reply to post by HomoSapiensSapiens
Biblical Christianity holds that hell, i.e the Lake of Fire, where those not found in the Book of Life are going to be consumed away to ashes, doesn't
actually exist until after Jesus' second coming and then after the 1000 years the redeemed of the first resurrection spend in heaven.
False Christianity teaches that upon death you either go to Heaven or Hell. The Bible teaches though that upon death you remain in the ground waiting,
described as a "sleep", waiting for either the first resurrection of the redeemed or the second resurrection of the wicked who will be then consumed
by fire until they are ashes.
Your OP is asking proof of something exists when it has not began to exist yet so that is a fairly pointless aim.
Nevertheless, there is some evidence for what the Lake of Fire will be like because the same fire that is said to be used in the Lake of Fire is what
was used to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah (Brimstone...molten sulfur).
Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens" Genesis 19:24. "Turning the cities of Sodom and
Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly" II Peter 2:6.
Millions of those sulfur balls were found all over the destroyed cities of Sodom, Gomorrah, Zeboim, Zoar and Admah.
Chemical analysis of those sulfur balls revealed them to be about 98% pure sulfur with the other elements composed of things which would make the
sulfur burn hotter (like magnesium).
The purest forms of naturally occurring sulfur comes to at around 40% pure. The sulfur that hit those cities only has 30 times less impurities than
anything found on Earth. There is no doubt that what destroyed those cities has supernatural intervention.
further reading on Sodom and Gomorrah discovery 1
So how do we prove Heaven exists
I think the only individuals we know by name who are already in Heaven are Enoch and Elijah and they are no help in proving that it exists other than
taking what was written down and believed by those who saw it take place at the time to be truth. So how can this help support the existence of
We could provide some evidence of Jesus' living existence still now.
100 testimonials of people being saved by Jesus from CE4 experiences
. With the CE4
experiences we have people who are in the middle of what to them appears to be an alien abduction/harassment experience. People have been able to stop
these experiences happening part way through by calling on the name of Jesus to help them and which is the only things that does help them. Such
experiences reveal that the "aliens" are really just the fallen angels in disguise trying to plant in the minds of the world that we could have been
seeded by an advanced ET race.
Search Bob Larson on youtube
and have a look at all the people being delivered from various forms of demonic
possession through the power of the living savior, Jesus.
An alternative way to help support the existence of Heaven would be to do a probability analysis of how reliable are the visions of those prophets of
God who have seen Heaven and described it. Here I can think of two examples, John in the book Revelation and Ellen White in
Chapter 42 of the Great Controversy
or in her book
How can we judge the worth of John the Revelator's visions of heaven, perhaps by judging the historical fulfilment of his visions relating to the
Beast (of the Sea)/Whore of Babylon
full historical fulfilment of Daniel and Revelation description of the anti-christ
. Some of the
descriptions there need a little more explaining than provided but...on close inspection of those descriptors, all are fulfilled historically.
What kind of probability can you give for a full fulfilment of all those different descriptions written thousands and thousands of years ago
(especially when we read of people who expose Satanism in the Catholic Church, who founded the illuminati, and what ex-illuminati people have to say
about the Vatican).
To judge the worth of Ellen White's visions on Heaven we will look at an area she wrote on which has evidence of fulfilment but it not based on a
conditional prophecy. We will look at the area of her health reform.
Ellen White wrote a tremendous amount in her life (becoming the most prolific writing in American history before she died) and one area she wrote on
and claimed she was receiving her insight from God was on health reform.
Please read some of Development of Ellen White's health principles
With no formal background in health or diet or a school education of any distinguished length, she wrote done at the time a raft of practices that
people should follow to ensure best health practise. This was written over 150 years ago when all kinds of ideas of what constituted good dietary and
health practices were floating around with no established clear methods. Out of all the various practises that were floating around she just happened
to say all the practises that have come out much later in time to be shown to be beneficial to the body and included none that were shown to be
harmful later on. What is the probability of this?
What is the probability that the diet she advocated Adventist's to eat (told to her by God) just happens to make Adventist now the longest living
non-geocentric specific culture in the entire world?
Longveity Blue Zones
SDA women in America live 9 years on average longer than their counterparts in America and the men live 11 years longer on average (years generally
free of any major disease or health concern).
Adventist are the only group who aren't seeing their longevity deteriorate and the only group that aren't contained to a specific location in the
further info on SDA longevity
What does this evidence of historical fulfilment of Biblical prophecy and Adventist health tell us about the likelihood that Heaven is real and is as
described by John the Revelator and Ellen White....it tells us that in areas that we can confirm show that what is written down seems to be beyond any
human knowledge to write and predict then it is extremely likely to the point of certainty (when combined with the evidence for the existence of other
factors) that Heaven is real as is the Judgement at the End of Time where those not in God will be erased from existence.
Therefore....both Heaven and Hell are "real"
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