It can't be done until the dollar collapses , then they will push the Id card .The thing about the card , it will be worldwide, not just America.

The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.

Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.

edit on 22-2-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

Easy to say if you haven't been accused or suspected of something that you did not do.

The person who has had their door broken down and their pets shot during a 'no-knock' search warrant..... when the cops had the wrong address, or an address provided by an informant that lied..... They would understand.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.

edit on 22-2-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

Easy to say if you haven't been accused or suspected of something that you did not do.

The person who has had their door broken down and their pets shot during a 'no-knock' search warrant..... when the cops had the wrong address, or an address provided by an informant that lied..... They would understand.

I'm sorry but how does that affect a national ID card in any way?

Even if your accused of doing something you didn't your still legally allowed to work in the country.

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.

edit on 22-2-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

Easy to say if you haven't been accused or suspected of something that you did not do.

The person who has had their door broken down and their pets shot during a 'no-knock' search warrant..... when the cops had the wrong address, or an address provided by an informant that lied..... They would understand.

I'm sorry but how does that affect a national ID card in any way?

Even if your accused of doing something you didn't your still legally allowed to work in the country.

Sorry, I was just referring to your analogy here...

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.

I wouldn't have commented on it if you hadn't used it.

Americans can't get jobs, have careers, or own homes now,

Their no longer part of their own country.

Deutsch Bank and Chinese firms own more American homes than Americans own.

I would love to see all forms of ID, including Credit cards all wrapped up into one piece of identification. It would make things much easier. When you pay for something you just swipe the card and choose which payment method it will be billed to. It includes your social security number, drivers license, passport.....everything.

Would make life a lot easier. Now if they could just wrap that into a bar code and implant it in your thumb that would be even better.

Originally posted by Hopechest
I would love to see all forms of ID, including Credit cards all wrapped up into one piece of identification. It would make things much easier. When you pay for something you just swipe the card and choose which payment method it will be billed to. It includes your social security number, drivers license, passport.....everything.

Would make life a lot easier. Now if they could just wrap that into a bar code and implant it in your thumb that would be even better.

If we had a National ID, it would make interstate concealed firearms carry a lot simpler.... oh, that is, if the anti-gun states didn't exist.

OH i can see the Mark of the beast posters lining up already. LOL. Seriously we already have a national ID card already.Its called the social security card. It can also be a drivers license or simple ID. Point is that a ID with your picture,and pertinent info is not the mark of the beast. Kind of hard to have a ID in your hand or in your head if its made of plastic and one and a half inches wide and 3 inches long dont ya think?

Originally posted by yuppa
OH i can see the Mark of the beast posters lining up already. LOL. Seriously we already have a national ID card already.Its called the social security card. It can also be a drivers license or simple ID. Point is that a ID with your picture,and pertinent info is not the mark of the beast. Kind of hard to have a ID in your hand or in your head if its made of plastic and one and a half inches wide and 3 inches long dont ya think?

Well my larger point was that one card for identification purposes, or something, would make life a bit easier in my opinion. I hate having to carry multiple things around since I tend to misplace things a lot.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.

edit on 22-2-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

I'd say everyone should be afraid of a national ID card. What is wrong with a birth certificate a green card or a work visa?

Once a national ID card is forced upon us it will become the only acceptable means of identification. Although, I suspect one will never be required for voting.

It won't be long before it evolves into an RFID tracking device - for your safety of course, embedded with all your medical data, to help the emergency personnel, link it to your bank account too - why not?

Eventually, some computer expert will make it (the military already has these) available for locking and unlocking your machine. Then all your anonymity on the internet will be tagged with your real ID.

A national ID is the beginning of the end of freedom. No thanks.

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by yuppa
OH i can see the Mark of the beast posters lining up already. LOL. Seriously we already have a national ID card already.Its called the social security card. It can also be a drivers license or simple ID. Point is that a ID with your picture,and pertinent info is not the mark of the beast. Kind of hard to have a ID in your hand or in your head if its made of plastic and one and a half inches wide and 3 inches long dont ya think?

Well my larger point was that one card for identification purposes, or something, would make life a bit easier in my opinion. I hate having to carry multiple things around since I tend to misplace things a lot.

Just a thought.

Here's a thought for you: It would also be easier for the Feds to track you, know every move you make, everything you buy, sell, type and then be able to call you a terrorist because you disagreed with them and lock your butt up without a trial. You would no longer have freedom of travel without road checks and if you are "deemed" not normal in any way you don't get a job, drivers license, or get to have children. They may even place you in a Fema camp to protect others. You had better read up on what this law means to us all.

NO BIG GOVERNMENT period.

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Hopechest
The only people that should be afraid of a National ID card are the ones who aren't able to work here legally in the first place.

Kind of like the only people worried about where cops are hiding on the freeway are the ones who are breaking the law.

edit on 22-2-2013 by Hopechest because: (no reason given)

Easy to say if you haven't been accused or suspected of something that you did not do.

The person who has had their door broken down and their pets shot during a 'no-knock' search warrant..... when the cops had the wrong address, or an address provided by an informant that lied..... They would understand.

I'm sorry but how does that affect a national ID card in any way?

Even if your accused of doing something you didn't your still legally allowed to work in the country.

Man... I wish I was one of these people still that is so niave they think nothing could happen to them as long as they are not breaking the law.

To bad I had that illusion smashed multiple times(each time was rather painful and involved alot of asfault), thankfuly, I never face actual prosecution due to false claims but there are many that do, you really have no idea until it happens to you.

You obviously have no idea what happens to your future employability when you have a felony on your record.


Further more what makes you think it will be the only form of ID?? Currently there are alot of places that require multiple forms of ID cards, no one said this is going to replace anything, it's "in addition to"

I would also like to mention the original intent of this post has nothing to do with "the mark of the beast" it has to do with a huge waste of money, not to draw out the 666ers

Originally posted by SSFlorida

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by yuppa
OH i can see the Mark of the beast posters lining up already. LOL. Seriously we already have a national ID card already.Its called the social security card. It can also be a drivers license or simple ID. Point is that a ID with your picture,and pertinent info is not the mark of the beast. Kind of hard to have a ID in your hand or in your head if its made of plastic and one and a half inches wide and 3 inches long dont ya think?

Well my larger point was that one card for identification purposes, or something, would make life a bit easier in my opinion. I hate having to carry multiple things around since I tend to misplace things a lot.

Just a thought.

Here's a thought for you: It would also be easier for the Feds to track you, know every move you make, everything you buy, sell, type and then be able to call you a terrorist because you disagreed with them and lock your butt up without a trial. You would no longer have freedom of travel without road checks and if you are "deemed" not normal in any way you don't get a job, drivers license, or get to have children. They may even place you in a Fema camp to protect others. You had better read up on what this law means to us all.

NO BIG GOVERNMENT period.

If the Federal Government actually thinks my life is interesting enough to pay people an annual salary to track my movements I would consider that a compliment.

It would be nice to be considered important enough to warrant the attention of a federal agency. If they are tracking me then I suppose there are tens of millions of "more important" people they are also tracking. Gosh I wonder how many people they are going to need on the payroll to track tens of millions of people.

Let's see, about 50k a year for a salary and probably two people to watch in detail everyone they are suspicious of...that comes too....hmmm I'm not good with math but I bet you its alot!

Sounds like a pretty good idea. I will support just about anything that furthers the creation of a one world government. I dont like the US as it, so i see not reason not to do this.

Originally posted by yuppa
Kind of hard to have a ID in your hand or in your head if its made of plastic and one and a half inches wide and 3 inches long dont ya think?