Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by sacgamer25
I am making the claim that the bible is a history book that has been protected by God from corruption.
God has protected it from corruption? Yet people use modern translations. Modern translations are rife with mistranslations. Or do you deny
This is incorrect, although some people debate the accuracy of some modern interpretations because some words have been interpreted slightly
differently. There are a couple of debatable concepts that appear to be slightly skewed in favor of religion but for the most part all translations
say the exact same thing.
Quite honestly it says. Your father loves you, you know he wanted you because he created you. Accept his love and choose to live with him. Your
father is love and can only exist in love. When you choose sin over love your father has to leave you, because he is love. Because he is love you
know that he will always return to you, when you turn to him. Love keeps no record of wrongdoing and God is love. If you can believe in him and
through the power of God overcome sin you will know him. In this life, today.
2 Corinthians 6:1-2
As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 For he says,
“In the time of my favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.”
I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.
You see the promise of the freedom from sin and salvation is for all men "today". Every single day is a good day to turn to God for help. Every day
is a good day to choose to love over all other choices. Today is always a good day to be saved.
Every single translation says the same thing. Salvation comes to those who believe the moment they believe it. The moment one believes in their
salvation, the moment one believes that they are a son/daughter of God, the moment one believes in repentance and complete forgiveness of sin, the
moment one accepts that they can overcome sin "like Christ", When all of these things are real the Holy Spirit comes and you are born again. This is
what every translation says. Not one of them has this wrong.
but hopefully it will open your eyes to the possibility of a biblical past completely different than your history books and science books
What I never understood from the religious, is the propensity to use science to support the Bible in one breath and then completely bash and
dismiss science in the other.
I have a sorta off the wall question: how old do you think the Moon is?
Not very old and there is "real science", you know the "scientific method" science that can be repeated by anyone. Here is a link.
I am not bashing science. I am simply stating that evolution as it pertains to speciation is not a fact, it is an assumption. I am telling the
truth, the truth should not be considered a bash. What you are doing is bashing.
You are unwilling to believe that I could have found God in the bible, which is precisely where I found him. The problem you are having is you don't
believe me and you think that is my problem. But you not believing me is not my problem it is only your problem. I have no problem with you whether
you believe me or not.
Really all I am asking is what point that I make are you arguing against. You are arguing against the bible but I bring you an interpretation that
you could not have heard. I know you haven’t heard it because you can't google it and you make assumptions about me and others that proves what you
If you are here to win a debate I am sorry but you have already lost because you refuse to accept that I tell you the truth. You are arguing against
my truth, that does not make it any less my truth. I am clearly presenting myself as someone who Christ lives in. You say this can't be. It is fine
for you to say I don't believe you, but you actually think it ok to question my faith and say that it can't be?
What harm does my faith cause you? Am I attacking you or condemning you for not believing me? Have I subjected you to judgment as you assumed that I
would? I am here to share my testimony. Do you know what the word testimony means? It means I am here to tell the truth about something, I am going
to testify to the truth. Jesus Christ lives in me and has given me an understanding of the bible that eliminates all contradictions and judgment.
Even religion can be eliminated if people would simply believe in the truth.
Anyone who accepts Evolution at this current time in our understanding as a process that leads from a single cell to man is believing in the
atheistic view of religion.
There are plenty of Christians that believe in evolution. Believe the Universe and its 'natural laws' were part of the 'intelligent design'.
Plenty.... or are they just not 'real Christians' then?
But still a religion none the less.
Atheism is not a religion. It means no belief in any gods, that's it.
Here is the definition of religion.
1. beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in
the universe and human life
2. system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
3. personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by
4. obsession: an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by
Atheism fits the definition of religion.
Creation and evolution are both attempts to explain devine involvement or lack their of. Both are organized and Evolution is the science of atheism.
Maybe some Christians believe in Evolution but no Athiests believe in Creation. So Evolution is the atheistic belief, thus it is part of their
religion. Religion defined by natural laws is still religion.
What atheist do with their religion is the same thing Christians, Jews and Islamist do with their religion. Argue, point fingers, and sit in judgment
of each other. I will leave all of you to religion and I will believe that God loves everyone equally thank you.
It is the absence of God from our naturalistic atheist views that lead to a society where anything and everything is tolerable.
So you believe atheists and non-religious are immoral?
I believe that we are all immoral. Meaning we all do the things we know we shouldn't. Things we do hurt other people. We are all immoral. What I
am saying is the further you remove yourself from accountability the more immoral you become.
Look at today's teenager being raised free from accountability. The girls at my daughter's high school were debating her their right to use abortion
as a form of birth control. I am not pro/against abortion, but I am most definitely against abortion as a form of birth control, and so is my
daughter thank God.
Do you get it abstinences isn’t even the debate any more? How much further away from Morals do we need to get before we wake up?
25-2-2013 by sacgamer25 because: (no reason given)