Will Americans Soon Not Be Able To Buy, Sell Or Get A Job Without A Global ID Card?

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posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Your assumption is based on the fact that we will always have a benevolent government, yet that no longer seems to be the case anymore, now does it? Is our government making laws as of late that are in the best interest of the majority of the population? Or rather are they making sweeping grabs at power for the few elite among us? Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it, and those who have given up all their freedoms will be too controlled to do anything to change it.

From a Christian prospective, it also puts the control for your safety and well-being in the hands of your government. As a religious person, folks are supposed to only put that level of faith in their God. Doing otherwise, makes the government your god.

As far as illegals go, we already have laws to handle that, but the government chooses not to enforce those existing laws thereby giving them an excuse to make even more controlling ones. Again, from a Christian prospective, you should not be holding it against any person on this planet, what side of a “man made” line on this planet you were born on to begin with, we are all equally human and children of God.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.
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I don't very often say that anything the government does is benign, but I gotta agree with ya... millions of us already have them in the form of military IDs...



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.
edit on 22-2-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

Really? I always thought that cops hiding anywhere was a complete waste of tax payer dollars. Maybe you don't have a problem paying cops to sit around eating donuts in between speed trap sessions. IMO cops should work for their pay like everyone else and actually go catch real criminals and lay off the taxpayers. You sound like a real suck hole.



posted on Feb, 23 2013 @ 11:48 PM
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First they will offer it for a health insurance discounted rate, then it will be mandatory, then public health service, then everyone.



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 10:15 AM
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No offense, but you're just the type of person (people) that is appreciated by the global elites. The type, aka "the sheep", that will meekly be lead anywhere they wish to lead you. 'Lead me to food over there? Baaaa. Lead me to shelter over there?' Baaaa.
The type that will be happy, albeit clueless, until you see your family and friends being put down with that electric prod to the forehead.
You, and so many others, have to look behind the curtains on issues like these. You have to look beyond yourself and your lifespan, and view the world as it COULD become if it follows the path that's being laid.



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 10:19 AM
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Tony Bliar wanted to introduce an national ID card in Britain.

It went the way of the Dodo




posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 10:34 AM
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The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.
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Why again do we need a National ID card when every state has ID requirements and the military has their ID which all states recognize?
If every company would quit hiring illegal aliens and actually verify backgrounds, this wouldn't be a problem.

I applied for an electrical union apprenticeship a few years ago,I not only needed ID,but SSN and birth certificate.
There aren't any illegal aliens in the union or most unions because of this. How hard is it to require all employers to verify these things?
We already have an accepted Global ID,itis called a passport.
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posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 01:50 PM
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So we should further suffer under a corrupt government just because you misplace your things?
I think you need to be more organized and responsible and not look to government to play daddy and fix it all.
Too many people are "hooked on a feeling" and demand changes out of irrational emotions. Just like the whole gun control debate because of Sandyhook. This is all a push toward further totalitarian Socialist government.
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posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by mugger
Why again do we need a National ID card when every state has ID requirements and the military has their ID which all states recognize?

Again, every states “Gold Star Compliant ID” IS a National ID Card, and with the addition of the “E-Passport” logo, also meets the benchmarks to be used as a passport card. It has the same biometrics on it that are used on the US Passport Card.

It is nothing more then another “National ID” secreted in under a different name....


Originally posted by AndyMayhew
Tony Bliar wanted to introduce an national ID card in Britain.

It went the way of the Dodo.

Not from what I am finding...
They did the same thing to you guys that they have pulled over here, bypassing the law under the guise of “updating DMV procedures”:


As of 2013, British motorists will be issued a new European driver’s license supplied by Gemalto. Compliant with EU specifications and the latest ICAO standards, the Sealys ID document exemplifies the next generation of highly securepolycarbonate cards. Its operating system is among the fastest, most interoperable on the market, enabling significant cost savings both at the personalization stage and in usage.

This means that your drivers license photo is a Biometric Facial Recognition “compliant” photo in accordance with the UN's ICAO biometric facial recognition standards.

Seriously, anyone who thinks they are NOT being issued one of these new UN compliant ID's needs to do more digging, because they are being used now by EVERYONE. They are the world standard after the events of 911, and the US government pushing all the other countries in the world to get National ID Cards.

For those who are Christians...Yes, they are the first document in the history of the world that DOES meet all the criteria to be considered the “Mark”. There will never be a “Chip” because the government knows that Christians will freak out about it, so their tactic is to constantly threaten with the “Chip” then quietly issue a card that meets all the same criteria. The elites of the world want us tracked, and want the ability to track you down or make it impossible to live if you ever cross them. Card, Chip, tattoo, does not matter, its the database and your biometrics that makes you traceable, not the media that its issued on. They have made you trade your freedom for a false promise of safety.



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 05:31 PM
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I guess I should add this as some may not follow the link above:


ICAO Compliance
Traditional identity documents are now being replaced by electronic documents with biometric features onboard; this enable machine-assisted check of person identity, both when the document is issued and successively for identity verification. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) established a specific working group to determine the most suitable way of "uniquely encoding a particular physical characteristic of a person into a biometric-identifier that can be machine-verified to confirm the presenter’s identity". Face is chosen as the primary globally interoperable biometric characteristic for machine assisted identity confirmation in Machine Readable Travel Documents (MRTD).

If you want to check if you're in the “system”, you need to find out whether or not you have submitted to an ID that is ICAO Compliant. Additionally, if you want to know if your DMV (or whatever) is issuing “(Inter)National ID's”, look to see if they contain UN ICAO biometrics. It may take some serious digging to find out the truth for your particular issuing agency, they are trying like crazy to keep this all quietly under the carpet until its completed.



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 05:35 PM
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It could be taken as to mean "in hand or forehead" as you hold a card in your hand, you know your pin number in your head, simple as that. no implant no chip needed just the good old card and number. for some that is to simple to have , yet there it is , and the bar code as well, first was you name or mark then came the card then the bar code , now it has come full circle name, number, pin code, finger print, and your face. get yours today,
www.m2sys.com...



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 05:38 PM
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yeah, but thursday next week we'll be destroyed by a meteor and obama gun confiscation zombies will be asking for global ID cards

ATS gets worse by the day



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by mugger
Why again do we need a National ID card when every state has ID requirements and the military has their ID which all states recognize?


Missouri is not on board with the National ID bovine excrement and never will be.


On April 16, 2009 the Missouri House of Representatives passed the anti REAL ID bill HB 361 to repeal section 302.171, RSMo, and to enact in lieu thereof two new sections relating to noncompliance with the federal REAL ID Act of 2005 sponsored by Representative Jim Guest by a vote of 83 Ayes 69 Noes and 3 Present. On May 13, 2009 the Missouri Senate unanimously passed HB 361, 43 Ayes 0 Noes. Missouri Governor Jay Nixon signed this bill into law on July 13, 2009.

en.wikipedia.org...


Says here there are others resisting it as well...


Fifteen States Have Passed Anti-REAL ID Legislation. As the deadline for compliance draws closer, more states are opting out of the controversial REAL ID national identification system. The states that have passed anti-REAL ID legislation are: Arkansas (pdf), Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Carolina, and Washington. The resistance to REAL ID is growing. In May, more than 60 organizations and 215 blogs joined a campaign to submit comments against REAL ID. There are bills in both the U.S. House and Senate that would repeal the national identification scheme. EPIC and 24 experts in privacy and technology submitted detailed comments (pdf) explaining the many privacy and security threats raised by the REAL ID Act. For more information, see EPIC's Spotlight on Surveillance for March. (June 5, 2007)

epic.org...


Missouri people are not real big on being told what to do by the Fed. We also passed a referendum in 2012 that stated that the State legislature would not be allowed to enact any portion of the Obamacare crap unless presented for a vote by and approved by a majority of the citizens of the State.
Personally I just wish for secession…



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by bekod
It could be taken as to mean "in hand or forehead" as you hold a card in your hand, you know your pin number in your head, simple as that. no implant no chip needed just the good old card and number.

As I said earlier, if you check in “Strongs Concordance” there are somewhere around 30 translations to the word used for “IN” in that sentence. The translators could just as easily have mistaken “the ID being IN you” as they could that your “Biometric hand/head information is IN it”. As there was no idea what the system would be, and as no one had conceived the technology we have today until the present time, is the translation even accurate in light of today's technology?

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posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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true , take a look at their interpenetration of locusts, in the book of rev, does that not in today's world, seem as if they are describing a helo an ah64?, or is it a real bug? me ill take it they are trying to describe an AH64, or other type of air craft, same with their way of describing tanks, it is all how one sees it, you might be right i might be right and thus is the problem , not every one can be right , or can they?

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posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Golf66
Missouri is not on board with the National ID bovine excrement and never will be.


On April 16, 2009 the Missouri House of Representatives passed the anti REAL ID bill HB 361 to repeal section 302.171, RSMo, and to enact in lieu thereof two new sections relating to noncompliance with the federal REAL ID Act of 2005 sponsored by Representative Jim Guest by a vote of 83 Ayes 69 Noes and 3 Present. On May 13, 2009 the Missouri Senate unanimously passed HB 361, 43 Ayes 0 Noes. Missouri Governor Jay Nixon signed this bill into law on July 13, 2009.

en.wikipedia.org...

Go back and read my first post.
The DMV's are bypassing the laws by changing “department procedures”. From above:


For example, Oklahoma has passed a law stating:


Oklahoma – OKLA. STAT. ANN, tit. 47, § 6-110.3 (2007) (The State of Oklahoma shall not participate in the implementation of the REAL ID Act of 2005. The Department of Public Safety is hereby directed not to implement the provisions of the REAL ID Act of 2005 and to report to the Governor and the Legislature any attempt by agencies or agents of the United States Department of Homeland Security to secure the implementation of the REAL ID Act of 2005 through the operations of that or any other state department.

Yet, secretly, Oklahoma has complied with the Real ID act by changing “department policy” in its state DMV offices...


How close is Oklahoma to the Real ID, Much, Much, Closer then it should be
At least 13 (the National Conference of State Legislatures recognizes 16) states passed an actual law against Real ID but we know from Congressional documents that some of these states are quietly issuing Real ID compliant driver’s licenses anyways.

Thirteen states have laws prohibiting compliance with the REAL ID Act. Even so, DHS believes that some of these states already issue secure identification documents consistent with the standards of the regulation.

These states may not sign up for the gold star just yet, but with a wink and a nod, they are just as surely undermining the will of the people by meeting the first 18 benchmarks of Real ID. To state it simply, these states are positioned to do the bidding of the Department of Homeland Security by meeting the requirements of the Real ID Act while retaining plausible deniability about violating their states’ law that prohibits implementation of the Real ID Act.

Kay Beach went to the DMV in Oklahoma (which has a simular law to your states), and told them she wanted a regular, old fashioned, license, and was refused. It's presently in court:
Kaye Beach: a REAL ID Victim



She is suing the state for its refusal to accommodate her religious beliefs, protected under the Oklahoma Religious Freedom Act.

She is also suing the state for violating her right to keep her personal and unique biometric measurements and identification private, per Article II, Section 30 of the Oklahoma Constitution, which is VERY similar to the U.S. Constitution's Fourth Amendment.


You need to check how far that they have made compliance strides in relation to the Real ID Benchmarks, such as are they using UN ICAO photos?

www.cis.org...
States like Missouri and Montana have outright bans on REAL ID compliance, but even these states are improving standards. Oregon will not permit its motor vehicle agency to share data with other states. Other states, like New Hampshire, cannot spend money on REAL ID compliance without prior approval.



posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by bekod
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true , take a look at their interpenetration of locusts, in the book of rev, does that not in today's world, seem as if they are describing a helo an ah64?, or is it a real bug? me ill take it they are trying to describe an AH64, or other type of air craft, same with their way of describing tanks, it is all how one sees it, you might be right i might be right and thus is the problem , not every one can be right , or can they?

There are many things that can be translated many different ways using hindsight and knowing how the world is now. For the “Mark”, you must realize that Christianity is still one of (if not the) largest group on the plant, and NONE of them are going to accept any ID that goes under the skin because of the common translation of that verse. Yet we know that not only will it be implemented, but a lot of Christians will be fooled into getting it. That's why I am stating that they will keep “threatening” a “Chip”, but have quietly released a “card” that meets all the criteria.

Make a list of the Criteria that the mark mentions and see how the Real ID Stacks up:

1) Its world wide. (so far I've only found one country that does not issue them yet)
2) It in some way involves your head (facial recognition) or hands (fingerprints).
3) You cannot effectively live without one (prevents you from getting employment, opening a bank account, getting prescription meds, traveling any significant distance, making a large withdraw from a bank, driving to a job, etc...)
4) It is the “Number of a Man”, unique digitized biometric measurements.
5) It is issued by the final “beast” world superpower that came into existence after Rome.
6) It is one short (666) of some mark between god and his people (777):




7) Even DHS refers to it as a “Mark” in their benchmark compliance listing.
8) You surrender your freedom to your government in trade for a promise of their protection, protection that you are to look to God for as a Christian. Therefore it means that you trust your government more then you trust your God, and makes your government a god in the eyes of God.

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posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by defcon5
 
true , take a look at their interpenetration of locusts, in the book of rev, does that not in today's world, seem as if they are describing a helo an ah64?, or is it a real bug? me ill take it they are trying to describe an AH64, or other type of air craft, same with their way of describing tanks, it is all how one sees it, you might be right i might be right and thus is the problem , not every one can be right , or can they?

There are many things that can be translated many different ways using hindsight and knowing how the world is now. For the “Mark”, you must realize that Christianity is still one of (if not the) largest group on the plant, and NONE of them are going to accept any ID that goes under the skin because of the common translation of that verse. Yet we know that not only will it be implemented, but a lot of Christians will be fooled into getting it. That's why I am stating that they will keep “threatening” a “Chip”, but have quietly released a “card” that meets all the criteria.

Make a list of the Criteria that the mark mentions and see how the Real ID Stacks up:

1) Its world wide. (so far I've only found one country that does not issue them yet)
2) It in some way involves your head (facial recognition) or hands (fingerprints).
3) You cannot effectively live without one (prevents you from getting employment, opening a bank account, getting prescription meds, traveling any significant distance, making a large withdraw from a bank, driving to a job, etc...)
4) It is the “Number of a Man”, unique digitized biometric measurements.
5) It is issued by the final “beast” world superpower that came into existence after Rome.
6) It is one short (666) of some mark between god and his people (777):




7) Even DHS refers to it as a “Mark” in their benchmark compliance listing.
8) You surrender your freedom to your government in trade for a promise of their protection, protection that you are to look to God for as a Christian. Therefore it means that you trust your government more then you trust your God, and makes your government a god in the eyes of God.

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You've brought a new light to the subject for me, Defcon. I can only see one thing wrong with your assertions. IF it comes down to it, IF I were prepared to go to ground, I could easily lose a card, thereby being lost from prying eyes.

Much harder to do with an implanted chip. And if that chip does become a reality, I WILL be going to ground. Can only hope and pray I'm not the only one, and that a network can be set up by 'us' to help each other survive.



posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by 2ndthought
You've brought a new light to the subject for me, Defcon. I can only see one thing wrong with your assertions. IF it comes down to it, IF I were prepared to go to ground, I could easily lose a card, thereby being lost from prying eyes.

Much harder to do with an implanted chip. And if that chip does become a reality, I WILL be going to ground. Can only hope and pray I'm not the only one, and that a network can be set up by 'us' to help each other survive.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

A scalpel, a few seconds squeezing and pain... and you can pop an subdermal chip right out.

...BUT...

You'll NEVER be able to remove your biometrics from a government controlled database once they have their hands on them. Even if you ditch the card, your biometrics will still be associated with you, and you will still be trackable by their Facial recognition Systems... Forever...

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 03:00 PM
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"and the Mark (symbol indicating identity) of the Beast (system of mankind created apart from God's laws) will be in the forehead (thoughts, how one thinks) and in the right hand (works, how one lives their life towards others as a result of their thoughts).


"you must observe my Sabbaths (7th day and annual Sabbaths), they are a sign (symbol indicating identity) that you are My poeple and I am your God, forever and throughout all your generations."

It is NOT a microship, it is NOT a required ID card. It is whether you obey the Eternal laws of ALmighty God or not, based on how you think (forehead) and what you do (right hand).

God Bless,





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