The UK'S slave class, page 2


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reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 04:26 PM by skalla
Originally posted by werewolf99
reply to post by AndyMayhew


Is racism against white people such a shock to you. You should remember that in parts of the UK we are a minority in our own country. In the world at large we are a very small population indeed.


facepalm.

which parts of the uk, please be specific.

and dont just say "my street" or "nextdoor"... judging by this and your other thread going on right now, you are having one seriously grouchy saturday.

and by grouchy i do mean xenophobic. actually, sorry, racist - oh yes, according to you that means rich people screwing everyone else or what ever gumph you wrote earlier.

have a beer and get over it


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 04:36 PM by skalla
Originally posted by werewolf99
reply to post by AndyMayhew


Completely wrong there are even associations in the UK that only have entry to black members. There are black photographers societies...... All illegal under the UK race relations bill. Any person more likely to get anything because of race is illegal. This means that in the UK the MOBOS are ilegal (music of black origin). However this is ignored and never enforced.


MOBOs:
www.everyhit.com...

of black *origin* eg blues, jazz, hip hop etc

check the list..

the very totally african jamie cullum, justin timberlake, christina aguilera, tim westwood, norah jones, nitin sawhney, eminem, santana, all saints, another level......and thats only a few years worth

rather mainstream and bland maybe, rascist tho? get over yourself
edit on 23-2-2013 by skalla because: clarity etc



reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 04:45 PM by colin42
I found an article on slavery which may help this thread move on

Slavery On The Plantation

The whole thing is very pertinent to this threads OP but here are a couple of tasters
The White plantation owners used various methods to maintain complete control over their slaves. Their principal method was that of "divide and rule".
and
Another means of control was the creation of a class system among the slaves.
Pretty much what we see today in my opinion and the argument growing here about black and white is a sure sign the divide and rule ploy is still an effective ploy to control the slaves.

The reason why we see slaves with their heads bowed is so they don't look up and see their oppressors


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 04:51 PM by grainofsand
reply to post by colin42

Well stop bowing your head and walk tall.
I don't buy into this slave BS, I chase whatever path I want to at any given point in my life, I am not unique, just someone who recognises my opportunities. Stop being a victim and take control people, it's your life, you control it.


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 05:04 PM by colin42
Originally posted by grainofsand
reply to post by colin42

Well stop bowing your head and walk tall.
I don't buy into this slave BS, I chase whatever path I want to at any given point in my life, I am not unique, just someone who recognises my opportunities. Stop being a victim and take control people, it's your life, you control it.

You are a really quick reader and obviously read the article I linked to. The post you are replying to was about getting back to the OP not talking about white/black issues or how very good you are.

There are many parallels with slavery and our society. You don’t know me so on what do you base your unfounded opinion that I am a victim?

Your 'take control' statement shows naivety as even the Queen does not have control of her life. So the choice is yours to discuss the OP as you have now already told us you are the man, your job is done.


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 05:07 PM by Dispo
reply to post by werewolf99


Interestingly, the queen and the royal family also has to endure indentured servitude.

Class issues exist and are extremely prevalent in the UK, yes, but social mobility is at an all time high.


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 05:19 PM by colin42
Originally posted by Dispo
reply to post by werewolf99


Interestingly, the queen and the royal family also has to endure indentured servitude.

Class issues exist and are extremely prevalent in the UK, yes, but social mobility is at an all time high.
Yes and much of it downwards.


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 05:23 PM by Dispo
reply to post by colin42


Not really, middle class is the new thing. Middle class used to be the preserve of the civil service and police, now thanks to Thatcher the working class have been decimated and the middle class have thrived.

Whether that's a good thing or not is a completely different issue.


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 05:40 PM by skalla
Originally posted by werewolf99
What part of the UK are you from? It does seem there are quite a few Americans who get their view of the UK from films. Well the obvious part of the Uk where white people are a minority is Birmingham.

As for my assumed background. I will say that I do have a degree. And a number of other higher educations qualifications. I have won an award, authored several books, am about to play on a cd.....


haha

i was born about 8 miles from birmingham, went to senior school there and have also worked there for a few years - i have only spent about 5 or 6 of about 40 years living outside of the west mids. in the rest of that time, always within 10 miles of brum, ayit.

some stats for you

In 2007, it was estimated[15] 33.3% of Birmingham's population was non-white, whereas London, commonly seen as the most diverse of British cities was 30.4% non-white. This is compared to Liverpool which was only 7.7% non-white. However, there are some smaller towns with larger non-white populations, such as Dewsbury, Batley, or Nelson.

At the time of the 2001 census, 70.4% of the population was White (including 3.22% Irish & 1.49% Other White), 19.5% British Asian, 6.1% Black or Black British, 0.52% Chinese, 2.9% of mixed race and 0.63% of other ethnic heritage.[16] 16.5% of the population was born outside the United Kingdom and 13.42% (131,091) was born outside of the European Union.[17
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en.wikipedia.org...

and just in case, before you bang on about religion...
Nearly 60% of the City residents identify themselves as Christian, 14% Muslim, 3% Sikh and
2% Hindu. 12% of residents do not have a religion and 8% of residents did not answer the
new, voluntary, religion question.


(from brum's 2001 census report, via the council website)

bostin


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 05:52 PM by colin42
reply to post by grainofsand


Cries of slavery for the average citizen in the UK smacks of victim to me.
What part of parallels between slavery and our society do you not understand?

My job will only be done when I decide it is. I am happy in my current self employment, when I wish to change it I will.
Not quite true is it. You may have that job taken away whether you chose it or not. You do not control either your market or your clients/customers. Ultimately it is their choice not yours.

Life is a long time and we have many opportunities in the UK to do whatever we want.
Really. Another statement that is not true. Yes there are opportunities but do whatever you want? Not close.

Breaking our hearts crying about how difficult things are has never been my strategy.
Mine neither but what has that to do with the OP?

Why are you seemingly frightened to consider there may be parallels between slavery and our society that would be worthy of discussion?


reply posted on 23-2-2013 @ 09:12 PM by colin42
reply to post by grainofsand
What a pity. It seems you cannot get past your inflated ego and seem determined to argue rather than discuss.

Here is something else you cannot control. Bye.


reply posted on 24-2-2013 @ 02:45 AM by grainofsand
Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by grainofsand
What a pity. It seems you cannot get past your inflated ego and seem determined to argue rather than discuss.

Here is something else you cannot control. Bye.


Oh dear, that old 'ego' chestnut again. It's amazing how often that gets wheeled out here on ATS but is mildly amusing as it indicates a failure to stick to the issues at hand.
If it is egotistical to assert that I am in control of much of my own destiny through my life choices and perseverance then I'm happy to accept the charge. If it is egotistical to assert that the average UK citizen is more able than the majority of people in the world to achieve their dreams then again, guilty as charged.

No-one is totally free from 'control' by another in any society, but in the UK we have some of the greatest opportunities to achieve almost anything through our own hard work and initiative.
If you wish to consider yourself a slave in this society then that is your choice, I consider myself relatively free and in control of everything I have achieved so far in life. I am slave only to my own choices.
I offer my sincere pity towards your personal perception of slavery in the UK, I'm pretty sure many millions of people from hell hole countries around the world would love to live in your definition of such enslavement.

Good day and enjoy the rest of your weekend in slavery
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