Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

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Heh, you don't understand how these big web sites think. Their users are their PRODUCT. For this magical UCE technology to be put in place, you have to show a benefit for the site owners AND the users. If there is anything that impacts Twitter or Facebooks chances of seeing the user's private data, they will not implement it.

I don't feel sorry for the users of most web sites. They are usually oblivious and oblivious people do not deserve pity. And the site owners? I have been in a war with them for a decade, blocking their ads and cross site tracking schemes that they all seem to favor.

well twitter uses HTTPS for user privacy and security, in that case the "tweets" themselves are the advertising
and the public facing nature of tweets are the product, not the private user information, yes it does help with "directed" advertising, but when you can "tweet" you dont need exterior "direction of advertising"

well only "first party advertisers" would be able to push ads at you and third party tracking would be denied.

with UCE cross sight scripting would be virtually imposable.
facebook is not interested in privacy, and should not be confused with sights that consider privacy as "important"



ps i wound not use Facebook if you payed me

xploder

If you think Twitter and Facebook are not using all the information you provide them, including your passwords, to build a profile of you, you aren't paranoid enough. People often reveal very personal details of their lives and minds in their passwords, and this is valuable for building a marketing profile. It follows that this information is used.

Cross site scripting is the only way that site owners and ad-companies can cooperate, because they mutually distrust each other. Basically their priorities, at any for-profit web site, put users last because they are merely a product.

Jonathan Mayer, a researcher at Stanford, has contributed a patch for Firefox that will block third-party cookies from installing on the user's browser. The patch is set to be incorporated into Firefox 22. For some sense of timing on the project, Firefox 19 was released on Tuesday.

With the patch, Firefox would allow all cookies from sites that a user actively visits, but it would block cookies from third-party sites if a user has not visited that cookie's origin site. Advertisers generally place third-party cookies and can collect data about a user across several websites with them. This is used to serve more targeted ads or refine where an advertising firm should spend its money.

Blocking third-party cookies would not be new or unheard of among browsers; Apple's Safari already rejects cookies from third parties. In a blog post on Friday, Mayer called the Firefox patch “a slightly relaxed version of the Safari policy.” Chrome allows all cookies, and Internet Explorer blocks some third-party cookies, although not all.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by XPLodER

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I think you're missing my point. At this juncture, using a web site is not akin to negotiating with another person. You must accept that not only will the site owner do whatever they want to extract all possible revenue from you, but that they will sell this information to anybody and everybody. Additionally, they will change their terms of service continually in order to exploit their users more and more.

The problem, though, is ultimately that the users of these web sites are by and large unconcerned about the implications of all of this. Until the vast majority of users start becoming concerned with their privacy, and show that they will not longer use web sites that gather, sell, or use their personal data in order to make a profit, nothing will change.

People in the know will continue to protect their privacy and most will go along with the program, happy in their ignorance.

Originally posted by XPLodER

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by XPLodER

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I think you're missing my point. At this juncture, using a web site is not akin to negotiating with another person. You must accept that not only will the site owner do whatever they want to extract all possible revenue from you, but that they will sell this information to anybody and everybody. Additionally, they will change their terms of service continually in order to exploit their users more and more.

The problem, though, is ultimately that the users of these web sites are by and large unconcerned about the implications of all of this. Until the vast majority of users start becoming concerned with their privacy, and show that they will not longer use web sites that gather, sell, or use their personal data in order to make a profit, nothing will change.

People in the know will continue to protect their privacy and most will go along with the program, happy in their ignorance.

it is my belief that more and more people will become concerned about privacy as more and more information comes out about the practices of the advertisers.

in fact mega.co.nz shows that that there is a market for privacy services,
and more and more people are using add blockers,
and more and more web browsers will block third party cookies by default.

so maby the could be a market for "ethical" advertisers over time,
and this would increase privacy over time.

now would be a good time to start an "privacy by design advertising company"
where customers "choose" who can advertise to them



xploder

People like the idea of privacy, but are unwilling to undergo any difficulties or expend any effort to achieve it. They like placebos. Take Mega - the encryption keys to any given file are held not just by the user, but by Mega as well.

This means they are susceptible to a court ordered seizure.

Slashdot had a good article a few weeks back on the security missteps that Kim Dotcom made.

He's just trying to protect his own ass and benefit by leeching ad bucks off pirates, same as with his old site, but now he is saying that because the files are encrypted, that Mega can't tell if they are pirated, so it's a CYA maneuver and nothing more.

Unlike you I am not hopeful, because people by and large don't even think about privacy. Since 9/11 we have endured a police state with deeper surveillance than East Germany, and ever more intrusive activities by the government and companies alike.

You're still working under what I think is an incorrect assumption, which is that the users are in control of their interactions with sites and advertisers. I mean, they could be if they wanted to be, but they don't so they aren't. This is why privacy has been suffering.

For my own benefit, I'll keep blocking the ads and using my hosts file and ad-busting proxy and such, but I am clearly in the tiniest of minorities here.

Quantum will be kept out of the hands of everyday people for as long as possible. I would estimate that it will be decades before you can buy off-the-shelf quantum anything, even though it's operational in labs today and we have the technology for mass production now.

Quantum algorithm breakthrough February 24, 2013 An international research group led by scientists from the University of Bristol, UK, and the University of Queensland, Australia, has demonstrated a quantum algorithm that performs a true calculation for the first time. Quantum algorithms could one day enable the design of new materials, pharmaceuticals or clean energy devices.

Read more at: phys.org...

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

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Quantum will be kept out of the hands of everyday people for as long as possible. I would estimate that it will be decades before you can buy off-the-shelf quantum anything, even though it's operational in labs today and we have the technology for mass production now.

phys.org...

Quantum algorithm breakthrough February 24, 2013 An international research group led by scientists from the University of Bristol, UK, and the University of Queensland, Australia, has demonstrated a quantum algorithm that performs a true calculation for the first time. Quantum algorithms could one day enable the design of new materials, pharmaceuticals or clean energy devices.

Read more at: phys.org...

i have read about other teams that are also having promising results,
worth the read.......

xploder

One thing's for sure - we're all on a train that is headed down a set of tracks to somewhere, but nobody knows quite where yet.