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think what really frightens me is how in no press nor online will anyone in America raise the issues of the disabled.. It is as if they do not exist.I take tht sielnce to mean our govts plan to let them die or make their orad harder.. I'd like to hear how some of you with knowledge actually think folks with disabilities can protect themselves..
Communities have been decimated by a purposeful effort to dismantle them by all kinds of means, tactics and efforts. But that's for another thread. Millions of people are so lost that reality for them is "me me me"
Originally posted by fleabit
i would last approximately 1-3 years...max, on my own with all the above, fully prepped, in a societal meltdown. you wont last as long as me
Huh.. that makes me curious how humanity ever got to this point then, as our historic ancestors lived quite happily and grew and spread.. having many less tools at their disposal.
You don't give humans enough credit for surviving. That is one they are good at.. surviving. Saying someone with supposedly every survival skill imaginable wouldn't last more than 1 to 3 years is ridiculous.
Originally posted by auto73912621
reply to post by sirbadazz
I get it... you don't like that people are stupid and think they are getting prepared, even when they're not.
But as far as "not being able to live off the land" for more than a year or so even in the greatest circumstances. Two words.
Ted #ing Kaczynski
and he was a very young school teacher with no prior training and simply the desire to live on his own.
Originally posted by aem56
Likewise, we have few examples of roughing it without the luxury of "running to town" to supplement our way of life when "camping". Or even as the OP did, experimentally "bugging out". There is the knowledge that there is a civilization to go back to, worst come to worst. So there is a lack of real world experience of knowing that,
"this is it". This type of mental insecurity of unknowns is not within even the pervue of "homeless" people now.
Originally posted by sirbadazz
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Don't plants have carbs?
Try coming up here to Alaska. The Inuits up here eat seal, whale, caribou and salmon all winter. I'm not sure where they get their carbs from, as they can't grow anything (permafrost).
People used to (and still do) live in simply log cabins, completley off grid with little to no assistance from the outside world.
When you're living like that, your full-time, 12+ hour a day job is preparing all day, all summer for the coming winter.
You're right though about isolation. It will drive you crazy. This is why the lock people up alone that are really, really bad. We are naturally social creatures.
And I too laugh at "survivalists".
most greens dont have carbs, fruits have simple carbs. animal fat with dried meat and vitamin C are a complete food source when supplimented with seasonal foods that tribes had knowlege of, but not long term.
but dont forget, the inuit ARE A COMMUNITY. the division of labor and protocals for sharing as well as technologies for survival are ancient and ingrained.
my small point here is that if banishment from the tribe is a death sentence to a pre-western contact indian [native american], then it is also a death sentence for a fool with city skills, or even the guys on tv with survival skills. the lone indian HAD full eco-knowlege and would still die when banished. even 'ishi' lived only a few years alone and was at death when he hit white culture [read 'ishi' - the last wild native american's bio]
human need comunities to survive. rural areas will survive with their current communities. bug outs dont work.
if we need communities to survive, then survivalists should acknowlege they have a community already, their country and their countrymen. instead of bugging out to die, WORK NOW TO SAVE YOUR COUNTRY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. its every warrior's responsibility to take care of earth and each other for a fututre for our children. rant done. debate on peeps.
Originally posted by jimmiec
It would be far better for your community to assess each drifter and decide if they can contribute to your community and stay or simply nudge them off of your property. Your community is doomed if they all believe what you are saying.
Originally posted by gymbeau2000
As long as it's not someone in my pack, sorry you are just another resource to me. Be it your ammo, supplies or the meat on your bones.