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Will our soldiers defend a tyrannical government?
Assumptions galore . . . huh?
1. Where did I use the word lunatic? You need to seperate yourself from the "I'm a proud devildog" mentality. I'm talking about human psychology. I come from a military family and have family members currently serving for two different countries. Humans are humans and all humans behave through the same mechanisms regardless of nationality or profession.
2. Read my posts throughout the this thread . . . they are all on topic and directly related to the question posed in the OP. Take the time to watch the documentary I posted on the first page and then argue why somehow psychological manipulation doesn't work on American soldiers.
3. Hypothetical? . . . Recent? How recent . . . ? I've given several examples, mulitple times. You want more recent than Sandy Hook? Iraq/Afganistan? Rwanda? Croatia/Serbia? Vietnam? . . . It doesn't matter. The way the brain works and the triggers to manipulate haven't changed in over 2000 yrs according to history's examples.
You are quite free to disagree and defend your service men and women . . . individual and as a whole they deserve it. But, I think you need to actually read my posts and if you can't comprehend that everybody's brain works the same because we are all human or have the ability to distinguish between group think and individual dilemas . . .
There no need for either one of us to address each other. And BTW - I think including personal experience about my family being sent to concentration camps in Poland (Auschwitz) and Germany (Mauthausen) is speaking from experience. Want more? My father was spit, hit with bottles, and called all sorts of names when he returned from Vietnam . . . how were you treated when you returned home from service?
I meant the two situations you mentioned above…that I responded to. There is no instance in recent history of military members firing on US citizens.
I didn't serve in the military. That desire (to be a marine coincidently) was kicked out of me by my father (marine) before I turned 18. My cousins all served. 11 of them in Isreal. 6 in the US. 6 of those 17 still serving today.
And . . . you don't have first hand experience with human psychology or the steps needed to control large groups of people through mental manipulation, dis/misinformation, or guided response . . . that I can easily tell by your "pie-in-the-sky" - "I've asked them" responses. It's also clear you didn't watch the doc or have any knowledge of the psychological studies mentioned in this thread. Nor do you have any understanding how easy it is to make someone do unspeakable things against another human. American or otherwise doesn't matter . . . the point is dehumanization . . . not nationality. In the end . . . nationality is a red herring people use as a security blanket to rationalize their evil acts.
I do have firsthand experiences in those fields and arenas . . . your responses in this thread might as well have been canned and dropped into a research paper. Typical and expected for someone who does not know how the mind works.
Your experiences are as a pawn. Pawns do not control their movements . . . and do not see Queen behind them.
Corp and Country . . . right? But, not when you "think for yourself" . . . I guess?
Originally posted by Cynicaleye
America's soldiers seem to have no problem killing defenseless civilians in a desert, I imagine they would follow the "Tyrannical" orders.
Originally posted by Feltrick
So how many of you citizens are willing to leave your families and defend against a tryannical government? I mean, you think the soldiers should just desert their posts, leaving their families to fend for themselves while they go off and defend you. How many of you are willing to sacrifice your families?
Again, I say, these soldiers are not mindless drones...ask a veteran! They have families to take care of, just like anyone else. The decision to desert one's post is not an easy decision for one to make, especially considering that their families will be left to fend for themselves. Now, that said, some may fight on the side of the "tyrannical" government while others may choose to not obey the orders given.
Some are using Kent State as an example. Of the 77 Guardsmen involved, roughly 29 fired upon the students after their SGT fired the first shots. If this is true, then it was the SGT and 29 of his troops who did this massacre, not all of the Guardsmen. In fact, seems less than half made the decision to fire, while the others did not.
Though the troops, who did not fire on the students, did not necessarily defend them either, they did make the decision to NOT fire upon US citizens.
So, how many of you are willing to sacrifice the ones you love?