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posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 09:23 AM
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Let the enlightened beings battle it so as to have new God to worship
, this thread should be titled Clash of the Titans watching Dragon and Cryptic trying to outshine each other,




posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Dragonfly79

Originally posted by backcase
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what is an effective meditation which can be used the enlightenment of which you speak?


I could make a list of techniques which will all bring one to enlightenment but the correct question should be, "what is the most effective technique so that I can reach enlightenment the fastest" in which case the answer would be to isolate oneself materially and spiritually and not come out until one is convinced enlightenment has been reached. As for the most effective technique for Backcase, I don't know the man or woman so I can't say.

But if you want to do what I did you need to read a lot of books on all religions, play a lot of videogames, watch a lot of movies and go through public schools while also maintaining a fulltime job. It's very important one has earned the things used to reach enlightenment. One should also keep all social activities to an absolute minimum, basically becoming a hermit inside society as much as possible.


What is required to reach a state of enlightenment? Devices, perspectives, exercise, books, etc.?


Just your body, food, a steady source of income and a bed and a roof should be sufficient. An internet connection would speed up things significantly as one can quickly and easily look up anything.


In my opinion, the advice you (Dragonfly79) are giving away in this thread, especially the advice above is nonsense. I do not doubt your intentions, but the ideas, advice and approach you have towards 'enlightenment' are not helpful, I would even go as far as to say it is dangerous.

I am not usually so harsh with my words when talking about somebody else's path, ideas or thoughts etc, but the above is just so far gone that what you have written is worse than saying nothing at all...

Of course, this is just my opinion and may seem like nonsense to you, but I beg anybody reading what you have written to just think about what you are being told here....'play lots of video games, withdraw from society, become a hermit, watch lots of movies, look for the fastest route to enlightenment'....please, think for a while, does this sound like the advice you should be seeking to reach 'enlightenment'?

Gnobody



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by InhaleExhale
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Let the enlightened beings battle it so as to have new God to worship
, this thread should be titled Clash of the Titans watching Dragon and Cryptic trying to outshine each other,



Lets just hope that they don't outshine each other so much that it blinds the people reading this thread...



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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I like your idea.

And it has a dual meaning, as above so below.

Storing our treasures in heaven.

Manifesting a place for us to meet and collaborate.

This has already been done.

When I read your words, I see wisdom, but I also see a bit of arrogance, which is created from attachment, which is created from not dissolving the illusion of separation completely. Remember, just because you go into the dark alone to come to know yourself, doesn't mean you were ever actually alone, but rather you just asked everyone to be silent for a moment.

I am with you, and you are with me.

edit on 17-4-2013 by preludefanguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Gnobody
So, is your 'enlightenment' complete or never ending, or both?


Existence is never ending, it's the same thing but in different forms, just like horses and carriages became cars and spaceshuttles. My knowledge of all those forms is incomplete yet but the basis is which enables me to understand everything known. The unknown is something different as one needs to have a question or starting point but from that basis I can view the unknown and translate it to something known eventually down to the last part of any given subject.

Some subjects require more time and willingness to understand than others to translate so others can verify my claim the way it should. Meaning I would require not only money but also the latest technology as an interface to the psyche or soul to manifest proof which would be difficult to refute. I only need my own brain to understand this but for others to understand would also take a giant leap of faith most are not willing to undertake.



I'm confused, who is enlightned here? You, or the two beings you are talking to?


Many are but I lack the experience to talk to others in a more appealing manner while those I referred to have centuries of experience. And even they refer to other beings if the consequences of the question would affect many beings. To be superfluous I owe them a lot even if I only observed them and gained insights which also goes for all those 'non' enlightened who all produced a piece of the puzzle for everyone interested to investigate and learn from.


Surely, if you had attained 'complete' or even 'never ending enlightenment', you would not need to ask anybody anything...you would know, no?
Gnobody


I have my own theory but not sure if it is the same as yours. Basically I could leave my physical body and join others in paradise, I could even go back from there and visit people in their dreams and teach them how to control themselves in their dreamstate or create a mental construction to work on their own soul and later on others.

Currently I don't do that even though I would want to but I feel I should do some work first as once I have chosen to go I cannot return or get another physical body as I don't believe in rebirth/reincarnation or possession/channeling. Don't mistake what I just wrote for physical suicide, I'm against that but can understand anyone who would.

Why I would need to ask anyone is because of the society I was born in, which also enabled me to make my claim. This society is one of specialists, even though I would not have to ask permission or anything to any shop holder when I do my groceries and I can get my own groceries even scan and then pay for them myself in some automated shops, I would still be asking the owner for food and the owner would ask me to buy food at his or her place in exchange for money. Even if there was only one shop, it would still be the same deal. The same goes for my home, I just can't go out and chop a few trees and claim the land for myself, I would have to ask others. And that goes for everything really, school, work, friendships, relationships, in such a way we all affect one another.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by preludefanguy
This has already been done.


Not in the way I meant it. I believe you are referring to already established faiths. It would equate to everybody knowing where one heavens ends and the others' begins, the same for the different hells and who owns what and has the final say in decisions. If it were an immaterial network, every heaven and hell had their own local subnet and it was just a one way stream. What I am talking about is an interconnecting, impartial network such as the internet, connecting it all but without using it as leverage to affect changes or subdue other faiths.

Just imagine if Christianity would be the rulers of such a network. They could withhold information from other faiths so they would forever have an upper hand, like in how close one can be to the divine, how much one may experience the divine. Anyone who would want to convince me this network already exists I would consider someone wanting to seize it for their own agenda. Which they can't and many have tried but that is just not the way.


When I read your words, I see wisdom, but I also see a bit of arrogance, which is created from attachment, which is created from not dissolving the illusion of separation completely. Remember, just because you go into the dark alone to come to know yourself, doesn't mean you were ever actually alone, but rather you just asked everyone to be silent for a moment.

I am with you, and you are with me.

edit on 17-4-2013 by preludefanguy because: (no reason given)


I embrace seperation as a truth. From my own existence I can communicate with others' in perfect safety, completely free and only under my own control. You believe you are with me but you are referring to a mental image in your existence of me, the real me is in my own existence just as yours is in your own. They are different things never to be confused. Beings need clearly defined borders all agree upon so there is less confusion and strife. Without borders, this world would turn into one big pool without personalities or individuals where people don't know where thoughts arise from, was it her place or his place well no one knows for sure so whoever said it first must be the source of it all - no thanks.

In my existence there is darkness which is information I haven't investigated yet but in it's centre is a light, just as in everyone elses. Only those who would want to convince me that light isn't real are just those trying to lure me into their existence where I would have to put a lot of effort trying to make myself believe the others' light is the one and only true light meanwhile they can just pretend they are done and not need to work and develop their understanding of existence anymore. Which I don't have a problem with but I would not want to end up myself in someone's house in a dead end street believing I should pay rent for the room, where it might not even be sure the owner knows it's his or her house.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Gnobody
I do not doubt your intentions, but the ideas, advice and approach you have towards 'enlightenment' are not helpful, I would even go as far as to say it is dangerous.


Then I have helped you by revealing your fears to yourself which you should investigate as this would be your no 1. obstacle. Everyone can choose to read this thread or not, it goes for the entire board, it's up to the reader how to interpret something said and whether or not actions may be taken either by writing against what I say (of which I am aware I would allow myself as a punching bag) or do something completely different in everyday life by making statements against individuals such as myself the way they see fit.


I am not usually so harsh with my words when talking about somebody else's path, ideas or thoughts etc, but the above is just so far gone that what you have written is worse than saying nothing at all...


You like anyone else shouldn't waste time on believing I would mentally/emotionally hurt myself, as you suggest your harshness might actually upset me or affect me negatively so I would come to see your point and be subdued. You would not only waste time but fool yourself and possibly others you speak to about how you give me a piece of your mind and how I toned down or changed my opinion.


Of course, this is just my opinion and may seem like nonsense to you, but I beg anybody reading what you have written to just think about what you are being told here....'play lots of video games, withdraw from society, become a hermit, watch lots of movies, look for the fastest route to enlightenment'....please, think for a while, does this sound like the advice you should be seeking to reach 'enlightenment'?

Gnobody


Why yes because it is easier to view all of society and all the ideas and notions it creates in the mind from a distance than up close and personal. After one 'gets it' one can return if the person still wants to.

I would say to look for all routes to enlightenment throughout history.

As far as videogames go, they can be used for many things, to learn about history, to learn about imagining and so control the dreamstate or even go out of body or the immaterial. To sit completely still behind a computer while pretending to experience another point of view is quite alike sitting still in meditation and working on one's psyche or understanding.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dragonfly79

Originally posted by preludefanguy
This has already been done.


Not in the way I meant it. I believe you are referring to already established faiths. It would equate to everybody knowing where one heavens ends and the others' begins, the same for the different hells and who owns what and has the final say in decisions. If it were an immaterial network, every heaven and hell had their own local subnet and it was just a one way stream. What I am talking about is an interconnecting, impartial network such as the internet, connecting it all but without using it as leverage to affect changes or subdue other faiths.

Just imagine if Christianity would be the rulers of such a network. They could withhold information from other faiths so they would forever have an upper hand, like in how close one can be to the divine, how much one may experience the divine. Anyone who would want to convince me this network already exists I would consider someone wanting to seize it for their own agenda. Which they can't and many have tried but that is just not the way.


But it has already been done, this already exists. You might be able to recreate it with your own terms, but this plain already exists, and your creation will be a subdivision of this plain. The minor within the larger. Problem is, we live in a world where we are ruled by the subdivisions that group souls have manifested, and they are restrictive yes, because that is the nature of dividing into smaller wholes.




When I read your words, I see wisdom, but I also see a bit of arrogance, which is created from attachment, which is created from not dissolving the illusion of separation completely. Remember, just because you go into the dark alone to come to know yourself, doesn't mean you were ever actually alone, but rather you just asked everyone to be silent for a moment.

I am with you, and you are with me.

edit on 17-4-2013 by preludefanguy because: (no reason given)


I embrace seperation as a truth. From my own existence I can communicate with others' in perfect safety, completely free and only under my own control. You believe you are with me but you are referring to a mental image in your existence of me, the real me is in my own existence just as yours is in your own. They are different things never to be confused. Beings need clearly defined borders all agree upon so there is less confusion and strife. Without borders, this world would turn into one big pool without personalities or individuals where people don't know where thoughts arise from, was it her place or his place well no one knows for sure so whoever said it first must be the source of it all - no thanks.

In my existence there is darkness which is information I haven't investigated yet but in it's centre is a light, just as in everyone elses. Only those who would want to convince me that light isn't real are just those trying to lure me into their existence where I would have to put a lot of effort trying to make myself believe the others' light is the one and only true light meanwhile they can just pretend they are done and not need to work and develop their understanding of existence anymore. Which I don't have a problem with but I would not want to end up myself in someone's house in a dead end street believing I should pay rent for the room, where it might not even be sure the owner knows it's his or her house.


You are always safe, with, without, safety is the opposite of danger, and danger arises from the attachment to separation, because we fear loss. Darkness and light, they are both the same, but light prevails, because it penetrates the darkness, but they are part of the same whole. Without darkness, light would have nothing to define, without light, darkness could not be defined. What is definition? Separation. We have separated to exist in creativity. There IS the light of truth however, and that light illuminates both the darkness and the light itself, because you collapse it into its whole, into its true form. Dualism collapses.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by preludefanguy
But it has already been done, this already exists. You might be able to recreate it with your own terms, but this plain already exists, and your creation will be a subdivision of this plain. The minor within the larger. Problem is, we live in a world where we are ruled by the subdivisions that group souls have manifested, and they are restrictive yes, because that is the nature of dividing into smaller wholes.


Ok, whatever you say goes for you. You want to be part of that group of souls which would want to make everyone believe there is only one world or existance and it is that one soul of that one group that manifested that existence or "plain" (should I interpret that as plane?) that is your choice.

I myself chose a different group of souls, one from another part of this universe altogether, another planet which is far more advanced in their understanding. Not perfect, but that is why I came into contact with them, they were just the last civilization that I didn't reject or whose truth I could live with.

I know many of humanity are still adapting to the idea the Earth revolves around the sun and some are just barely beginning to understand how much intelligent life there is out there but that is how it is and I would rather experience social death than give up my beliefs, as in all truth I can't as I know I would be lying to myself and others and if that isn't bad enough in itself I would be setting myself up for centuries of staying near humanity from this planet and having to watch all these people unknowingly fooling themselves and/or creating more and more suffering.


You are always safe, with, without, safety is the opposite of danger, and danger arises from the attachment to separation, because we fear loss.


In my case I'm not always because I choose to visit the tormented souls or rather have some contact with them. To fully understand their problems or hindrances I would have to recreate them for myself as realistically as possible so I can relate and then we could talk and progress might be made.


Darkness and light, they are both the same, but light prevails, because it penetrates the darkness, but they are part of the same whole. Without darkness, light would have nothing to define, without light, darkness could not be defined. What is definition? Separation. We have separated to exist in creativity. There IS the light of truth however, and that light illuminates both the darkness and the light itself, because you collapse it into its whole, into its true form. Dualism collapses.


Danger is just there to warn for lessons which shouldn't be learned until a later stage of development. Other than that in a physical sense it is to warn for material dangers to the material vessel such as all kinds of accidents at home or in traffic, etc.

There is nothing wrong with explaining everything from a dualistic point of view. Everything is either good or bad for a person or a whole in the end when decisions have to be made.



posted on Apr, 17 2013 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Dragonfly79

Originally posted by preludefanguy
But it has already been done, this already exists. You might be able to recreate it with your own terms, but this plain already exists, and your creation will be a subdivision of this plain. The minor within the larger. Problem is, we live in a world where we are ruled by the subdivisions that group souls have manifested, and they are restrictive yes, because that is the nature of dividing into smaller wholes.


Ok, whatever you say goes for you. You want to be part of that group of souls which would want to make everyone believe there is only one world or existance and it is that one soul of that one group that manifested that existence or "plain" (should I interpret that as plane?) that is your choice.

I myself chose a different group of souls, one from another part of this universe altogether, another planet which is far more advanced in their understanding. Not perfect, but that is why I came into contact with them, they were just the last civilization that I didn't reject or whose truth I could live with.


There is not only one way, or one existence, or one earth. It is endless, it is the ultimate expression of creativity. We choose to create the spaces within the space. When you choose, you create attachment, and attachment, even in 'enlightened beings/civilizations' means you are still learning, still on the path, no matter how advanced. You exist within a space that you created as your 'home.'



I know many of humanity are still adapting to the idea the Earth revolves around the sun and some are just barely beginning to understand how much intelligent life there is out there but that is how it is and I would rather experience social death than give up my beliefs, as in all truth I can't as I know I would be lying to myself and others and if that isn't bad enough in itself I would be setting myself up for centuries of staying near humanity from this planet and having to watch all these people unknowingly fooling themselves and/or creating more and more suffering.


It is a choice one makes.




You are always safe, with, without, safety is the opposite of danger, and danger arises from the attachment to separation, because we fear loss.


In my case I'm not always because I choose to visit the tormented souls or rather have some contact with them. To fully understand their problems or hindrances I would have to recreate them for myself as realistically as possible so I can relate and then we could talk and progress might be made.


To relate, the very word relate speaks of separation. There is not separation, and you have experienced all the suffering already, you just dont remember it. This is why you are so advanced in a spirit form, but be careful not to give away your own power to the idea of someone elses.




Darkness and light, they are both the same, but light prevails, because it penetrates the darkness, but they are part of the same whole. Without darkness, light would have nothing to define, without light, darkness could not be defined. What is definition? Separation. We have separated to exist in creativity. There IS the light of truth however, and that light illuminates both the darkness and the light itself, because you collapse it into its whole, into its true form. Dualism collapses.


Danger is just there to warn for lessons which shouldn't be learned until a later stage of development. Other than that in a physical sense it is to warn for material dangers to the material vessel such as all kinds of accidents at home or in traffic, etc.

There is nothing wrong with explaining everything from a dualistic point of view. Everything is either good or bad for a person or a whole in the end when decisions have to be made.


Good and evil, God and Satan, all a concept, an idea, and ideas give birth to realities. Dualism serves as a way to define what cant be seen, but it is just an idea. Free yourself from all concepts and ideas, but only when you are ready to.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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It's amazing how garbage threads attract far more activity than intellectually stimulating threads. It's obvious the OP is full of crap, but that doesn't stop the denizens of ATS from supplying 20 pages worth of unproductive rhetorical in an effort to amuse themselves without actually getting anything done.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
It's amazing how garbage threads attract far more activity than intellectually stimulating threads. It's obvious the OP is full of crap, but that doesn't stop the denizens of ATS from supplying 20 pages worth of unproductive rhetorical in an effort to amuse themselves without actually getting anything done.


This thread was dead - it is you who wants to keep it alive. The last post prior to yours was 3 days ago.
It appears that it is you who wants to be amused. You enjoy being arrogant and condescending.
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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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It appears that it is you who wants to be amused. You enjoy being arrogant and condescending.


That's funny, coming from someone who answers in cryptic riddles that not even s/he seems to know the answer to. I'll stop being "arrogant and condescending" when you start being more helpful and informative. Cold day in hell, right?

Have a nice day.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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It appears that it is you who wants to be amused. You enjoy being arrogant and condescending.


That's funny, coming from someone who answers in cryptic riddles that not even s/he seems to know the answer to. I'll stop being "arrogant and condescending" when you start being more helpful and informative. Cold day in hell, right?

Have a nice day.


It is a shame that you are so in a rush to put others down that you cannot actually read and comprehend what is read.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
and what was the point of this thread. Enlightened how? Do you even know what is going on in the world.

Do you know what the end times will be? Everyone speaks like a philospher. Its all giberish.

I claim enlightenment. Because i see what is going on, i have been illuminated. For i am becoming the master of symbolism.



Long way to go to be like me,

I am He-Man Master of the universe


hahhaah i don't have to go that far mang/ I got yahweh on my side. With him making his appearence signialling the fullfillment of prophecy, when i return to amenti my failful crocodile pooch will awaken and begin feasting on flesh. If their hearts were heavier than the feather of ma'at they are doomed to burn in the interal furnace.

Likewise, i will become a blood god. Devouring demons and humans alike. Growing stronger and feeding off of the essence. When all the archangels awaken. There are others trust me besides ( Jesus) The world will see creature the likeness of vampires they have never seen.
God eaters, These arch angels have eatten thousands of souls, and burned hundreds. They can try to take me out. But i have formless shadow shapeshifters Protecting me. Which is the illuminatis mortal enemies.

So i am fine for spreading or saying what ever message i want. I can say it. Which also technically fullfills the other part of the prophecy is being able to speak about it freely with no worries of trouble for it.

This is just one accended master, one of the god eaters.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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Its the special ones that need extra attention




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It's amazing how garbage threads attract far more activity than intellectually stimulating threads. It's obvious the OP is full of crap, but that doesn't stop the denizens of ATS from supplying 20 pages worth of unproductive rhetorical in an effort to amuse themselves without actually getting anything done.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 09:56 AM
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You enjoy being arrogant and condescending.


How about you?

What do you enjoy?



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 11:59 AM
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It is a shame that you are so in a rush to put others down that you cannot actually read and comprehend what is read.


And what exactly did you get out of this thread? OP claims to be completely enlightened. OP makes a fool out of himself. We continue to bombard him with questions and discussion regarding a subject he has already demonstrated completely ignorance in. Ensuing snowball effect of unproductive rhetoric.

So what does this thread contribute to ATS?



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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It is a shame that you are so in a rush to put others down that you cannot actually read and comprehend what is read.


And what exactly did you get out of this thread?


If you want something out of anything you have to put something in there yourself. You put in negativity, that's what you'll get. If you don't want that you need to stop clicking the topic but I guess you want negativity as some people have learned how to get off on that. I do feel sorry for you, if you do this on the internet you probably do this IRL too, hope you can see this and change your ways and those around you or spend less time with them. For a start blaming others for the negativity and believing you owe others for positivity will never lead to enlightenment.


OP claims to be completely enlightened. OP makes a fool out of himself. We continue to bombard him with questions and discussion regarding a subject he has already demonstrated completely ignorance in. Ensuing snowball effect of unproductive rhetoric.

So what does this thread contribute to ATS?


Making nihilistic or complete claims about others from an absolute truth isn't going to get you enlightened also. If you would be more precise like where you believe I make a fool out of myself might at least be made into something constructive, then you would have more of a point. Finally let go of your 'we' stance, it doesn't look impressive to me like you have an imaginary gang with you there all supporting what you say. You are an individual, there is no ATS hive mind which you or I am a part of, nor is there an internet hive mind or universal hive mind or any for that matter. Ok some souls out there might want you to believe that but it's a lesser enlightenment as the centre of the hive mind is just one individual who can never be surpassed.
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posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
This is just one accended master, one of the god eaters.



In your own mind you can be the blood god all you want with your legions of demons but there just isn't much room for that in this topic. 2nd.





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