Greece: "A promise from the army has been obtained to not intervene against a civil uprising

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posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Good news. I hope it rings true because we can't afford to have a weak military.




posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


I'm thinking that this statement that “the army will not intervene” is certainly not intended as being in the best interest of the people either. If you read the article, they are afraid that the military would rise up on the side of the people and stage a military coup. So the assurance here is that the military will not be helping the common man revolt against the government, not that the army will not be used by the government against the people.

Just my read on it, could be wrong...

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
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No that is not it. The IMF and Goldman Sachs did this. Not the damn people. Why are there these people nowadays that want to blame the people for the banks greed?


They're all to blame - the banks, the politicians and the people. Read the book.



posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
reply to post by Bilk22
 


No that is not it. The IMF and Goldman Sachs did this. Not the damn people. Why are there these people nowadays that want to blame the people for the banks greed?

Both is true actually.

It is true that the former Greek Government cooked their books with the help of Goldman&Sachs, lied themselves into the abomination that is the €Z, and steered Greece into economic meltdown with their vast budget overspending.

It is also true that the centralist cabal of international banksters and thieves supported and furthered this process for their profits.

However, it is also true that whithout the losses of far-reaching tax evasion (15-25%/GDP in 2007, even before(!) the GFC hit), and the biggest shadow economy in Europe, Greece would have never reached her current economic state and would be more than consolidated today.
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posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
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People are scared.

We are on precipice and I don't care who you are, it's scary as hell.

Fear, will cause many people to switch their positions real quick. Everyone will be confused. Who to trust? Where do you throw your weight? What if you choose the losing side, even if it's the right side?

~ Cirque


This is true. Looking at death dead in the face will change someone's mind. But everybody can't just roll over that easy. Confidence and courage has to kick in somewhere. The people have to understand that if things keep going the way they are, they will eventually live as slaves... I don't know about them but I don't call a life of slavery "living".



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by Quauhtli
I wonder how many times in history a government has contracted a foreign military to police it's own people. If my understanding is correct this is what's going on here?

Epic fail, this is a sure fire way to ruin a country. Given enough time the military will step in and perform a coup on it's own government. This is such a tyrannical idea, it's almost unimaginable.


That's the current MO for the security forces of Bahrain as I understand it, their police officers and armed forces personnel are recruited from other middle eastern countries (Jordan etc) so the ruling elite (their Royalty lol) can rest assured that any orders will be carried out without question as the security forces won't be beating down their own people as they're typically not from the place so they won't care!



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by bjax9er
Don't trust the police?

You Greeks better find some guns ASAP.


Don't worry, there are plenty of guns in the hands of the citizens in Greece.

There are also plenty of people who have military training who aren't part of the armed forces, but would drop what they were doing and pick up a gun to defend their country in an instant.

And just because some former diplomat says the military chiefs have given their word the army wont intervene, that doesn't mean that it's true. It also doesn't mean that those below them will agree and sit idly by while the country is torn apart.

This so called "news" is not being reported anywhere except for fringe sites which aren't trustworthy or reputable.
Greek media would have been all over this, if it were true, by now. And they aren't.


Put it this way..the army will not intervene unless the streets of Athens turn bloody in a clear break down of civil order where the government and the police are unable to maintain control. THAT is when the army will step in. But they will not step in and over throw the government. They will step in and restore order to the streets. And guess who will order them to do so? The government.

There are plenty of people in the army, and police for that matter, who are pissed off. Not pissed off because their wages have been cut, but pissed off because the political establishment in the country is a complete disaster. Their ARE foreign interests at play here, who are directing this from behind the scenes. This whole crisis was by design, so are the outcomes now.
What they want, is a complete break down of civil order in Greece. They want to see new lows reached.
Because when that happens, they can then use their puppets, the political establishment in Greece, to basically redesign Greek society from the ground up.

Refer to what Henry Kissinger said decades ago about Greece and the Greeks..

What he said needs to happen, is exactly what has been happening and what is happening.
Till this day, Greece has been a massive roadblock to American interests in the region. Why? Because American interests have clashed with Greek interests.
It is not in Greece's interests to share it's natural resources in the Aegean with Turkey who has no right to them.
It is not in Greece's interests to allow FYROM to be called Macedonia, with clear irredentist and expansionalist claims against Greece.
It is not in Greece's interests to abandon Cyprus and let the Turks have their way with it.

But, so long as Greece stands, there's not much that can be done. They cant declare war, because Greece is technically an ally.
They have tried to force a war between Greece and Turkey, but Greece has been on guard and the armed forces remain on guard still(as can be seen by the extremely high number of exercises being held over the last few years) even if the politicians have bent over for foreign interests.

So, attack economically, where you are not exposed as the attacker. I mean, we have our theories, but I can't provide you with physical proof of what I'm saying.

Attack culturally, where you are not exposed as the attacker.
One look at the Greek music scene these days, and it's basically American pop music with Greek lyrics.
The dancing, the sound of the music, the outfits..there's nothing Greek about them.
There's even Greek rap music now.
You then have Turks, FYROMians, Albanians, and God knows who else, claiming parts of Greek culture and history. With money from foreign NGO's, like those controlled by George Sorros. Now that name alone should scare the crap out of you all. The fact he is involved, means that nothing good will come out of any of this in the short term. And if people like him have their way, in the long run as well.

Claims that the government have hired Blackwater and other foreign private paramilitary/security firms, are unsubstantiated.
Remember to keep in mind who the source of this news is. In this case, some magazine site. And on what section is this news posted on? The BLOG SECTION.

It also does not provide ANY evidence or proof that the former diplomat said anything of the sort.
The usual tell tale signs of a quote, of a source, etc etc, that can be found in credible sites.


But, having said all that, there is one thing that all these people who are conspiring to become wealthier at the expense of the Greeks, at the expense of the Italians, Spanish, and all the people of this world, have not factored in, is that the Greeks will stand up and they will fight, without any regard for death.
My life is not as important as upholding the values and ideals that our forefathers established.
If me fighting, and dying, helps to uphold those values and ideals, then that is what I will do.
They might win, we might "lose" Greece for a few years or longer..but we will never give up and stop fighting till we win.



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by Bilk22

Originally posted by R_Clark


This story from the New Statesman brings light to what is going on in Greece behind the scenes. It is a look how EU cadres, big business and security (Blackwater redux), and banksters have stripped the country then reset the rules for the people of Greece. One interesting tidbit is that the source confirms that the Greek government does not trust the police and has put in a layer of security control which is private from outside the country. Will this system of control be used on an ongoing basis in other locations to assure compliance?

www.newstatesman.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Greece and it's people have a lot of issues. The politicians are politicians and do what they do everywhere, placate their constituency in the form of socioeconomic handouts. The Greek people were not fond of paying income taxes. Many either didn't pay at all or just paid what they felt like. They had a much higher expenditure than revenue stream and the country went belly up. Sound familiar?

Want to know what happened there and in other countries facing the same situation, including the US? This explains it well and in lay terms so anyone can understand it. "Boomerang: Travels in the New Third World" by Michael Lewis.

The Greeks are averse to work (generalization) because they, over time, were allowed to retire very early and live a carefree life and all paid for by the government, which ran out of money. There were/are other problems as well, but that's a big part of it. Actually this is a problem in a good part of the EU. Socialism where everyone wants to be equal and no one wants to work more than the next person because they are ............... well, equal and if I have to work more then that's not equal.


No offense, but you are ignorant.

Most Greeks DID PAY THEIR TAXES. FACT.

The issue is that those who control over 80% of the wealth, around 3,000 individuals(no kidding now), did NOT pay their taxes, or did not pay the right amount of tax in other words they found ways around paying the correct amount by lying and covering up their true earnings etc.
This is actually factual information that has been released. It is not repeated on the nightly news or in mainstream articles, because it goes against the globalist agenda. If the masses knew they were being lied to by, the global agenda wouldn't pan out as planned because people everywhere else on this planet would rise up.

The reason there was more expenditure then money available on hand, was because of those mega wealthy individuals. Who remain unaffected by the crisis mind you.


Averse to work? You do realize it's actually FACT that Greeks work MORE hours then anyone else in Europe, right?
I mean, you aren't talking out of your backside like it appears? Right...?

The other problem in Greece, is the gigantic public sector. It was as big as Frances when the crisis started.

The other problem is corruption. Which lead to the public sector issues. Which lead to the tax evasion issues not being dealt with because those mega wealthy evading taxes were in the same circles as the politicians. These mega wealthy people and politicians are also in the same circles as other mega wealthy people from other countries and their politicians. So you should all be worried about how bad the problem is in YOUR countries too. Because it exists everywhere. There's people who were involved in the Siemens scandal in Greece, which are being protected in Germany right now, which the German government refuses to extradite to Greece so they can face trial for their crimes. THAT IS HOW CORRUPT EUROPE IS. It is not just Greece. It is the entire #ing system.

The money didn't "run out" as you say. Not that simple.

Things would have continued going on like they were for many more decades to come, if Greece had not joined the EuroZone.

Upon joining the EuroZone, which was setup to benefit the Germans, the Dutch etc, countries like Greece, Portugal, Spain, faced fiscal problems. This is another FACT that is not in dispute.


What's it been now, 4-5 years since this crisis started? And we are finding our selves STILL HAVING TO EXPLAIN THE BASICS TO PEOPLE?
Did you just crawl out of your basement where you were cut off from the rest of the world for half a decade?



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by gladtobehere
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


I'm thinking that this statement that “the army will not intervene” is certainly not intended as being in the best interest of the people either. If you read the article, they are afraid that the military would rise up on the side of the people and stage a military coup. So the assurance here is that the military will not be helping the common man revolt against the government, not that the army will not be used by the government against the people.

Just my read on it, could be wrong...

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




If it is true, another take on it might be that they are trying to "bring down peoples belief" that the army will protect them and the nation as a whole if things cross a certain point.

I think in a few months there's some new measures that will be passed, or attempted to be passed, which will cause another explosion of violence.
So with that in mind, this may be an attempt to calm the situation by evaporating peoples hopes in "breaking free" so to speak.

What Greece needs at this point is to break free basically. It needs someone patriotic, or a group of patriotic people, to stand up and stop this madness. Because this is madness.
A break from the EU, a break from the EuroZone, boot the IMF out.
Bring in Chinese and Russian investment. Russian businessmen and billionaires are already lining up to invest, to the displeasure of the Americans mind you who have warned Greece not to sell anything to the Russians.
I suppose selling to the Americans and their European co-conspirators who will seek only to make more profits at peoples expense is a good thing? While selling to the Russians, who at the start of the crisis were offering interest free loans to the government to help with the cash flow crisis they were having..is a bad thing.

The Chinese have invested in the Port of Piraeus, with plans to upgrade and expand it further.
The Russians are interested in investing in Greece and waiting.

Where is the investment from Greece's so called "Western allies and friends"?
You know one thing that Greece needs right now, is economic growth.
Investments that will create jobs, economic growth.
More people with jobs, means more money is circulated. Means they have money to spend. Means small businesses will open their doors again and flourish.
Means people will have money to pay their taxes again, meaning the government will have more revenue.


Does anyone else find something wrong with the fact that Greece went from just over 100% of debt to gdp at the start of the crisis, to over 160% now?

The system is broken people. Not just in Greece, but in the West in general.

There is not going to be any SHTF in the USA or anywhere else. If it happened in the USA, the whole world will collapse with it.
What's happening is they are using countries like Greece, which will not have that much effect on the world economy besides a few fluctuations that the banksters will make more money off anyway, so they can usher in their new order.
While you are waiting for it to happen to you, they are busy implementing the new order.

And the more ignorant people who rally against Greece online etc, the easier it becomes for them to bring in the new order right under your noses.
Because you stay ignorant, you stay distracted from what's really going on.
And then one day, bam, it's too late.

That's why I pity those who talk bs online about what's happening in Greece.
They think they are on the ball, but couldn't be further from the court.



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 05:49 AM
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How will the Greek government afford to pay mercenary/private armies to protect them? (Since I doubt their military would.)

Maybe I missed something but Greece is broke? Will they pay Blackwater / others in private islands and other natural resources?



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 05:52 AM
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I remember one instance off the top of my head of foreign troops being used against ones own people.....the Saxons were used in England. It did not fair well for the locals.......the Saxons never left.

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posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 05:55 AM
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They can sell off the surplus military hardware they have been stocking up on for the future EU army....or just trade it to the mercenaries for services rendered. That is unless the military seizes it first.



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 09:19 AM
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It will be interesting to see who fires the first shot, and who is prepared to take the first bullet, I have no idea who would, I hope it does not happen.



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 09:34 AM
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Wake up people.The truth is really simple.The problem was never the Greeks,both politicians and civilians. Just like EVERY country politicians are corrupted and people try to avoid taxes. There isn't ONE country that acts differenty. No, Greece is not more corrupted than Italy, France, Spain or Germany. It's the same situation. The problem is the Black Gold and all its resources in combination with Greece's position in Mediterra. Now tell me a reason why the banks kept loaning money without demanding anything from Greece? What kind of bank does give you money when they know for sure you can't give them back? No bank does that... Unlike other countries in Greece we own the water, electricity, telephones, and all our resources. Why do they force us now to SELL everything to them? Do I have to believe that if we sell our water, our energy and every organization that belongs to the people of Greece to foreigners, we will be in a better situation??How is that going to work? Does this seem logical to anyone? Why NOONE says it clearly that it is SCIENTIFICALLY PROOVEN now that there are tons of oil and other resources beneath Greece?Can someone imagine what would happen if Mediterranean Greece would come to exploit all these resources for the country's benefit? Would Greece then become the new LEADER in the market of oil,since it's alot easier for Greece to supply Europe's energetic needs,than Europe taking it from Arabs? And last, have you ever seen any economicaly oil based country to have Democracy?I think not...Every oil exporting country is under dictatorship...Because it's just easier for those who make the big deals with oil countries to control. That's the plan for Greece. To be a dictatored economically #ed up country with no middle classes, just very poor and very wealthy classes, easily controllable.So this it...

But I would like to remind to all those greedy people around that Greece, no matter all the hunt downs and MASS KILLING of its people,no matter all the exploitation, no matter all the suffering that they caused to this country,has never stopped existing even since before the dawn of modern civilization.

Thank you
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posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 09:48 AM
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Amazing how you called Bilk22 ingorant and then did exactly the same, saying this:

Originally posted by iBallinU
[...]Upon joining the EuroZone, which was setup to benefit the Germans, the Dutch etc[...]

Why aren't the PIIGS-Nations leaving the €Z now to end this nightmare for the sake of all of us, when they could never fulfill it's guidelines in the first place?
You know, despite what the majority here wants, we CAN'T leave because we're TIED to the EU and the €Z as a trade-off for our reunification!
That's right, Europe is still so scared of a strong, unbound Germany that they tied us to this abomination.
We don't want this crap either and it's not working for the benefit of the German people!
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posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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That was interesting. From your link:


“At a certain moment, quite soon, there will be an explosion of social unrest. It will be very unpleasant,” he says, referring to 15 armed incidents in the previous ten days. In the past few weeks, offices of the governing parties have been firebombed as well as the homes of pro-government journalists. The headquarters of the prime minister's conservative New Democracy party was machine-gunned, and days later a bomb exploded at a shopping mall belonging to the country's second wealthiest citizen, although no one has been badly injured by the attacks.

Emphasis added. Finally they are beginning to target the real culprits behind their plight, not just "protest in the street". Watch out greedy corrupt elite... your paradigm is in jeopardy. Other countries will eventually follow this example as the "Austerity" fails to do anything but distract.

Further:

Chrysanthopoulos says that the government has hired Blackwater, the American private military firm infamous for its activities in Iraq, which now goes by the name "Academi", along with five other international for-profit security outfits. Explaining why this has happened, he says bluntly: “The Greek government does not trust the police whose salaries have also been cut.”

Unbelievable. Can't trust the military or police not to join the revolution? Hire the real behind the scenes thugs to "fix it". They'll be sure not to discriminate...

You guys want to see down the road to all the other rising conflicts around the world because of corruption at the top, just watch the unfolding events in the EU.


www.newstatesman.com...



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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Well, I can not understand few moments...
1. How can any state bankropt? Can than creditors bill that in slaves, does that mean that country in bankroptcy owns and sells its citizens? And parts of country, I need cash, I am ruler, I will sell few islands this week, together with my slaves there?
2. How can the whole world work for Greater Germany, they even don't have any nuclear bomb? ARE YOU ALL MAD, GERMANS ARE #ING THE WHOLE WORLD... AGAIN!


For an example, Erich Honecker was in prison under Hitler, when he was young, and, than, under Kol's occupiers... Yes, that was the occupation of DDR...


Try this link, please! Surely it IS my bussines, I am from Yugoslavia... www.hri.org...

In the name of... At the bottom of the page...
THE SOCIALIST FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF JUGOSLAVIA
Josip Broz TITO
President of the Socialist Federal Republic of Jugoslavia

What happened? Senior came, and abolished all agreements, together with West Germany and Vatican.
And imported, or helped it, armed terorists into souveregn countries, into my country, too.
And, we are all mad, we are all loosers?
Bush is not for Haag, he is for Nirnberg


Statement by Press Secretary Fitzwater on the President's Meeting With Prime Minister Ante Markovic of Yugoslavia
October 13, 1989
www.presidency.ucsb.edu...


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posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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The police are mainly allied with the Golden Dawn. I am thinking the army is too.

Neither one will tolerate an external mercenary force for long, even though this is the only thing that will keep the currently reigning hard left / semi-Commies in power.

Personally I'd take a hard right government over a hard left one any day.



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 03:05 PM
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tru dat? true dat? i um, agree? right?
democracy is de be.s....i can't say it, you've got to be a Jedi Master to be able to pull of this lie.
kudos



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 04:57 PM
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and people say "Can't Happen in America" - I gather they don't have a clue how close the US finances are close to collapse.....watch Greece, it will be coming to us all sooner or later (cause the dog and pony show that governments are telling us that we are in recovery is a load of lies)

America - keep on fighting to keep your firearms, one day you may have to use them.





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