Why are Americans deluded into thinking they could win a civil war?

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

 

Yes they are they're buying ammo to fight us,not that agents or cops compare to a WHOLE BUNCH of war vets.
Organization?
I was in the cav we don't use that, we just go do it and adapt along the way.
That's usually what you have to do anyway.Find the bad guys observe how they operate shoot at them and kill them as they chase you.
Cops and agents aren't trained like us,young hispanic boys,DHS trained wouldn't have a prayer in HELL of countering us.
Don't try us, just comply with the Constitution and do what you promised.
Nobody wants what we do done in CONUS.

I'm sure that, while people don't want the soldiers and vets to do their job here at home, they will eventually realize that it's preferable to being lined up in front of corpse-filled pits. This is, after all, the commie plan.

Bill Ayers, who has visited Obama in the white house over a dozen times, said in the 1970s that they would probably have to exterminate 25 million Americans in order to bring a communist government into power here in the USA.

reply to post by cavtrooper7


Amen brother, I dont believe many of us at all want to put the screws to these douche bags, I know I dont.

But that is the soldiers lot in life, please do not make us have to put the smack down, it will asperate severely, at an extreme gradient of negative pressure ( suck, for you laypersons) if a lot of us ever felt we had to fully utilize our skill sets for the purposes of fulfilling our sworn duty.

Btw, you are correct in your statement about adaping on the fly, as is known now and has been known by soldiers throughout all of time, " no plan of battle ever survives first contact with the enemy".

Thks isnt just words for any soldier that has ever served, it is a fact, without exception.

Personally, I think all these douche civies that are doing all this stuff really think their long laid, and slowly played plans will work, sadly they lack the real word experience that proves the rule is true.

We will adjust fire without notice, we will adapt to any environment or situation, we are able to suffer situations quite easily what they would consider torturous.

I have heard a lot of people mention the " warrior gene", I dont know maybe a lot of us have it, or maybe. I am just tough from my irish heritage and country upbringing. Whatever the case, I have always been able to deal, no matter the situation, no matter the depravity, or lack of adequate supplies or info.

Most that know me would describe me as being very smart, capable and skilled, quick of witt and sharp of tongue. Inever go looking trouble, but if their in the market, I am the guy to see, I have no qualms about finding out how determined they are to test my resolve. Or showing them error of thinking I was kidding when I told them exactly what I would do if they crossed the line.

Unfortunately, I find myself in a position right mow where I am torn, not just torn but done so at such an expanse that I feel it is next to impossible to reconcile my personal beliefs with the reality of the situation.

On the one hand, I can point to hundreds of instances of the .gov flat out wiping their brown eye with the law of the land, which I swore I would not stand for, and would if necessary to stop afore mentioned actions.

Yet I also recognize that "the people" are not me, and they may as a whole, think things are just fine.

If that be the case, I could not in good conscience, go against the will of the people, for my own selfish desires. Unfortunately, I know this to be false, as I talk to a lot of people, and rarely ever meet a person IRL that doesnt want things to change, in a manner that benefits the whole, not just the peeps at the top that already have more than enough, and in fact, deserve little if anything.

So I feel like baxk in the day, 4 mjnutes to toe the line in full battle rattle, when your in PT gear, and 3 minutes from the barracks at a full sprint.

The people demand change, they look to those they entrust with their safety to provide it, yet we are not able to give the people what they want. It isnt somthing that can be given, freedom isnt given, it is taken, by force if necessary, by those that demand it, not just those capable of accomplishing it.


In the end, this quote has haunted me, from the first time I read it, to this very day. I only hope I have mDe mine the strong, as the weak are always the losers.

" the strong did what they could, the weak suffered what they must." Please GOD, if you are real, let mine be the strong, better to die on ones feet fighting for whats right, than to live as slaves on their knees.

reply to post by 31Bravo

Man... I've heard that before. Sounds great in theory but earlier confrontations, I,E,. Civil War, both sides enjoyed comparable weapons tech. Not so today. Currently people are depended on all areas of the grid. Half live on Govt. programs and DARPA funding has guaranteed Govt. rock solid control of any possible scenarios.

reply to post by inverslyproportional

Hey dude, Sylvester Stallone used that gig in the eighties. At least pick another character and possibly one that is original.

Originally posted by dagann
reply to post by 31Bravo

 

Man... I've heard that before. Sounds great in theory but earlier confrontations, I,E,. Civil War, both sides enjoyed comparable weapons tech. Not so today. Currently people are depended on all areas of the grid. Half live on Govt. programs and DARPA funding has guaranteed Govt. rock solid control of any possible scenarios.

I hate to say it but that's loser talk. In the event of a full civil war not only would the nation be divided, but so would technological and civil assets.

I don't think that the people living on government programs would have any outcome on such a conflict anyway. They'd be merely dead weight.

reply to post by dagann


Wtf are you talking about? At what point did I quote or mention rambo?

Everything I have said is true, I know it is, I was there.

My job was 13-E cannon fire direction control specialist, I did basic at fort jackson, and artillery school at Alphatraz 2nd of the 80th field artillery school in lawton oklahoma, it is the only place in the entire world where my skill set is trained. One battallion, at one post, in one state, in one county, in this entire world.

Look it up, I will be waiting for you to retract your condescending tone. I am not tryi g to act like a hard ass across a key board, I am just really a hardass in everyday life apparently. I consider myself to be reserved and quite rational in my actions, I say what I mean, and do what I say. I know this is a rarity these days, but I am exactly the person IRL that I am on the net.

Some folks tell me I am a bit overbearing times, I just tell them they dont have anything in their lives tbey care enough about to get uppity when it is threatened. If someone threatens me IRL they better mean it, because when I tell a man he has 3 seconds to start apologizing or start swining, I am not in any way at all kidding. He has about 3 seconds to start apologising, or I am gonna teach a lesson their daddy should have.

A good old fashioned asswhoopin does wanders for ones priority order. I know, i have had a few attitude adjustments myself over the years.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by dagann

 

Wtf are you talking about? At what point did I quote or mention rambo?

Everything I have said is true, I know it is, I was there.

My job was 13-E cannon fire direction control specialist, I did basic at fort jackson, and artillery school at Alphatraz 2nd of the 80th field artillery school in lawton oklahoma, it is the only place in the entire world where my skill set is trained. One battallion, at one post, in one state, in one county, in this entire world.

Look it up, I will be waiting for you to retract your condescending tone. I am not tryi g to act like a hard ass across a key board, I am just really a hardass in everyday life apparently. I consider myself to be reserved and quite rational in my actions, I say what I mean, and do what I say. I know this is a rarity these days, but I am exactly the person IRL that I am on the net.

Some folks tell me I am a bit overbearing times, I just tell them they dont have anything in their lives tbey care enough about to get uppity when it is threatened. If someone threatens me IRL they better mean it, because when I tell a man he has 3 seconds to start apologizing or start swining, I am not in any way at all kidding. He has about 3 seconds to start apologising, or I am gonna teach a lesson their daddy should have.

A good old fashioned asswhoopin does wanders for ones priority order. I know, i have had a few attitude adjustments myself over the years.

Don't get worked up. The Commie's worst nightmare is America's veteran population. Why do you think they are working so hard to disarm vets?

It's a futile gesture, because any armed civilian will hand his first spare rifle to his veteran neighbor. Law or no, people know the score.

I guess this just mean the rest of us, those who haven't been through the VA system and thus been branded as a danger, have to keep a spare or three on hand for our friends and neighbors who did serve.

Except for the commies and radicals, the Americans of every color know who their buddies are.

reply to post by sajuek


Wolverines!

reply to post by HattoriHanzou


Exactly right, thats why I never registered or went to the VA. I knew a guy back in the 90s, he was a nam vet, and former hanoi hilton guest, one day he went to the VA, they kidnapped him for 3 months, when his wife got a judge to force his release, he was gone, the man that came back wasnt him.

His wife told me that when she went to see him a week after his abduction, he didnt even remeber her, she looked over his med charts and told me they had him on 6 different anti psychotics everyday for 3 months.

I knew this guy for years, yes about once every 2 or 3 years he would have a flashback during a bad thunderstorm, but he never freaked on us or anyone, he always acted like we were his unit, and we were about to get hit by the viet kong. He woukd always say the same lines, "wtf do you mean we cant get an extraction because we are in Cambdia? You ordered us to cross over hear and guaranteed extraction!" Followed by "well boys, we done went and pissed into the wind again" and " charlies watching us, hes always watching, we just have to watch back"

In short, I never liked the VA, I know too many vets, and have heard way too many horror stories, I just cant see that many vets bitching and whinning without cause.

reply to post by inverslyproportional


That's a really disturbing story.

My neighbor's a disabled veteran. He has had serious problems adjusting to normal life, and in fact he has had serious problems of all kinds. My wife and I try to be the best neighbors we can be. We feed him good home-made food, which he doesn't get enough of. He has serious problem with trusting people he doesn't know, which makes finding a job all but impossible.

The VA's solution has been to give him about 5 different drugs, all of which make him disconnected. I have tried numerous times to get him to understand that his drug regimen will never make him better, but that it is designed to keep him "about the same."

It's tough. He's told me several times that he doesn't want firearms around him because he's afraid that he'll commit suicide. He has said that he feels like he doesn't want to live much longer to his VA councilor, but their response is to just up his meds. This is where Uncle Sam leaves his soldiers when the fighting's done.

This makes me angrier than all the graft and greed and corruption in the system. Leaving a lone soldier behind.

reply to post by inverslyproportional


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reply to post by HattoriHanzou


Good for you, dont ever forget to watch out for your battle buddies, and they will never forget to watch out for you.

I think the actions of you and your wife are a true testament to the American soldiers heart, if only more would follow your example.

Good show.

reply to post by TheDevilWearsBlueShirts


Thanks for the link, I was talking about this the otherday, goad to have the link at hand to show my buddy, he didnt believe me.

I don't think the Progs get it.We DO NOT stop.Just like on this board we wear them down and kick their collective asses,because we are the LAST authorities on warfare. College won't teach you what it's like when bullets whizz by your head or Artillery rocks your track.Call of Duty is a toy not a real fight ,it doesn't mean anything.
Vets are like a huge family,we tend to trust each other more than others because we know just how bad it can get and we will deal with it...again.

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
I don't think the Progs get it.We DO NOT stop.Just like on this board we wear them down and kick their collective asses,because we are the LAST authorities on warfare. College won't teach you what it's like when bullets whizz by your head or Artillery rocks your track.Call of Duty is a toy not a real fight ,it doesn't mean anything.
Vets are like a huge family,we tend to trust each other more than others because we know just how bad it can get and we will deal with it...again.

ATS really needs to add a button where I could sacrifice my stars to award extra to a very good post.

I can only give you one star, but your words of wisdom are worth so much more.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

 

Good for you, dont ever forget to watch out for your battle buddies, and they will never forget to watch out for you.

I think the actions of you and your wife are a true testament to the American soldiers heart, if only more would follow your example.

Good show.

Oh I was never in the military. Just paying one forward.

I don't know about anyone else, but IMO a government could not win an all out war with it's own citzens.
Even with superior fire power and all the fancy weapons at their disposal; there are a few things which they do not have.
A determined populace would never surrender "completely". We have time on our side.
Numbers; a government could not recruit and replace the fallen soldiers fast enough to over power the rest of the country. Don't even think about a "draft". That could very easily put their weapons at the disposal of the citizens.
I could go on but no need to tell everyone the whole list of reasons which would never allow a government to survive if the general populace decided it's time had run out.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
reply to post by sajuek

 

...we could give many other examples but consider that there were no internment camps for those of German decent during WWII nor were there massive raids on Union farms...

Seriously? You're kidding me, right? Thousands of German Americans would disagree with your version of history.

Step one to denying ignorance: Googling.

I think it's interesting DHS is choosing Mexicans as its chosen recruits.I would guess they see them as a readily available supply of bodies to throw at us and yes,that is quite a disgusting thought on so many levels.However I would guess they want to forment a race war from it but I know hispanics aren't that stupid.
They tried the same thing in the 60s with black people and it didn't take for the same reasons.
I have to say this is one thing thing Obama is transparent about,he is too incompetent to run a conspiracy.
Don'cha just love revisionists and their view of history.
I can but laugh,On this very forum there was a suggestion WE BOMBED OURSELVES with vismod planes to get America into WWII.
I do think they knew it was going to happen but not using American planes.

Ladies/Gentlemen and Veterans of this thread. Do not ever expect a individual from another country to understand America. Most other countries gave up there rights looooooooooong ago and are salty that we have some sort of freedom still intact (Pending your idea of freedom / again interpretation) I've seen this thread progress daily and the vets are correct, it's impossible for them to win and we can debate this until the OP is blue in the face and done playing symantics with delusional words of doom and gloom. At best this title is wrong and if this happened this would not be a civil war, this would be a Revolutionary War. It's only after SHTF and the final straw is added to the camels back would any American Citizen engage in any acts of war because of the fact we enjoy our freedoms. If there is one thing us Americans do better than the rest.... IT'S WAR!!! No video games. WAR is what we do and very well. For better or worse we are not the power's that be and make the calls that send us over seas. WE ARE THE MILITIA that will stand tall when that time comes. Be it 2hrs from now or another 15years. Delusion is telling yourself that this is not possible. I say crawl back in that box and hide when SHTF and let the big boys go protect your freedoms.

And I am officially withdrawn from this Anti American Deuded Rhetoric Thread. Good day and god speed soldiers~