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You do realize half the items on that list contradict the other half?
In reality, all things are equal, but of course we have our own opinions and preferences, but is NOTICING that fact that makes you mature...
Let apply the idea of equality to real life. Give me examples of where people are are equal?
Where opinions and preferences are treated equally, in terms of their actual implementation in life?
Where rich and poor are treated equally?
Would you consider youself higher than a hobo in a street ally?
Would you consider yourself more wise than the average Ats poster?
There are no examples, because all IS equality. Opinions will say otherwise though as one/some qualities will be seen in the MIND to be superior to other quality(s).
Treated equally by whom? In reality, they are treated equal because they are all allowed to exist. Now, whether they are treated in such a way by others is a whole different story.
They both exist in the same way by reality. By humans, no, depending on the specific beliefs each person may have.
That's irrelevant. If I said "yes" or even "no" it would just be another opinion.
I am not denying that most people see certain qualities as higher than others, I'm simply saying that in REALITY they ARE all EQUAL and if they aren't seen as being equal by HUMANS and therefore are treating others unfairly, then that is a result of a person's action from OPINION/BELIEF. In reality all qualities just exist, none is "higher" or "lower" than any other.
Now, you can make an argument saying "is it really fair then if some beliefs and preferences are honored while others are not? ", I will say, the way humans respond to other humans, does not change the fact that in nature/reality all opinions are just existing, and if someone has an opinion against nature such as "I want to fly by just jumping in the air" you can say that this is inferior to something more aligned with nature/reality, but if that is the only inequality then it doesn't seem to be that major since all beliefs/opinions against what IS (Reality/Truth) is not fulfilled.
So, repeating what I said in a summary:
ALL lies, are equally unfulfilled as they did not happen in Reality/Truth/Past. So that is the equality.
ALL opinions/beliefs are equally respected being allowed to exist by Nature/Reality, but MAY be looked at differently by other humans. So that is the equality given from REALITY, but only from humans MINDS can it be seen differently.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Ok you saying its all opinion based. Lets take a scenario, two twins going for a swim and shark comes and grabs one. Who do you think is in a superior situation?
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
So lets go back to the scenario, and consider what you just said. So the Shark has one twin in his mouth and is being taken out to deep water. The twin is screaming back in terror to his terrified brother watching "help me i dont want to die like this". Your logic is saying that both the twin who is about to be ripped to bits and the one seeing his brother alive for last time are both equal; because the shark has been allowed by nature to exist!
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
So lets say the twins had exactly the same upbringings and beliefs, which and and just so happens that disallows them to interfere with nature. A boat moored a few metres away has a harpoon gun that gives the twin a chance to kill shark before it starts to chomp other twin.
So what belief is stronger now the one of loyalty and love to the brother or to the religion. He has to make a choice, and there can only be one choice which leads to distinctively different outcomes of life or death. So you telling me in this situation beliefs are equal? Would you say the same if it was your kids in that situation.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
No its not irrelevant. You are avoiding a straight forward question because it was too hard for you.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
In your OPINION do you have certain certain qualities than a Hobo?
In your BELIEF do you have certain certain qualities than the average Atser?
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
If people in general lived by your beliefs how often do you thinnk would their reality be fulfilled. 50% of time, 20%.....5% ?
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
So you happy to justify an argument that it doesnt matter if you tell truth or lie?
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
So if one of the twins is eaten by the shark you will rationalise the event as ok, because it played out within the rules of REALITY.
I would not be happy because my preference is to have more money.
I wouldn't know which argument I can make which would be "convincing" to God. I guess I would just say how I feel and if he ultimately wants to mess up my life by putting me in the poor class then I would just be miserable. Still doesn't change the fact that it was just my preference.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
So you happy to justify an argument that it doesnt matter if you tell truth or lie?
Matter to whom? To the person you are lying to and the others who may be affected by the lie? Maybe...
Personally, I would stay away from lies because I will be the one suffering in the end by guilt/compassion if it leads to the suffering of another, and plus lies are just too difficult to remember. It is basically making up a story, there is freedom in telling the truth, then you won't have to memorize which lies you told to which person.
Yes, to most people, money is important as there is false to live under such a system, but in reality is just paper, and to forget that is to believe the dream to be real.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
problem with that logic is that you are measuring true/false based on your own opinion. When you start using your version of true and false against another person you can start damaging them because they have a different measuring stick of opinions/beliefs.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
In other words your deciding whats best for them, isnt that like playing big brother....? I see your belief systems and opinions having parallels to totalium government controlled societies. I will decide what is a lie or truth and waht is best for you.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
So what is the higher Reality/dream,...Natures equality or Humans personal beliefs? Which side of the force do you sit with?
I am not "measuring" truth or falseness. It is what it is, and that is what I will tell (truth). It doesn't matter what their opinion/beliefs are. Reality is what is it.
By seeing what is there, and understanding the difference between what is seen (reality/truth) and the opinion/perspective of it (mind/belief)
My OPINION can be that reality is unconditional love or hate, but no matter what OPINION I may have, that does not change the MECHANICS of reality (how it OPERATES) - and it will be my OPINION whether I see its functioning as love or hate or whatever...
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Your blinded by your own great views, no matter how you want to cut your argument every decision you make boils down to you own OPINION.