasons (which "I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT")

So, yes, real US Marine Corps where used during this event.

***SIDE NOTE***

If a Marcher had any behavior issues that might be looked at as negitive towards the POTUS, then that Marine would not have been allowed to take part in the event.

***END OF SIDE NOTE***

***ADDED IN COMMENT***

After rewatching the little video (with the sound off) it looks to me that they seem ok, a little bunching up here and there, but over all ok. The front ranks looked good, but after the front 2 the rest kind of got off kilter a bit (it can happen when not looking strait. Try walking in a strait line wit your head turned , it's not easy)

I will say that nothing here seems to be afoot, just Marchers doign their thing. Could it havebeen better? Sure, but then again these Marines aren't doing these long marches like what you get in these events very often. For the most part they serve 2 years as a Marcher, then they finish off their enlistment in the Fleet (though sometimes they come from the Fleet, but thats not that commen)

...a 400% increase in death threats on Obama compared to bush, just might have the secret service a little skittish....and i'm sure there are quite a few in the ranks of the marines that don't consider a black president to be legitimate.

It's OK Jarheads I couldn't give a crap about any "Dog and pony show"
Just as long as you shoot straight and keep the faith.
Hey Rabbit tell them about the Clintons.
He stopped saluting.
Not as bad as hugging an MOH winner without a salute though.

Originally posted by Signals
I'm no military expert, so help me out here, ATS...

On orders from the Obama administration, the bolts from the M1 rifles carried by Marines in the Inaugural parade were removed. Even more shockingly, it appears that the Marines who normally provide security and perform ceremonial functions for the President were replaced with ringers.

Why were the bolts removed?

Why do some of the Marines appear to be unshaven?

Why are they not marching in a straight line?

Why are some Marines facing left while others are facing forward?

Skip to 13:00 to see -

Is this normal?

Is this a protest against our President by genuine Marines?

Some of the "Marines" that paraded in front of the reviewing stand on Inauguration Day were unshaven, their uniforms out of line and ill-fitting, and their marching skills - in the opinion of this writer and dozens of other real Marines - could easily have been bested by any 3rd phase Marine Corp recruit platoon.

bobpowell.blogspot.com...

A protest? Like they would have a choice to march or not if he said to. He is not just the President he is also Commander in Chief of the armed forces so that means he's the boss, the top man, every one of them must do as he says. Since this is already in skunk works I am going to assume that these are real marines.

They were disarmed during Bush's parade too, they also had soldiers out of step in bush's parade and every president before him in modern times. It's the MO. They aren't expected to march the entire way in perfect formation either, only at certain points on the march.

The really pitiful part is people who take tiny details from ONE parade and don't realize it happens in EVERY parade but they sure try to make it sound like it does

This hasn't happened during others:


people booing as the president goes through.

Marines were disarmed for his inaug.

Obama is genuinely afraid of his own troops.

Suicide rates at record highs, troops and vets being drugged up, experimental vaccinations, prolonged wars.

I mean, when things like this happens (video below), is it relaly a surprise that Obama, his administration and/or his care takers want to disarm marines or possibly even replace them with fake marines? I am sticking with the former though.