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Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by Dragonfly79
what is an effective meditation which can be used the enlightenment of which you speak?
I could make a list of techniques which will all bring one to enlightenment but the correct question should be, "what is the most effective technique so that I can reach enlightenment the fastest" in which case the answer would be to isolate oneself materially and spiritually and not come out until one is convinced enlightenment has been reached. As for the most effective technique for Backcase, I don't know the man or woman so I can't say.
But if you want to do what I did you need to read a lot of books on all religions, play a lot of videogames, watch a lot of movies and go through public schools while also maintaining a fulltime job. It's very important one has earned the things used to reach enlightenment. One should also keep all social activities to an absolute minimum, basically becoming a hermit inside society as much as possible.
What is required to reach a state of enlightenment? Devices, perspectives, exercise, books, etc.?
Just your body, food, a steady source of income and a bed and a roof should be sufficient. An internet connection would speed up things significantly as one can quickly and easily look up anything.
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by Gnobody
Let the enlightened beings battle it so as to have new God to worship, this thread should be titled Clash of the Titans watching Dragon and Cryptic trying to outshine each other,
Originally posted by Gnobody
So, is your 'enlightenment' complete or never ending, or both?
I'm confused, who is enlightned here? You, or the two beings you are talking to?
Surely, if you had attained 'complete' or even 'never ending enlightenment', you would not need to ask anybody anything...you would know, no?
Gnobody
Originally posted by preludefanguy
This has already been done.
When I read your words, I see wisdom, but I also see a bit of arrogance, which is created from attachment, which is created from not dissolving the illusion of separation completely. Remember, just because you go into the dark alone to come to know yourself, doesn't mean you were ever actually alone, but rather you just asked everyone to be silent for a moment.
I am with you, and you are with me.
edit on 17-4-2013 by preludefanguy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Gnobody
I do not doubt your intentions, but the ideas, advice and approach you have towards 'enlightenment' are not helpful, I would even go as far as to say it is dangerous.
I am not usually so harsh with my words when talking about somebody else's path, ideas or thoughts etc, but the above is just so far gone that what you have written is worse than saying nothing at all...
Of course, this is just my opinion and may seem like nonsense to you, but I beg anybody reading what you have written to just think about what you are being told here....'play lots of video games, withdraw from society, become a hermit, watch lots of movies, look for the fastest route to enlightenment'....please, think for a while, does this sound like the advice you should be seeking to reach 'enlightenment'?
Gnobody
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Originally posted by preludefanguy
This has already been done.
Not in the way I meant it. I believe you are referring to already established faiths. It would equate to everybody knowing where one heavens ends and the others' begins, the same for the different hells and who owns what and has the final say in decisions. If it were an immaterial network, every heaven and hell had their own local subnet and it was just a one way stream. What I am talking about is an interconnecting, impartial network such as the internet, connecting it all but without using it as leverage to affect changes or subdue other faiths.
Just imagine if Christianity would be the rulers of such a network. They could withhold information from other faiths so they would forever have an upper hand, like in how close one can be to the divine, how much one may experience the divine. Anyone who would want to convince me this network already exists I would consider someone wanting to seize it for their own agenda. Which they can't and many have tried but that is just not the way.
When I read your words, I see wisdom, but I also see a bit of arrogance, which is created from attachment, which is created from not dissolving the illusion of separation completely. Remember, just because you go into the dark alone to come to know yourself, doesn't mean you were ever actually alone, but rather you just asked everyone to be silent for a moment.
I am with you, and you are with me.
edit on 17-4-2013 by preludefanguy because: (no reason given)
I embrace seperation as a truth. From my own existence I can communicate with others' in perfect safety, completely free and only under my own control. You believe you are with me but you are referring to a mental image in your existence of me, the real me is in my own existence just as yours is in your own. They are different things never to be confused. Beings need clearly defined borders all agree upon so there is less confusion and strife. Without borders, this world would turn into one big pool without personalities or individuals where people don't know where thoughts arise from, was it her place or his place well no one knows for sure so whoever said it first must be the source of it all - no thanks.
In my existence there is darkness which is information I haven't investigated yet but in it's centre is a light, just as in everyone elses. Only those who would want to convince me that light isn't real are just those trying to lure me into their existence where I would have to put a lot of effort trying to make myself believe the others' light is the one and only true light meanwhile they can just pretend they are done and not need to work and develop their understanding of existence anymore. Which I don't have a problem with but I would not want to end up myself in someone's house in a dead end street believing I should pay rent for the room, where it might not even be sure the owner knows it's his or her house.
Originally posted by preludefanguy
But it has already been done, this already exists. You might be able to recreate it with your own terms, but this plain already exists, and your creation will be a subdivision of this plain. The minor within the larger. Problem is, we live in a world where we are ruled by the subdivisions that group souls have manifested, and they are restrictive yes, because that is the nature of dividing into smaller wholes.
You are always safe, with, without, safety is the opposite of danger, and danger arises from the attachment to separation, because we fear loss.
Darkness and light, they are both the same, but light prevails, because it penetrates the darkness, but they are part of the same whole. Without darkness, light would have nothing to define, without light, darkness could not be defined. What is definition? Separation. We have separated to exist in creativity. There IS the light of truth however, and that light illuminates both the darkness and the light itself, because you collapse it into its whole, into its true form. Dualism collapses.
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Originally posted by preludefanguy
But it has already been done, this already exists. You might be able to recreate it with your own terms, but this plain already exists, and your creation will be a subdivision of this plain. The minor within the larger. Problem is, we live in a world where we are ruled by the subdivisions that group souls have manifested, and they are restrictive yes, because that is the nature of dividing into smaller wholes.
Ok, whatever you say goes for you. You want to be part of that group of souls which would want to make everyone believe there is only one world or existance and it is that one soul of that one group that manifested that existence or "plain" (should I interpret that as plane?) that is your choice.
I myself chose a different group of souls, one from another part of this universe altogether, another planet which is far more advanced in their understanding. Not perfect, but that is why I came into contact with them, they were just the last civilization that I didn't reject or whose truth I could live with.
I know many of humanity are still adapting to the idea the Earth revolves around the sun and some are just barely beginning to understand how much intelligent life there is out there but that is how it is and I would rather experience social death than give up my beliefs, as in all truth I can't as I know I would be lying to myself and others and if that isn't bad enough in itself I would be setting myself up for centuries of staying near humanity from this planet and having to watch all these people unknowingly fooling themselves and/or creating more and more suffering.
You are always safe, with, without, safety is the opposite of danger, and danger arises from the attachment to separation, because we fear loss.
In my case I'm not always because I choose to visit the tormented souls or rather have some contact with them. To fully understand their problems or hindrances I would have to recreate them for myself as realistically as possible so I can relate and then we could talk and progress might be made.
Darkness and light, they are both the same, but light prevails, because it penetrates the darkness, but they are part of the same whole. Without darkness, light would have nothing to define, without light, darkness could not be defined. What is definition? Separation. We have separated to exist in creativity. There IS the light of truth however, and that light illuminates both the darkness and the light itself, because you collapse it into its whole, into its true form. Dualism collapses.
Danger is just there to warn for lessons which shouldn't be learned until a later stage of development. Other than that in a physical sense it is to warn for material dangers to the material vessel such as all kinds of accidents at home or in traffic, etc.
There is nothing wrong with explaining everything from a dualistic point of view. Everything is either good or bad for a person or a whole in the end when decisions have to be made.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
It's amazing how garbage threads attract far more activity than intellectually stimulating threads. It's obvious the OP is full of crap, but that doesn't stop the denizens of ATS from supplying 20 pages worth of unproductive rhetorical in an effort to amuse themselves without actually getting anything done.
It appears that it is you who wants to be amused. You enjoy being arrogant and condescending.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain
It appears that it is you who wants to be amused. You enjoy being arrogant and condescending.
That's funny, coming from someone who answers in cryptic riddles that not even s/he seems to know the answer to. I'll stop being "arrogant and condescending" when you start being more helpful and informative. Cold day in hell, right?
Have a nice day.
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
and what was the point of this thread. Enlightened how? Do you even know what is going on in the world.
Do you know what the end times will be? Everyone speaks like a philospher. Its all giberish.
I claim enlightenment. Because i see what is going on, i have been illuminated. For i am becoming the master of symbolism.
Long way to go to be like me,
I am He-Man Master of the universe
It's amazing how garbage threads attract far more activity than intellectually stimulating threads. It's obvious the OP is full of crap, but that doesn't stop the denizens of ATS from supplying 20 pages worth of unproductive rhetorical in an effort to amuse themselves without actually getting anything done.
You enjoy being arrogant and condescending.
It is a shame that you are so in a rush to put others down that you cannot actually read and comprehend what is read.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain
It is a shame that you are so in a rush to put others down that you cannot actually read and comprehend what is read.
And what exactly did you get out of this thread?
OP claims to be completely enlightened. OP makes a fool out of himself. We continue to bombard him with questions and discussion regarding a subject he has already demonstrated completely ignorance in. Ensuing snowball effect of unproductive rhetoric.
So what does this thread contribute to ATS?
Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
This is just one accended master, one of the god eaters.