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posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Ever wonder WHY the Bible has been attacked all throughout History more than any other book?


Because J.K. Rowling didn't claim that Harry Potter was a real person. That series was a better read anyway.



Satan hates God, he hates God’s people and he especially HATES God's word because GOD wrote it and because it is true and it changes lives.


Oh, please. Don't even try to suggest that I'm under the influence of a supernatural being.

That circular argument picture was meant for you too.




Satan= adversary.. very simple but confusing to man




posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 06:31 PM
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While I say it is simply the same painter using the same brush that brought forth all creation. The fact that we look and function so differently but are so much the same proves both intelligence in design and points to only one artist.

Remember you're not arguing for the existence of God. You're arguing the Bible is 100% the Word of God.


For those of you who believe in religious conspiracy put in place by governments to control the masses.

The Bible (and a Church) was formed by the Roman Empire to control the growing 'Christian' population. You read their book. Its conspiracy has since evolved.


I am making the claim that the bible is a history book that has been protected by God from corruption.

God has protected it from corruption? Yet people use modern translations. Modern translations are rife with mistranslations. Or do you deny this?


but hopefully it will open your eyes to the possibility of a biblical past completely different than your history books and science books suggest.

What I never understood from the religious, is the propensity to use science to support the Bible in one breath and then completely bash and dismiss science in the other.

I have a sorta off the wall question: how old do you think the Moon is?


Anyone who accepts Evolution at this current time in our understanding as a process that leads from a cingle cell to man is believing in the atheistic view of religion.

There are plenty of Christians that believe in evolution. Believe the Universe and its 'natural laws' were part of the 'intelligent design'. Plenty.... or are they just not 'real Christians' then?


But still a religion none the less.

Atheism is not a religion. It means no belief in any gods, that's it.


It is the absence of God from our naturalistic atheist views that lead to a society where anything and everything is tolerable.

So you believe atheists and non-religious are immoral?


When I started investigating the bible I first listened to the entire thing on CD. It was a great love story indeed.

The death of children, rape, slavery and genocide, was a great love story? Even Twilight was a better love story.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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Maybe it's none of my business, but pulling a person's posts apart and isolating sections for comment, is a debate tactic to alter the overall contextual frame of reference, however subtly. Such people also insist on always being the one who asks the question, another effective tactic, but that's all it is is a tactic to "win" the debate.



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 06:41 PM
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Maybe it's none of my business, but pulling a person's posts apart and isolating sections for comment, is a debate tactic to alter the overall contextual frame of reference, however subtly.

You are invited with full support on my part to point out where I took things out of context.


Such people also insist on always being the one who asks the question, another effective tactic, but that's all it is is a tactic to "win" the debate.

Any of you can ask me questions. I am open to exchanging thoughts and ideas. Go ahead give it a try.

As for "winning the debate". I am sorry, did you read the OP? The topic is the assertion he is 100% right and others are 100% wrong. If that's not a debate about winning I don't know what is...........



posted on Feb, 22 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
...Maybe it's none of my business, but pulling a person's posts apart and isolating sections for comment, is a debate tactic to alter the overall contextual frame of reference, however subtly. Such people also insist on always being the one who asks the question, another effective tactic, but that's all it is is a tactic to "win" the debate.

Hmmm... Maybe it's none of my business (knowing Lucid Lunacy can speak for themself adequately), but your quoted statements are rife with presumption and inaccuracy. They may be ample explanation for how/why "you" would use such a maneuver/tactic, but...that does not mean the same reasoning applies to all.
Nonetheless - what was your reason for choosing the "tactic" of attacking another's "tactic" ---?
To "win" a point or two in the debate ---?
Fair enough.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Scientific theories that contradict the Bible have far more evidence to support their validity than your Bible does. Additionally...


"Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate." - Kurt Wise, Harvard geologist


en.wikipedia.org...

Not to mention this little thing:

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First you must understand that sophistry is common in the church because few are willing to question arguments from authority. Your jpg doesn't disprove the Bible, it just exposes the sophistry used to support it.

On scientific theories seemingly opposed to Scripture, I don't think any legitimate theory based in fact can be opposed to Scriptures because the Bible does very little discussion of the sciences to begin with. I think we have leeway in answering scientific questions that the Bible makes no attempt to explain.

If, on the off chance, you are actually arguing that the only basis of an evangelical to cling to the notion of the inspiration of Scriptures is by using the circular logic of your jpg, then that would be incorrect. I am a Christian and I have debates with all the time over the sophistry they use to back up their beliefs. I am also willing to go a step further and debate with you why there are other arguments that are not illogical for a firm foundation in faith. Basically, if we're going to use sophistry, I have advice on that, yours and theirs are to flimsy to even deserve such a distinction.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 02:07 AM
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Because the story of love is one all can see but it is the story of Death and Judgment that those who are in sin see. This is the way the bible was written. For the earthly man he will read until his eyes bleed and be no closer to the truth than before he opened the book. If then he goes to church he will be taken even further away from the truth.

The true love story is only revealed to those who are seeking God with all their heart, with all their love. It is only when you begin to do the things that Christ said can the key to scripture be found. Once unlocked it becomes more powerful in love than it ever could have power to control. Because to be controlled by God is to be controlled by Love. Being controlled by man is anything but love.

You quite honestly have to be "ready" to pursue love with everything you are. You must die to yourself and be reborn in love. The natural world teaches control is bad, the spiritual world teaches to be controlled by love is life. Anything less is death, because the light of the world is love, the word is love, the first born over all creation is love. The love, the light, Genesis 1:3 "let there be light", Christ, Jesus, Emanuel (god with us).

I emphasized "ready" to help those that are not ready understand that it is time to pursue. God will let you know when you're ready. He will never give you more than you can understand or less than you need. All you have to do is ask and he will give you more, when you are ready. It is up to you to pursue, it is up to God to decide when you are ready. No man knows the time or hour, not even the son.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 02:09 AM
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^^^
WOW
Blessed are those who..^^^^ write such explanations



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 06:11 AM
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The reason I believe deep down NO ONE really believes the Bible is the real word of God is the way people cherry-pick which verses are metaphorical and which are straight forward.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by mymymy
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The reason I believe deep down NO ONE really believes the Bible is the real word of God is the way people cherry-pick which verses are metaphorical and which are straight forward.


Thank you for this post mymymy. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who knows this. In fact, I have done a little work on this area myself and I call it Interpretolatry.

precatholicfaith.blogspot.com/2013/02/interpretolatry.html

Feel free to send me a message over the forums if you would like, if the forum does indeed have such a system which I cannot confirm. But better yet, reach me from this site above.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 09:32 AM
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Man is utterly depraved, he is deluded with the thought of his own divinity and infallibility and outside of a personal relationship with the Savior Christ is on a path to complete destruction.


This is a line from Witness's blog. Witness, I don't agree with you either. Mankind spends far too much time pretending to be helpless and trying to think of ways to avoid dealing with problems instead of just taking care of business.

Maybe if we forgot about gods and saviors entirely, we'd get more done. As it is, we spend all of our time waiting and very little of our time actually making progress.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Because the story of love is one all can see but it is the story of Death and Judgment that those who are in sin see.


I believe you see what you want to see. The difference between you and me is that I opened the Bible without any expectations whatsoever, just to see what it was all about. Curiosity was my motivation. Nothing more.

And that, I think, is why I'm not so willing to just slap the label of "love" on any atrocity that this godly being commits. Killing your children is not love. Condemning them to eternal torment is not love. I despise the Bible because everyone loves it, but they seem to forget how it contradicts every single standard we uphold today.

Every line proclaiming women to be the servants of men. Today, we have women's rights.
Every line proclaiming the execution of citizens for the most ridiculous infraction. Today, we have civil rights.
Every line demanding that certain races and sects be tortured/shunned/killed. Today, we have laws against discrimination.
Every line demanding that we give our souls to one particular being. One solitary king. Today, we march in the streets if there's so much as a threat of oppressing our freedom to speak.
Every line condoning rape and murder in the name of love. Today, we'd scream for blood if a man or woman so much as slapped their kid in public.

The Bible contradicts every value and right we hold dear. Benjamin Franklin, Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Tesla, all of our greatest minds denied the Judaic god for the standards he thrust upon us. I don't know what else to say. What is your definition of love? How do you show love? Because if that's your impression of love, then please, commit yourself to a mental ward. We already have more psychopathic zealots than is really healthy for any one nation.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Man is utterly depraved, he is deluded with the thought of his own divinity and infallibility and outside of a personal relationship with the Savior Christ is on a path to complete destruction.


This is a line from Witness's blog. Witness, I don't agree with you either. Mankind spends far too much time pretending to be helpless and trying to think of ways to avoid dealing with problems instead of just taking care of business.

Maybe if we forgot about gods and saviors entirely, we'd get more done. As it is, we spend all of our time waiting and very little of our time actually making progress.


It is because people rejected faith that there was a lack of progress. They rejected noble disciplines such as philosophy and logic and this may far-out, but they also rejected liberal education. The men that the organizers and controllers have produced through Deweyist and Rockfellerist socialist machinations are ill-equipped to face the harsh realities of life without a coddling government to nurture them and it went all according to plan.

At the heart of all these conspirings and plottings was skepticism. An inherent belief that man was divine, or that some of them were, and who else but the one who thought it? When you look at the lives, the depravity of Skinner and Freud and some of these great psychologists and theorists, can you see that the people who fell into the trap were simply ill equipped and ill-informed to see it for what it was?

Even today inner-city blacks argue with their Democratic representatives over school vouchers, because at the heart of many of America's problems is a lack of quality education. Then look at the success some Christians have in homeschooling their children. They're better prepared for college, do better on college entrance exams, maintain stronger grades.

There is a lot of room for Christians to move forward, and skeptics, I agree with you. But these problems we have today are a lot of times due to a lack of faith.

When you mention the helplessness of man, or man who tries to act helpless. God living through us takes us away from the things which once bound us, He reinvigorates us to face life challenges that otherwise we would have faltered in. And at times we will falter anyway, but we continue aspiring to that perfect state, where we will not.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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It is because people rejected faith that there was a lack of progress.


Faith doesn't make the world go round. If everyone stopped having faith, I assure you, the world would spin on and nothing would be different except the planet would be covered in depressed idiots who refuse to believe in their own power.


When you mention the helplessness of man, or man who tries to act helpless. God living through us takes us away from the things which once bound us,


I don't think so. When I watch Stephen King's Carrie, I see more repression and isolation than in the average atheist. Why do atheists live such glowing lives? How can that be possible? They should be suffering plagues and maladies, right? They should be suffering his wrath.



He reinvigorates us to face life challenges that otherwise we would have faltered in. And at times we will falter anyway, but we continue aspiring to that perfect state, where we will not.


Actually, I do that myself. I don't need a god. I put on my big boy pants and get s*** done. Should I buy you a pair for your birthday? Sounds like you need a new one.



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posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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I believe almost the whole bible should be taken literally. There are obvious cases, like in the case of Isaiah, Daniel and Revelation that you know it is to be taken metaphorically. The more literal one takes the message the clearer the message becomes. The church teaches many contradictions because they have taken so many verses out of context that they have lost the truth.

They have created a religion where no religion was the right path. Christ came to unify all men; religion cannot because it can only cause separation. Christ's message is about stop judging others and start doing the one thing you are intended to do. Love one another. It matters little what you believe beyond love, as long as you pursue love. Christ is the light of this world, the light of this world is love. God is also light, therefore he is also love. They are one in love.

You can only become one with love through love. This is what we were born to do, become one with love. But not in some future life, in this life right now. Today is and always will be a good day to turn back to God.

I do not cherry pick what I believe. I do not have issue with the few meaningless verses that have been supposedly changed so dramatically that one can no longer find the truth. There are some concepts that are slightly misrepresented in some interpretations but the message that we are here to love one another is clear. The message that we show our love through service and turning the other cheek to conflict with our family, friends, and neighbors, and yes even our enemies.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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It seems like you simply want to condemn any man who claims to have a personal spiritual relationship with God. Why is it that I have to be the one delusional? People have been making the claim that they have reached a spiritual enlightenment that encompasses the full essence of love, for thousands of years.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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It seems like you simply want to condemn any man who claims to have a personal spiritual relationship with God. Why is it that I have to be the one delusional? People have been making the claim that they have reached a spiritual enlightenment that encompasses the full essence of love, for thousands of years.


No, I'm not condemning anyone. I do, however, disapprove of any relationship that inherently involves the suppression of one for the gain of the other. I understand that it's an individual's choice, but when thousands of individual's make that choice and encourage others to follow, the mentality of the entire world suffers for it.

I believe in self-empowerment. You believe in obeisance and containment. I believe in developing our own power. You believe in sacrificing every potentially dangerous aspect of the human condition in order to appease a higher form of power. I believe these aspects can be utilized to increase the value of our character, and you believe such ideas are blasphemous.

By "you", I mean traditional Christians. People who adhere to every word of the Bible. It's not that I don't believe in it, so much that I don't care about it. Even if it were proven to be incontrovertibly accurate, I would defy it because I believe that in this day and age, the philosophies contained therein are a short term solution that hold a long term defeat.

That's my stance in this matter. I don't condemn anyone, but I feel a twinge when I recognize the potential repercussions of their refusal to accept their own power.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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You can believe what you like. I know many people have an issue with the OT, I don't. Instead of condemning God I actually listened to the bible. All of the people that the Israelites were driving out by God's authority were doing things detestable to God.


Proverbs 6:16-19

16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.


So you know that they must have been committing at least one of the above sins to be considered detestable.

Generational curses are handed down to their offspring by the traditions they teach their kids. If you teach a child that we owe everything to Molech and we must sacrifice our first born children in the fire to him to be prosperous, this is precisely what the child will grow up to believe. This would be the reason for completely destroying everything from that society. They had become poised by their corruption and their penalty is death by a sword. Just as God saved lot, if there had been even one righteous person he would not have done it, just as he promised.

The Israelites themselves did many detestable things recorded in the bible as well. And when they did the spirit of God was against them. When they sinned they were given over to slavery by God, when they repented they could come back into God's love. The same is true today. When we sin we are a slave to that addiction, only when we turn to God in love will God be with us so that we can overcome the addiction.

The law of the OT was given to man because man's refusal to walk in the light. The OT is about men who wanted an earthly king and Kingdome. The punishment for sin has always been death. The path to overcome sin was not fully revealed until Christ. And then the path was practically destroyed by the RCC during the inquisition.

Women rights? The bible actually teaches women to ask for women's rights. What women have achieved is the right to be equal to a male. The problem is they never actually fought for women's rights. If we turn to the bible the bible says wives have the right to be served by men. A girl's virginity was sacred, she was served her whole life.

Yes women's role is to be placed on a thrown and completely to be served by the men in her life. Her husband should be humble enough to build her a thrown and wash her feat with his hands while she sits back on her thrown. The bible instructs men to love their wives as themselves and to serve them as Christ served the church. And yes women, if your husband builds you a thrown and washes your feet, then I imagine that you could trust him enough to be in charge of your love.

So maybe it's time we stop talking about how horrible women in the bible had it. Maybe it is time for women to fight for their virginity? Maybe it is time for them to fight to be sought after like God's most beautiful creation? Maybe it is time for them to demand that men serve them.?

The bible says God made man in his own image both male and female. He tells us he pulled women out of man. Therefore he said he created the first man Adam as both male and female like himself/herself. God is both male and female. Eve you are not just equal to Adam you are quite literally his other half.

This is why you become united in marriage. This is why you need to start asking for the "women's rights" and stop looking for "men's rights". Our rights our inherently different by nature. A man is more suited for labor of work and cannot produce children. Women are more suited for the labor of childbirth. Men are better at handing down the harder discipline, while women are better at handing out compassionate discipline.

Over 50% of American women are depressed. It is time that we all fight for women's rights. Let's teach our little girls to value themselves and to protect their virginity. Are our teenagers learning anything positive by having multiple sex partners before they turn 18 much less before they marry?

Maybe it is time for Eve to stop following Adam. Adam has asked Eve to do detestable things to satisfy his evil desires. Adam has forced Eve into giving away her sexuality prematurely, pornography, strip clubs, and prostitution. All of these things happen and you think women are better off today?

The bible places Eve on a pedestal equal to that of the church. Adam isn't it time we do the same, just like the bible tells us to?



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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Maybe it is time for Eve to stop following Adam. Adam has asked Eve to do detestable things to satisfy his evil desires. Adam has forced Eve into giving away her sexuality prematurely, pornography, strip clubs, and prostitution. All of these things happen and you think women are better off today?


Maybe that's because in its early days, Christianity impressed upon its followers the importance of men ruling over women. So if you've got complaints about men corrupting women, you know where to start.


Women rights? The bible actually teaches women to ask for women's rights. What women have achieved is the right to be equal to a male. The problem is they never actually fought for women's rights. If we turn to the bible the bible says wives have the right to be served by men. A girl's virginity was sacred, she was served her whole life.


Supporting scripture, please. And I noticed how you ignored all of my other examples.
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posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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The power one perceives they have in self is meaningless compared to the power one can find in love. You reject this because you reject the notion that God is love. I once too was like you but I have found a way that leads the soul to peace. I no longer struggle for or against power. Because all power is in me because love is in me.





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