Astronaut Edgar Mitchell - Witness Testimony

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What the heck.... For those of us who are on Ancient work computers or even on dial up, can you put some words of what he's talking about? Is he stating he believes in Aliens??? That would be a smart deductiong given the Forum this is under and he is a Astronaut~ What are your thoughts? Do you believe him? Do you think he's coocoo for coco puffs?

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I can't star and flag something that is just a video.

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"Very short of saying we have validated in the public domain that they are ET craft."

"Yes there has been ET intervention."

"Weather balloons over Roswell is disinformation"

I think that Dr. Edgar Mitchell is an incredibly brave and complex man. I believe that he witnessed things personally that he is prohibited from speaking about. He has offered his opinions and insight in the past, but says it is based on second hand information. I am not calling him a liar, as I said, I think that he is an incredible American. I just don't think the Astronauts are allowed to tell what they know. Mitchell is also, quite curiously, from Roswell, NM. Some of his insights are based on those conversations.

If you take, in aggregate, what we have heard from the astronauts, in one obscured form or another, is that the UfO and alien phenomena are very real. In particular, the words of Gordon Cooper. Perhaps the "non-disclosure" was not as great for the Apollo predecessors, because Cooper gave the goods on several occasions. He even witnessed a landing saucer.

Back to Mitchell, he is quite simply one of my biggest heroes. For his openness, honesty, bravery, and steadfastness on these subjects. I am a huge fan.

"If there are ETs at all"...

Originally posted by Jchristopher5
I think that Dr. Edgar Mitchell is an incredibly brave and complex man. I believe that he witnessed things personally that he is prohibited from speaking about. He has offered his opinions and insight in the past, but says it is based on second hand information. I am not calling him a liar, as I said, I think that he is an incredible American. I just don't think the Astronauts are allowed to tell what they know. Mitchell is also, quite curiously, from Roswell, NM. Some of his insights are based on those conversations.

If you take, in aggregate, what we have heard from the astronauts, in one obscured form or another, is that the UfO and alien phenomena are very real. In particular, the words of Gordon Cooper. Perhaps the "non-disclosure" was not as great for the Apollo predecessors, because Cooper gave the goods on several occasions. He even witnessed a landing saucer.

Back to Mitchell, he is quite simply one of my biggest heroes. For his openness, honesty, bravery, and steadfastness on these subjects. I am a huge fan.

We do have some common ground. We both believe Mitchell is telling the truth -- and we disagree in that I believe he is telling the WHOLE truth -- about his conclusions re UFOs. People did tell him Roswell stories. He does believe those stories. Those are facts. How they relate to the authenticity of the Roswell story is not clear.

He also is clear that he has never had a personal UFO experience, and he states he is unaware of any other astronaut during his duty there, having one in space. You choose to disbelieve him here, because you seem to prefer your own opinions over his.

As to Cooper having seen a landed saucer, that's an old story that has some fundamental problems with it. One of the two camera operators that his autobiography say worked for him told me explicitly [in a letter] that he had no idea Cooper was even at the base at the time of this incident [i.e., the cameramen did NOT work for him or show HIM their film]. The two witnesses describe merely a slow fly-past of a scintillating light whose nature remains in dispute -- but it never landed, say the witnesses. The event was written up as a Blue Book case and has always been available from the National archives, with the film.

Most problematically of all, that specific case was one investigated deeply by pioneering ufologist Dr. McDonald and was described in detail in his 1968 Congressional testimony. There is no landing mentioned, and no Gordon Cooper mentioned. But this seems to be a pattern with a lot of Cooper's later-in-life stories he told about space and UFOs.

By a bizarre coincidence, Mitchell trained with cooper on the Apollo-10 [moon landing dry run] backup crew in 1968-9, before Cooper was removed from flight status for inadequate performance standards. I have approached Dr. Mitchell for any recollection of what Cooper may have told him about UFOs and he has graciously [as he always is] declined to disclose the nature and substance of any such conversations for the sake of Cooper's reputation. I am puzzled about that.

Mitchell, of course, is well known for his championing ESP studies at the Noetic Institute, and I'm glad there are imaginative people like him crossing the edge of the unknown on such phenomena. We have a congenial personal relationship, and he is aware that I do not agree with his conclusions of the bold private ESP experiment he ran an Apollo-14. But at least I read and studied his paper. By the way, as a 'huge fan', have you seen it?

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SCOTT CARPENTER

"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."

UFO SIGHTINGS BY ASTRONAUTS


GORDON COOPER

One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.


Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes. Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs." "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."


And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."

DONALD SLAYTON

Donald Slayton, a Mercury astronaut, revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951: "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

ROBERT WHITE

On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15. Major White reported: "I have no idea what it could be. It was grayish in color and about thirty to forty feet away." Then according to a Time Magazine article, Major White exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!"

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But surely until Mitchell and others come out in mass and spill the beans bigtime all the efforts relative to disclosure and getting Congressional support are doomed to continue to fail the people and obscure the truth!

Why cant congressional support be obtain to expose the truth?

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Why was this directed at me? My comment was about Mitchell's seemingly contradictory statements within a single interview - the one in the OP.

And I'm pretty sure I've seen most everything on that list debunked or disavowed, but don't have the time right now to dig it all up again. I'm sure someone else will have done so by the time I do, though.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by Jchristopher5
I think that Dr. Edgar Mitchell is an incredibly brave and complex man. I believe that he witnessed things personally that he is prohibited from speaking about. He has offered his opinions and insight in the past, but says it is based on second hand information. I am not calling him a liar, as I said, I think that he is an incredible American. I just don't think the Astronauts are allowed to tell what they know. Mitchell is also, quite curiously, from Roswell, NM. Some of his insights are based on those conversations.

If you take, in aggregate, what we have heard from the astronauts, in one obscured form or another, is that the UfO and alien phenomena are very real. In particular, the words of Gordon Cooper. Perhaps the "non-disclosure" was not as great for the Apollo predecessors, because Cooper gave the goods on several occasions. He even witnessed a landing saucer.

Back to Mitchell, he is quite simply one of my biggest heroes. For his openness, honesty, bravery, and steadfastness on these subjects. I am a huge fan.

We do have some common ground. We both believe Mitchell is telling the truth -- and we disagree in that I believe he is telling the WHOLE truth -- about his conclusions re UFOs. People did tell him Roswell stories. He does believe those stories. Those are facts. How they relate to the authenticity of the Roswell story is not clear.

He also is clear that he has never had a personal UFO experience, and he states he is unaware of any other astronaut during his duty there, having one in space. You choose to disbelieve him here, because you seem to prefer your own opinions over his.

As to Cooper having seen a landed saucer, that's an old story that has some fundamental problems with it. One of the two camera operators that his autobiography say worked for him told me explicitly [in a letter] that he had no idea Cooper was even at the base at the time of this incident [i.e., the cameramen did NOT work for him or show HIM their film]. The two witnesses describe merely a slow fly-past of a scintillating light whose nature remains in dispute -- but it never landed, say the witnesses. The event was written up as a Blue Book case and has always been available from the National archives, with the film.

Most problematically of all, that specific case was one investigated deeply by pioneering ufologist Dr. McDonald and was described in detail in his 1968 Congressional testimony. There is no landing mentioned, and no Gordon Cooper mentioned. But this seems to be a pattern with a lot of Cooper's later-in-life stories he told about space and UFOs.

By a bizarre coincidence, Mitchell trained with cooper on the Apollo-10 [moon landing dry run] backup crew in 1968-9, before Cooper was removed from flight status for inadequate performance standards. I have approached Dr. Mitchell for any recollection of what Cooper may have told him about UFOs and he has graciously [as he always is] declined to disclose the nature and substance of any such conversations for the sake of Cooper's reputation. I am puzzled about that.

Mitchell, of course, is well known for his championing ESP studies at the Noetic Institute, and I'm glad there are imaginative people like him crossing the edge of the unknown on such phenomena. We have a congenial personal relationship, and he is aware that I do not agree with his conclusions of the bold private ESP experiment he ran an Apollo-14. But at least I read and studied his paper. By the way, as a 'huge fan', have you seen it?

Thank you for your perspective. You have had personal interaction with Dr. Mitchell, so I appreciate your comments.

Posted above (post by spiritialarchitect) are comments for others in NASA. I have seen these before and remember comments like "at no point were we ever alone", which sends chills up my spine. I just can't ignore even one expert testimony from astronauts and others in NASA. But, there are so many accounts which seem to indicate that we have definitely been tracked and watched on our missions. There seems to be enough evidence that you could actually prove it in a court of law, beyond a shadow of doubt.

Yet, we still seem to be debating the mystery. We should be adding "what the heck is it or who are they", rather than do they/it exist. The answer seems to be clearly YES.

Lately, I will read the ESP paper that you mentioned. As a "big fan" that is only right. I agree.

Been done before... here's one such thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Jchristopher5
I think that Dr. Edgar Mitchell is an incredibly brave and complex man. I believe that he witnessed things personally that he is prohibited from speaking about. He has offered his opinions and insight in the past, but says it is based on second hand information. I am not calling him a liar, as I said, I think that he is an incredible American. I just don't think the Astronauts are allowed to tell what they know. Mitchell is also, quite curiously, from Roswell, NM. Some of his insights are based on those conversations.

If you take, in aggregate, what we have heard from the astronauts, in one obscured form or another, is that the UfO and alien phenomena are very real. In particular, the words of Gordon Cooper. Perhaps the "non-disclosure" was not as great for the Apollo predecessors, because Cooper gave the goods on several occasions. He even witnessed a landing saucer.

Back to Mitchell, he is quite simply one of my biggest heroes. For his openness, honesty, bravery, and steadfastness on these subjects. I am a huge fan.

I definitely believe there is some type of gag-order in place for all NASA astronauts preventing them from talking about any anomalies or UFO encountered during missions. It's interesting Edgar Mitchell flat out denies everything when asked about stuff he may have seen during active NASA days but then turns around and says Roswell happened, aliens are here, etc. You can't fault the astronauts for not talking if breaking NDA meant loss of family benefits, pension, estate, etc. Family comes first.

Great speak

Well that was interesting. Been waiting for that Generation to start talking about what they know and stop fearing the Gub...Of course that is why there is death-bed confessions.

Originally posted by sulaw
What the heck.... For those of us who are on Ancient work computers or even on dial up, can you put some words of what he's talking about? Is he stating he believes in Aliens??? That would be a smart deductiong given the Forum this is under and he is a Astronaut~ What are your thoughts? Do you believe him? Do you think he's coocoo for coco puffs?

Please advise, I'm growing weary of threaders not putting effort into there work.

I can't star and flag something that is just a video.

Switch on the captions in english!

To add, you may still have to interpret the silly words.

Originally posted by Jchristopher5
Posted above (post by spiritialarchitect) are comments for others in NASA. I have seen these before and remember comments like "at no point were we ever alone", which sends chills up my spine. I just can't ignore even one expert testimony from astronauts and others in NASA. But, there are so many accounts which seem to indicate that we have definitely been tracked and watched on our missions. There seems to be enough evidence that you could actually prove it in a court of law, beyond a shadow of doubt.

J, I believe you have been misinformed, and you have not been sufficiently diligent in verifying these unusual claims. My own investigations [involving follow-ups to original sources] indicate to me that these quotes are for the most part entirely bogus by authors and bloggers, sometimes simply misrepresented events, rarely of anything realistic about space flight. There is so much garble and noise that seeing any 'signal' behind the avalanche [and I'm quite open to the idea that such a signal is possible] has become impossible.

As long as this mass of fabrications, matched by the audience's eager gullibility, is the dominent cultural theme in this subject, I think it's vain to hope for any better understanding of these phenomena.

I think the potential value of plausible extraordinary stimuli demands that we all get a lot more rigorous in our rules of evidence. Because we might really be missing something.

Originally posted by PINGi14
I definitely believe there is some type of gag-order in place for all NASA astronauts preventing them from talking about any anomalies or UFO encountered during missions. It's interesting Edgar Mitchell flat out denies everything when asked about stuff he may have seen during active NASA days but then turns around and says Roswell happened, aliens are here, etc. You can't fault the astronauts for not talking if breaking NDA meant loss of family benefits, pension, estate, etc. Family comes first.

Don't you recognize this as the cure-all 'get-out-of-reality-free' magic card that the REAL myth-makers and sincere misunderstanders always play to trump first-hand eyewitness testimony?

If it's true, how is ANY of this stuff getting out there, or staying on-line?

Please consider the alternate, and simpler, and less insulting to the supposed 'witnesses', explanation: the mass of myths about 'astronauts and UFOs' may be a decades-in-the-making cultural construct of outsiders wanting to create pseudo-evidence for their own beliefs, or to gain influence, glee, and value from a target audience -- the enthusiasts.

Originally posted by abeverage
Well that was interesting. Been waiting for that Generation to start talking about what they know and stop fearing the Gub...Of course that is why there is death-bed confessions.

Thing is, Dr Mitchell has been talking about this for many a year, so did the late Gordon Cooper, as did the late Phil Schneider. The message is quite clear, while he may not be allowed to be specific, (he hints at that at one stage) the rest of us should be under no allusion that disinformation exists, (in this case the subject of ET UFO's) and will continue to exist, and that we should not be put off by the disinfo agents, wherever they may be. It's up to us to separate the chaff from the wheat. By his definition then, ET UFO's exist no matter what.

That does not mean we should grasp at every straw, and that everything we see, (especially on internet video) is something intelligently controlled ET, perhaps especially now, when the pranksters are as capable as the disinfo agents.

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by abeverage
Well that was interesting. Been waiting for that Generation to start talking about what they know and stop fearing the Gub...Of course that is why there is death-bed confessions.

Thing is, Dr Mitchell has been talking about this for many a year, so did the late Gordon Cooper, as did the late Phil Schneider. The message is quite clear, while he may not be allowed to be specific, (he hints at that at one stage) the rest of us should be under no allusion that disinformation exists, (in this case the subject of ET UFO's) and will continue to exist, and that we should not be put off by the disinfo agents, wherever they may be. It's up to us to separate the chaff from the wheat. By his definition then, ET UFO's exist no matter what.

That does not mean we should grasp at every straw, and that everything we see, (especially on internet video) is something intelligently controlled ET, perhaps especially now, when the pranksters are as capable as the disinfo agents.

Gordon was one of the First I remember but, then it seemed like he had a stroke or something so I had a harder time believing it. However Neil Armstrong's little announcement of the Monolith on Phobos. Pretty much convinced me they know stuff but were testing the waters to see the public's reaction.