I find it very funny that everytime someone tries to prove this theory wrong they get bashed as an "idiot". Seriously, it is always the same thing , "idiot". An idiot is someone who can believe almost 9 million different species somehow became from one microorganism. Not to mention, the species are so incredibly different. Now, if all animals, and plants, looked relatively similar, you may have a case.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

If...and that is a BIG IF...a GOD does exist then the evidence points to such a GOD using Evolution....NOT spontanious Creation.

Yes IF there is a god.

Again read what I said carefully.

IF god is real then he created evolution. I am agreeing with you.

This thread = Creationists suggesting:
"New scientific research clearly shows how creationism is right and science is wrong"

Can we do anything but laugh? Are they purposely being dishonest or do they really not have a clue?


If you cared about how stuff works you would at least try to learn basic science..
To not do that is to shun your own god's creation. What do you expect to learn about nature in church??

How can you ever understand anything useful about the world we live in when you wont accept the best known way to diagnose reality... science .. ?

Its disrespectful to this very site to allow ignorance to flourish like you do.

Originally posted by colin42

A blow to evolution - Gene Regulation

or you could have had the title

Another Triumph for Science - Gene Regulation

It is science that discovered this and science that looks for the evidence to explain it and yet again expands our knowledge and uncovers more questions that need to be answered.

The day I will agree with you that science is a religion and its discoveries are a faith is when it says it has all the answers and writes a book for all to follow without question

In our current DNA structure, we have two visible strands, which are called backbone DNA, but all the other 10 strands are present…According to Esoteric teachings, the first two strands are called "Physical DNA" and , the other ten strands are called "Spiritual DNA." These esoteric writings state that by "activating" this 'dormant DNA in time you will also be given "access" to the secrets and mysteries of which you are and what your life-purpose is. It is the same apostate message being preached as "God's sperma and seed" residing in all humanity that simply needs to be activated. Now, add to that the President of Iran's last UN speech whereby he declared (paraphrasing) that his Imam Mahdi and 'Jesus Christ' will shortly come to "revert" the children of Adam back to their innate nature by opening the gates of science and (esoteric) knowledge paving the way for divine bliss to enter the world. In a nutshell, they believe that we have both a divine side and human side and that humanity has merely ignored this 'truth'.
Look at the supposed secular ScienceDaily website and look at the logo. It's esoterically branded in blue and red signally this belief that man is divine and human. The little white circle signifies occult 'illumination'. Knowing this, the " news" which it pushes for your consumption has an occult purpose, and that is to provide evidence of the truthfulness of what it preaches.
It's got a captive audience in that we have been indoctrinated to trust science as our truth teller and to believe in things if they can be measured or experienced. What is a major downside? These science foundations are funded by the same groups of people. With knowing the occult beliefs above, the "evidence" is being presented which will lead you into agreement with them. Why? Because you know no other truth. They, in essence, are proving a lie and you'd never know any different.

Science can be truth. But science falsely called seeks to provide the "proof" of their pre-existing beliefs. Those that fund these science foundations have an agenda, and to that end the "scientific studies" which they prioritise and fund are to provide the "evidence" which proves that their beliefs were correct all along. When the MSM are owned by these same groups, we can then determine how the information which purports to establish the truthfulness of their writings gets "airtime" and everything else gets buried. It's like them showing the Grand canyon as proof of the millions of years required for eath processes whilst never discussing the huge canyons formed in the southeast today from a small steam that started in a farmers field a mere 150+ years ago or the massive canyon formed during Mt. Saint Helen's. And if anyone does mention these, all they say is that the soil is different which silences 99.9% of the population because they couldn't prove it otherwise.

Science today is buried. It is controlled by those in the money and in control. Nothing is brought to your attention that does not fit with what they need you to believe. Science falsely called is a mere puppet for occultism because it is their vehicle to provide the "evidence" which you have been indoctrinated to require before you'll believe anything. Please don't underestimate the wickedness of men with agendas. They don't hesitate to kill, start wars and blow up skyscrapers, so they certainly have zero conscience to refrain from lying and deceiving.

Originally posted by edmc^2
Back to my question - are viruses living things?

Depends who you ask. There's no universally accepted definition of life.

Originally posted by edmc^2
If not - how do these "things" adapt to their host?

Natural selection.

Originally posted by edmc^2
How did the first virus "got" its DNA/RNA if it's not a living thing?

What do you suppose was the first virus? Are you aware that viruses are not a monophyletic group? Some viruses have over 1,000 genes (and might have once been free-living microorganisms) whereas others have just a few genes. Summa summarum, there's more than one answer to your question.

Originally posted by rhinoceros

Originally posted by edmc^2
Back to my question - are viruses living things?

Depends who you ask. There's no universally accepted definition of life.

Originally posted by edmc^2
If not - how do these "things" adapt to their host?

Natural selection.

Originally posted by edmc^2
How did the first virus "got" its DNA/RNA if it's not a living thing?

What do you suppose was the first virus? Are you aware that viruses are not a monophyletic group? Some viruses have over 1,000 genes (and might have once been free-living microorganisms) whereas others have just a few genes. Summa summarum, there's more than one answer to your question.

So are you implying virus came first as a "free-living microorganism" then followed by the single celled organism?

If so - was this virus then the first organism?

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
If we were designed by a creator I'd still like to know who designed the creator. If it's not possible for amazingly complex things to naturally evolve over time then we must conclude that something else created the creator. Saying that complex things must always be designed and can't arise naturally is a paradox... because then you are forced to say the creator couldn't have possibly arisen naturally. At the end of the day, the ONLY possible conclusion that one may reach is that given enough time even the most absurdly unlikely events will occur. It doesn't matter how unlikely those events are, they will eventually occur. And when extremely rare things like sentient life pops up they think "man there's no way we got here naturally".

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At the end of the day - the facts remain there are things that are beyond man's ability to understand yet they pose no problem in accepting them.

And just because we can't understand them - like the existence of an uncreated Creator doesn't mean that He doesn't exist. It only means that we don't have the ability, the capability to process the data.

Case in point:

Black Hole/Event Horizon - where the gravity is so strong that even light can't escape its pull. We don't know what it is yet we accept that it exist.

Electromagnetism
Weak Force
Strong Force
Nuclear Force
Gravity



We seem to know what they are and know what they can do but we don't really have an accurate understanding of how they came to be. Did these forces always existed or were they created? No one really can (at least in the scientific community) give an accurate answer yet we have no problem accepting them.

Add to it:
Invisibility
Infinity
Time


So to excuse the existence of a Creator just because we can't fathom the meaning of uncreated is closing ones eyes to the fact.