Curiosity/MSL: My take on the discoveries at GALE CRATER so far (video), page 2


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reply posted on 25-2-2013 @ 03:31 PM by ArMaP
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

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I am going to look at this more in detail (I watched the video yesterday ) now, as I didn't have the time during the weekend (too much work ).

I will try to get an idea of the whole area, including sizes and distances.

I will see what I can find.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



reply posted on 25-2-2013 @ 05:05 PM by jeep3r
Originally posted by ArMaP
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I am going to look at this more in detail (I watched the video yesterday ) now, as I didn't have the time during the weekend (too much work ).
I will try to get an idea of the whole area, including sizes and distances.
I will see what I can find.


Thanks a lot, ArMaP!

A critical view from someone else would indeed be helpful in this case. I'm quite confident that I got the positions/locations more or less right on the map. In any case, I very much look forward to your take on this ...


reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 10:19 AM by KoolerKing
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interesting thread. i can't believe that guy is still beating the dead horse.


reply posted on 1-3-2013 @ 04:39 PM by jeep3r
Originally posted by ArMaP
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I am going to look at this more in detail (...)
I will try to get an idea of the whole area, including sizes and distances.

I will see what I can find.


Hey there, ArMaP!

Just wanted to check back whether you already found something regarding Curiosity's traverse-path. On the other hand, it may take some time to get a good and detailed overview of the overall situation including all the material available at NASA/JPL.

Apart from that, I also noticed that you're quite busy moderating and can imagine that you didn't get to look into this as of yet. But I'm still curious concerning your opinion on this ... thanks in advance!
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reply posted on 1-3-2013 @ 06:31 PM by ArMaP
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This week has been too busy, but I think I can get some time this weekend and, if I do, I will post my findings.

For now, I can only say that I am a little (well, more than just a little ) sceptical about your interpretation, so I am trying to see if there are other photos from different angles that may give us a different perspective.



reply posted on 2-3-2013 @ 12:40 AM by jeep3r
Originally posted by ArMaP
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This week has been too busy, but I think I can get some time this weekend and, if I do, I will post my findings.

For now, I can only say that I am a little (well, more than just a little ) sceptical about your interpretation, so I am trying to see if there are other photos from different angles that may give us a different perspective.

Thanks for the quick reply and no worries: I don't expect anyone to actually 'buy' into this!

I'm quite sceptical myself and the interpretation really seems to be far-fetched, but I just couldn't resist the gut feeling in the light of those 'formations' that do seem to share some common features.

If it wasn't for that, and all the other scrap lying around (making Rocknest look like a junkyard), it would be easier to just move on and not think about it any further.
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reply posted on 1-4-2013 @ 07:31 AM by jeep3r
Time for a quick update in this thread:

My previous scale estimations
(see here) may not have been as accurate as I thought they would be. After looking through MSL images from other Sols, I noticed that the point of reference ("Edgy Hill Landmark") may as well be the landmark which had been coined "POINT LAKE" by NASA/JPL.

I also checked the original panorama released by NASA/JPL in November 2012 (see here) and think their description would fit to the location names both on the maps and in the terrain. Below is a projection of the probable area-tags onto the Sol 64 panorama that shows POINT LAKE as a distinct rock formation roughly resembling a cliff or embankment:


And the same view with 'more context':
Click here for a larger version of the image above.

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And for comparison, here goes Curiosity's traverse path through Sol 130:

Click here for the full-size image of the traverse path provided by NASA/JPL.
And here goes another link to a route-map on UMSF.


When taking all this into account, Curiosity was probably much closer to POINT LAKE than I initially thought while the Rocknest panorama had been acquired during Sols 64-72 (click here for the panorama on Gigapan). This also means, that the intriguing 'rock formations' (or ship anomalies) that I located in that area would be much smaller than previously estimated.

But independent of the actual scale, I still think those features or formations are difficult to explain (eg. as ventifacts), because of their geometrical alignment and a variety of similar shapes, angles and other features that are not only found in this area, but in many places across POINT LAKE, ROCKNEST and SHALER.

If anyone can confirm these location or area tags, please let me know. Or in case you have explanations for any of those peculiar formations (for example this), I'd be happy to discuss this more in detail ...

... and I promise to keep an open mind!



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reply posted on 1-4-2013 @ 08:22 AM by Blister
Hey jeep3r,

It is always interesting to read your posts.

It is always with a healthy dose of skeptism that I read and look, wondering what on earth you are seeing. The nice patterns and colors you use always get me wondering....

I do believe that you are more right than most people give you credit for. I do however, feel that you are so intent upon looking at what I may describe as the " Micro-level" findings (such as obvious flood/mud debris from some cataclysm) yet fail to see what is staring you in the face at a greater level, or Macro-level..

For example, paying total attention to Curiosity ignores the great recent pictures coming from Opportunity:

marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...

At the top-left, the viewer can see a fantastic, weather beaten remains of some sort of container. Whatever it was is long since (whatever cataclysm that which occurred) been destroyed, almost to the point of non-recognition. Yet, the clear, and typical, outline of a hollow-walled container (though seriously damaged) remain.

On the other hand, at the macro-level, as one reader had observed, NASA/JPL/MSL has rarely taken 100mm pictures of the area to which Curiosity is headed, There are panoramic pictures available, though almost all these are using the lower resolution camera. NASA appears unwilling to use the 100mm to its full potential.... have you ever wondered why? The answers will become clear should Curiosity reach its destination over the next 2+ years:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Regardless, we think you are so close to breaking the case and always enjoy your posts

Keep up the great work! S&F
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