Why I believe the bible

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by sacgamer25

 

Maybe it is time for Eve to stop following Adam. Adam has asked Eve to do detestable things to satisfy his evil desires. Adam has forced Eve into giving away her sexuality prematurely, pornography, strip clubs, and prostitution. All of these things happen and you think women are better off today?

Maybe that's because in its early days, Christianity impressed upon its followers the importance of men ruling over women. So if you've got complaints about men corrupting women, you know where to start.

Religious people have taught men to impose their will on women. The bible does not and I do not believe in religion.

reply to post by sacgamer25

Religious people have taught men to impose their will on women. The bible does not and I do not believe in religion.

Genesis 3:16 -- ...Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you...

1 Corinthians 11:3 -- ...the head of the woman is man...

1 Corinth. 14:34 -- ...women... must be in submission...

Ephesians 5:22 -- Wives, submit to your husbands..

Do you even know what you're talking about?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Men in the bible and the stories of what they did contradict our morals. But how can you say that destroying detestable behavior by war is against our laws. We continue to this day to do this even though Jesus came to bring a new covenant of peace, we refuse to acknowledge.

Christians are actually fighting for the right to own hand guns. Really? Christ said turn the other cheek and trust in God's will for your life. Owning a gun is the exact opposite, you have no intention of turning the other cheek. Do we really need to debate if we are more moral than the men in the bible? Clearly we are not.

David accepted the death of his first born as punishment from God for having an affair with a married women then having her husband killed in war. He did not find God's punishment undeserving for his sin. Today we take no responsibility for ourselves and say anything and everything is natural. Are you sure we got it right when half the country is taking some kind of pill because they can't stand being alive? They will search after death but it will not find them.

The world today may be a better place than religion made it, but it is most certainly not a better place than the bible imagines we could live in.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by sacgamer25

 

Religious people have taught men to impose their will on women. The bible does not and I do not believe in religion.

Genesis 3:16 -- ...Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you...

1 Corinthians 11:3 -- ...the head of the woman is man...

1 Corinth. 14:34 -- ...women... must be in submission...

Ephesians 5:22 -- Wives, submit to your husbands..

Do you even know what you're talking about?

Yes I do.

Let me try to explain. All of those verses say the same thing. The husband's role is to be the spiritual leader and physical protector of his family. The husband's role is to serve his wife whom has been instructed to obey the authority that was naturally given to him. It is not hard to see that men were made the more physically dominate.

The problem is we have looked at the world through this physical dominance and decided that to rule over is similar to physical dominance. Although women may be attracted to physically dominate men they typically don't want to be dominated unless it is in passion.

Women want to be nurtured, taken care of, and protected where as the husband also fills the father role but in a more emotionally connected way than the biological father. Women want to be served, but they have been reduced to servant. It may even be said that women will have a hard time giving their love to anyone who does not put them first.

This is why we need the bible. It explains where the disconnect happened, but was not revealed until Christ. The disconnect has always been Adam, because Eve was born to love and chase after Adam.

Most women believe that finding the right Adam is the path to happiness. And they would be right but someone first needs to teach Adam how to be Adam. As long as Adam is going to rule over Eve as her King and not her servant he will not find love in his home. And Eve will be left empty, searching for something to fill the void that Adam cannot.

It is unfair to look at only the women's role without respect to the corresponding role of men. God gave men more physical power, but if we truly want to find love, we better learn how to serve Eve. For how can we serve God who we can't see if we can’t even serve Eve, who we committed the rest of our lives to in marriage.

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The Bible isn't even close to necessary for leading a positive lifestyle.

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Are my questions going to be answered?

You're not obligated of course just curious.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Witness123

 

It is because people rejected faith that there was a lack of progress.

Faith doesn't make the world go round. If everyone stopped having faith, I assure you, the world would spin on and nothing would be different except the planet would be covered in depressed idiots who refuse to believe in their own power.

When you mention the helplessness of man, or man who tries to act helpless. God living through us takes us away from the things which once bound us,

I don't think so. When I watch Stephen King's Carrie, I see more repression and isolation than in the average atheist. Why do atheists live such glowing lives? How can that be possible? They should be suffering plagues and maladies, right? They should be suffering his wrath.

He reinvigorates us to face life challenges that otherwise we would have faltered in. And at times we will falter anyway, but we continue aspiring to that perfect state, where we will not.

Actually, I do that myself. I don't need a god. I put on my big boy pants and get s*** done. Should I buy you a pair for your birthday? Sounds like you need a new one.

edit on 23-2-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

That's an intellectually comfortable notion to go with the physical comforts of the Western nation you likely are posting from. Too bad you will have to learn the hard way and have all that philosophy shattered. I'm here to tell you right now that things won't always be like this and then when it comes down to it, you will have to decide if your philosophy was sufficient after all.

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So in other words HELL. Yes your subtle language was not so subtle.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Witness123

 

So in other words HELL. Yes your subtle language was not so subtle.

Aww, look, another smartass trying to pigeonhole someone they hardly know. Let me tell you something sissy, I don't even believe in Hell and I'll be the first to say that there is no biblical support for it. Of course this man won't burn in Hell. No, he gets another form of insufferable joy here on earth, just like you and me and everyone else.

Let me go ahead and share with you that I am not orthodox in virtually any sense of the word. A lot of Christians want to jump down my throat when I show them the lunacy of hellfire. It's too bad I also have ignorant atheists jump down my throat because they assume falsely that I believe in all the stupidities and insanities that other Christians believe.

precatholicfaith.blogspot.com...

Why don't you read this and see that we're probably not so different after all.

reply to post by Witness123

Aww, look, another smartass trying to pigeonhole someone they hardly know. Let me tell you something sissy, I don't even believe in Hell and I'll be the first to say that there is no biblical support for it.

So if I understand this correctly. I misspoke about you because I don't know you well enough to of made the post I did? Yet you knowing absolutely nothing about me gives you the right to call me a "sissy"?.... Okay

Resorting to personal attacks is a tell tail sign of giving up on an actual intellectual discourse. Again, not so subtle

Please refrain from personal attacks and stick to attacking the posts themselves.

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reply to post by Witness123

Aww, look, another smartass trying to pigeonhole someone they hardly know. Let me tell you something sissy, I don't even believe in Hell and I'll be the first to say that there is no biblical support for it. Of course this man won't burn in Hell. No, he gets another form of insufferable joy here on earth, just like you and me and everyone else.

Wow. That was an entirely inappropriate post. I don't know who you think you are, but not only is your behavior unacceptable by ATS standards, but you are also very much mistaken.

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
(Psalm 9:17)

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
(Luke 12:5)

Your crude and crass manner is completely unnecessary, given your accuracy in the subject (or lack thereof).

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Witness123

 

Aww, look, another smartass trying to pigeonhole someone they hardly know. Let me tell you something sissy, I don't even believe in Hell and I'll be the first to say that there is no biblical support for it. Of course this man won't burn in Hell. No, he gets another form of insufferable joy here on earth, just like you and me and everyone else.

Wow. That was an entirely inappropriate post. I don't know who you think you are, but not only is your behavior unacceptable by ATS standards, but you are also very much mistaken.

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
(Psalm 9:17)

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
(Luke 12:5)

Your crude and crass manner is completely unnecessary, given your accuracy in the subject (or lack thereof).

edit on 24-2-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

What made you such an expert on a book you have such a low comprehension of? Do you know what Gehenna is and that hell is not a place of fire but of final rest? That is biblical. Psalm 9:17 speaks nothing to a place of eternal conscious torment. Surely you can see that, though I know you are so ignorant and prefer to see what yu want.

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Let me guess?..........you like fairy tales?..........or a good long drawn out story?...........or you are a blind faith stupid fool?...........or just maybe your legs are failing you?

Whats the difference between toilet paper and the pages of a bible?...................this might be testing so take your time...................................thats right.....its....you got it.........INK!

Thats why most people dont believe in it!

It's sad to see that people are actually reaching this low just to take stab at God.

The reason most people do not believe in it is because they have pushed the Holy Spirit far away from themselves. They are so full of hate for the Lord that they can do nothing but come up with rants that read like something a small child would come up with.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12(KJV)
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

reply to post by jeramie

It's sad to see that people are actually reaching this low just to take stab at God.

The reason most people do not believe in it is because they have pushed the Holy Spirit far away from themselves. They are so full of hate for the Lord that they can do nothing but come up with rants that read like something a small child would come up with.

I suspect I am not the only one when I say this - I do not believe in the Judaic god, not because I hate him, but because he hates me for who I am. I don't want forgiveness for being a flawed individual. I don't want salvation from that which makes me beautiful. I do believe that my imperfections have just as much to do with my value as a person as my virtues. My imperfections let me understand that which is imperfect, and my vices help me to understand that which is prey to vice.

I don't want forgiveness for that. I want understanding, compassion, and support. I don't want a blue print, I want a compass to use when I feel I need to. I don't want anything forced upon me, and I don't want to be punished for choosing my own sense of destiny.

Hate as nothing to do with it. Wanting to be myself has everything to do with it.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Your correct. But the values found in Christ are priceless.

reply to post by Witness123

That's an intellectually comfortable notion to go with the physical comforts of the Western nation you likely are posting from. Too bad you will have to learn the hard way and have all that philosophy shattered. I'm here to tell you right now that things won't always be like this and then when it comes down to it, you will have to decide if your philosophy was sufficient after all.

Being from a western nation has nothing to do with it. A lot of my ideas come from eastern nations. Please explain to me how my ideas are wrong in your perspective.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

reply to post by sacgamer25

 

I am making the claim that the bible is a history book that has been protected by God from corruption.

God has protected it from corruption? Yet people use modern translations. Modern translations are rife with mistranslations. Or do you deny this?

This is incorrect, although some people debate the accuracy of some modern interpretations because some words have been interpreted slightly differently. There are a couple of debatable concepts that appear to be slightly skewed in favor of religion but for the most part all translations say the exact same thing.

Quite honestly it says. Your father loves you, you know he wanted you because he created you. Accept his love and choose to live with him. Your father is love and can only exist in love. When you choose sin over love your father has to leave you, because he is love. Because he is love you know that he will always return to you, when you turn to him. Love keeps no record of wrongdoing and God is love. If you can believe in him and through the power of God overcome sin you will know him. In this life, today.

2 Corinthians 6:1-2
As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 For he says,
“In the time of my favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.”
I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.

You see the promise of the freedom from sin and salvation is for all men "today". Every single day is a good day to turn to God for help. Every day is a good day to choose to love over all other choices. Today is always a good day to be saved.

Every single translation says the same thing. Salvation comes to those who believe the moment they believe it. The moment one believes in their salvation, the moment one believes that they are a son/daughter of God, the moment one believes in repentance and complete forgiveness of sin, the moment one accepts that they can overcome sin "like Christ", When all of these things are real the Holy Spirit comes and you are born again. This is what every translation says. Not one of them has this wrong.

but hopefully it will open your eyes to the possibility of a biblical past completely different than your history books and science books suggest.

What I never understood from the religious, is the propensity to use science to support the Bible in one breath and then completely bash and dismiss science in the other.

I have a sorta off the wall question: how old do you think the Moon is?

Not very old and there is "real science", you know the "scientific method" science that can be repeated by anyone. Here is a link.

www.earthage.org... Moon:

I am not bashing science. I am simply stating that evolution as it pertains to speciation is not a fact, it is an assumption. I am telling the truth, the truth should not be considered a bash. What you are doing is bashing.

You are unwilling to believe that I could have found God in the bible, which is precisely where I found him. The problem you are having is you don't believe me and you think that is my problem. But you not believing me is not my problem it is only your problem. I have no problem with you whether you believe me or not.

Really all I am asking is what point that I make are you arguing against. You are arguing against the bible but I bring you an interpretation that you could not have heard. I know you haven’t heard it because you can't google it and you make assumptions about me and others that proves what you believe.

If you are here to win a debate I am sorry but you have already lost because you refuse to accept that I tell you the truth. You are arguing against my truth, that does not make it any less my truth. I am clearly presenting myself as someone who Christ lives in. You say this can't be. It is fine for you to say I don't believe you, but you actually think it ok to question my faith and say that it can't be?

What harm does my faith cause you? Am I attacking you or condemning you for not believing me? Have I subjected you to judgment as you assumed that I would? I am here to share my testimony. Do you know what the word testimony means? It means I am here to tell the truth about something, I am going to testify to the truth. Jesus Christ lives in me and has given me an understanding of the bible that eliminates all contradictions and judgment. Even religion can be eliminated if people would simply believe in the truth.

Anyone who accepts Evolution at this current time in our understanding as a process that leads from a single cell to man is believing in the atheistic view of religion.

There are plenty of Christians that believe in evolution. Believe the Universe and its 'natural laws' were part of the 'intelligent design'. Plenty.... or are they just not 'real Christians' then?

But still a religion none the less.

Atheism is not a religion. It means no belief in any gods, that's it.

Here is the definition of religion.

1. beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
2. system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
3. personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by
4. obsession: an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by

Atheism fits the definition of religion.

Creation and evolution are both attempts to explain devine involvement or lack their of. Both are organized and Evolution is the science of atheism.

Maybe some Christians believe in Evolution but no Athiests believe in Creation. So Evolution is the atheistic belief, thus it is part of their religion. Religion defined by natural laws is still religion.

What atheist do with their religion is the same thing Christians, Jews and Islamist do with their religion. Argue, point fingers, and sit in judgment of each other. I will leave all of you to religion and I will believe that God loves everyone equally thank you.

It is the absence of God from our naturalistic atheist views that lead to a society where anything and everything is tolerable.

So you believe atheists and non-religious are immoral?

I believe that we are all immoral. Meaning we all do the things we know we shouldn't. Things we do hurt other people. We are all immoral. What I am saying is the further you remove yourself from accountability the more immoral you become.

Look at today's teenager being raised free from accountability. The girls at my daughter's high school were debating her their right to use abortion as a form of birth control. I am not pro/against abortion, but I am most definitely against abortion as a form of birth control, and so is my daughter thank God.

Do you get it abstinences isn’t even the debate any more? How much further away from Morals do we need to get before we wake up?

reply to post by sacgamer25

Quite honestly it says. Your father loves you, you know he wanted you because he created you. Accept his love and choose to live with him. Your father is love and can only exist in love. When you choose sin over love your father has to leave you, because he is love. Because he is love you know that he will always return to you, when you turn to him. Love keeps no record of wrongdoing and God is love. If you can believe in him and through the power of God overcome sin you will know him. In this life, today.

Ah...but terms and conditions may, can, and will apply. There is fine print all around, in between, over, under, behind, and embedded in every single bit of what you just posted. Exceptions and conditions galore.