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The "Lame stream media"(mature) is one of the biggest cheerleaders for the army. It doesn't bring up the drone strikes often, which have killed many innocent people, including children.
Perhaps I should post the Apache footage, the "brave men and women" in that situation decided to fire upon un-armed civilians with a AC-130. The "MSM" didn't show that too much. Of course not all of the army kill civilians, but there have been far too many instances.
Wait, so in the same sentence you claim that the "MSM" are nwo puppets, you say that they overblow negative stories about the military which you think is ran by the same nwo. You contradicted yourslef in one sentence, impressive.
No, they wern't American, I was backing up my post about the military killing innocent people overseas you tool, the same post you took offense to. Judging by your posts I presume they recruited you after you flunked school?
Well, I must tell you, professor, I do have firsthand experience. I’ve seen firsthand how people respond to orders (both good and not so good) and I’ve been the one giving orders, too. I understand what motivates people and what people will/will not respond to. I’m a former NCO and currently a degreed business manager. My background isn’t in academia (though I’ve spent years there); it’s in the real world rather than secondhand info. I'm not a 20-something kid on here bloviating. I'm a 39 year old grown man with some life experience.
Corps IS people. Country IS people. Everyone has choices. I’m telling you that the character of the people I served with is, for the most part, above reproach. Especially from people who have no firsthand knowledge to back up their lame assertions.
Originally posted by Feltrick
reply to post by lynxpilot
But you didn't answer my question. Will you sacrifice your family for a revolution?
The point of the post was that some will fire upon citizens but the majority won't. 67% of the Guardsmen did not fire their weapons. Those Guardsmen were most likely ill trained and inexperienced, they were in a very confused situation and, when they heard the first shot, some opened fire. Some, not all. Others chose not to fire, they disobeyed their SGT and their training.
So, the point being is that not all of the soldiers would fire upon civilians, a majority would refuse those orders.
Originally posted by ItsAConspiracy
Or am I wrong? Will soldiers just blindly accept orders and that they're just mindless killing drones?
Seems like we are both just all about assmuptions then . . . However, I'm not a twenty-something college blowhard either and have you beat on age and "life experiences" besides wearing a uniform. And, officer or not, you were still at pawn level.
And this gets to the heart of the problem . . . You lack the perspective of distance.
Nothing I have said is about people being reproachable . . . and that is the point. It's about good people doing evil acts, that they normally would not do. It can be exemplified by the fact the to a man/woman they never would admit the ability to do these things. I have plenty of firsthand knowledge in this subject with members of civilian society, LEOs, and military . . . whether I served as a member or not.
I get it . . . you feel a little tighness in your chest when someone accuses the military of being able to kill Americans. You think this means I'm claiming they are mindless, heartless drones. That's not what I said in any post . . . look it up. I also never claimed it would be across the board . . . there would be dissenters, if ever turned against their own populace.
I also never claimed conditions were right for soldiers to go along with such orders . . . because currently they are not. But, if they were . . . you would be proven wrong very quickly and as ex-military you would be one of the first one's on the list.
How do we get to those conditions?
1. Us vs Them - use prejudice to foster the (fictional) notion of the existence of superior and dominant in-groups and inferior and powerless out-groups . . . if you haven't seen this ramped up between gov and dissenters since 9/11 . . . you haven't been watching.
When you can argue against the easy of implementing these steps . . . or tell me how LEO abuse at US riots differs from Marines at Abu Ghraib . . . or how Jane Elliot's studies don't show children are born ready to turn on their own . .
It says anti-federalists “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government, believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional rights. Finally, they support civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government. Extremists in the anti-federalist movement direct most their violence against the federal government and its proxies in law enforcement.”
The report also draws a link between the mainstream conservative movement and the violent “far right,” and describes liberals as “future oriented” and conservatives as living in the past.
Originally posted by skorpius
A lot of times the Gov will lie to the troops and make them believe the enemy is a real threat.